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CommodoreKong

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Also there's the added complication of the human baby going from a human to a Bajoran surrogate.
I'm sure Bashir points out at some point that in a Bajoran womb rather than just connected to the mother with an umbilical cord the baby is connected by a massively complex system of nerves.

So there would definitely be some element of freak out.

I'm sure there's so much weird medical knowledge about each race like the difference between Bajoran and Human pregnacies that you would almost need to have an EMH since a doctor can't be an expert in every race. Just hope you don't have an emergency and get a doctor who's never had to do anything with your race, they'll have to quickly read up on the biological differences before treatment.
 

firehawk12

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But there's also the thing where most humanoid life forms in the galaxy were seeded by the same race of aliens so there's some genetic connection between everyone anyway. Even the humanoid Dinosaurs that moved to the Delta Quadrant. lol
 

weemadarthur

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I'm sure there's so much weird medical knowledge about each race like the difference between Bajoran and Human pregnacies that you would almost need to have an EMH since a doctor can't be an expert in every race. Just hope you don't have an emergency and get a doctor who's never had to do anything with your race, they'll have to quickly read up on the biological differences before treatment.
Yes, they do that. Every time a new species is hosted on the Enterprise or DS9, the chief medical officer reviews the med files on them. And also the tricorder says what to do, it's how Worf managed to deliver a baby.
 

Quinton

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Looks like both Discovery and Picard are going to have a panel at NYCC, just as they had at SDCC. I'm guessing we'll be getting premiere dates for both next month as a result. And no doubt for the six Short Treks as well, considering when they were announced at SDCC in July they said "Starting this fall."

My not-at-all-scientific rough guesses for everything:

1st new Short Trek: October
2nd new Short Trek: November
3rd new Short Trek: December
4th new Short Trek: January
5th new Short Trek: February
6th new Short Trek: March

Picard S1: March through May

Discovery S3: June through August

It's entirely possible Discovery doesn't get a premiere date but we'll see. I'd also love to be mistaken in my estimates (in a good way) so that we get Picard earlier but the fact that filming just recently finished suggests otherwise.
 

Spectromixer

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Discovery is after Picard though so it has to be around Summer and then Section 31 is happening after Discovery season 3.
 

BrokenFiction

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Wow this blew up yesterday.



Author Walter Mosley penned an op-ed for The New York Times, published on Friday, in which he revealed that he quit his job as a writer on a television series after he was "chastised" by human resources for using the N-word on the job.

Although Mosley, who is black, did not reveal which show he departed, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that it was CBS All Access' Star Trek: Discovery. That series, renewed in February for its third season with its third showrunner, has experienced serious issues of abusive language in its writers room in the past.
 

Night Hunter

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I watched the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind just now and it was great. A tribute to the greatest Trek show with by far the strongest cast in my opinion.

I especially liked the bit of self criticism towards the end where Ira Steven Behr admitted that they could have done much more exploring sexual identity outside of the one Dax episode. And everyone being pretty much clear about Garak being gay.
 

Quinton

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I watched the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind just now and it was great. A tribute to the greatest Trek show with by far the strongest cast in my opinion.

I especially liked the bit of self criticism towards the end where Ira Steven Behr admitted that they could have done much more exploring sexual identity outside of the one Dax episode. And everyone being pretty much clear about Garak being gay.

DS9's cast is unparalleled. It's probably my favorite cast in television history.
 

Quinton

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The supporting cast especially. It's strange because ST shows never had much in the way of supporting cast before (or after), so for them to knock it out of the park the way they did is simply amazing.

Garak. Dukat. Weyoun. Ziyal. Martok. Nog. Rom. Winn. Damar. Eddington. Kasidy. Keiko. Molly. Leeta. The Female Changeling. Shakar. Bareil. Gowron. Sloan. Vic. Ross. Cretak. Joseph. Zek. Brunt. Ishka.

Just off the top of my head. Not all of them were winners, but the majority were at least decent and a good few of those were fantastic.

What a cast.
 

Lagamorph

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I'd have been so happy if all of the Vic Fontain stuff had been completely dropped though.
 

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Pluto

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The supporting cast especially. It's strange because ST shows never had much in the way of supporting cast before (or after), so for them to knock it out of the park the way they did is simply amazing.
TOS had Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, Chapel, Rand etc., people often forget that TOS only had three main cast members, Kirk, Spock and starting with season 2 McCoy.

You think Vic Fontaine and the 60s casino was worse than the Irish village?
You can skip the two irish village episodes, you can't skip Vic without missing some important character development for the main cast. So yeah, Vic was worse.
 

butalala

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In my eyes having the casino holosuite program be essential to the character growth for a number of characters is actually better.
 

Var

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I liked the Vic episodes quite a bit. They were more enjoyable than the Bashir holo episodes at least.
 

StallionDan

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Vic episodes are awful. God damn that Ocean's 11 episode. Only good thing about it was when Sisko called out its rewriting of history and ignoring the racism.
 
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I like the DS9 Casino heist episode. The Voyager Irish village episodes are probably the only ones I've never seen again after their original airing.
 

weemadarthur

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Paper Moon was an excellent vic episode, so I can forgive him for existing. The heist episode was pretty silly to stick in the final season when the real story needed more development though.
 

chrominance

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Paper Moon was an excellent vic episode, so I can forgive him for existing. The heist episode was pretty silly to stick in the final season when the real story needed more development though.

Basically my thoughts except I never actually saw the heist episode because by that point my DS9 watching was sporadic at best. In general, I don't really get what Vic was supposed to do on the show and I worry that it was just to fill a quota of lighthearted/holodeck episodes.
 

weemadarthur

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Basically my thoughts except I never actually saw the heist episode because by that point my DS9 watching was sporadic at best. In general, I don't really get what Vic was supposed to do on the show and I worry that it was just to fill a quota of lighthearted/holodeck episodes.
Most likely, budget constraints lol. Built-in bottle episodes, plus if he's singing, nobody gotta write dialogue.
 

Poodlestrike

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Didn't Voyager have an escaped Hologram Da Vinci driving an episode?

Ugh.

I didn't hate the Vic stuff, honestly. Nog's episode was actually strong, if only for the character development, and there's standout moments in the rest of 'em. Plus, DS9 gave us Our Man Bashir, which might be the only truly great holo episode?
 
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Didn't Voyager have an escaped Hologram Da Vinci driving an episode?

Ugh.

I didn't hate the Vic stuff, honestly. Nog's episode was actually strong, if only for the character development, and there's standout moments in the rest of 'em. Plus, DS9 gave us Our Man Bashir, which might be the only truly great holo episode?

Worst Case Scenario is a legit great holodeck episode.
 

Alexandros

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When I was a kid I couldn't wait until Sunday when a new Episode of TNG would come on. I was devastated each time I realized I was in for a holodeck episode.

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Lagamorph

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Yeah I can't think of a single decent Holodeck episode in TNG off the top of my head.
 

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I think theres some OK ones in TNG. Barclay's holo addiction while played for laughs at time was interesting. Both the Moriarty episodes are good. Picard using his Dixon Hill program was fine.

You could possibly even count the Riker episode where he's supposedly in the future and lost his memory as an advanced alien holodeck episode.
 

StallionDan

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Just gonna quote my breakdown of holodeck episodes.

So rating Holodeck episodes, gonna just lump them in either good, middle or bad. Only gonna list episodes were it is the main focus of problems or drama, and not just spending time on it, so all the little bits of Captain Proton here and there won't count, but something like Bride of Chaotica does. Stuff like the Baseball episode isn't about the holosuite either, they just use it a lot.

The Good
TNG - Elementary, Dear Data - The Moriarty episode, only complaint is it's a bit silly how easy the ship created an actual AI.
TNG - Hollow Pursuits - Barclay is addicted to fantasies in the holodeck, including recreations of other officers. We find out is no actual regulation against it. I guess the rules are slow to catch up with new tech, like today.
TNG - A Fistful of Datas - Data takes over Wild West characters giving them his abilities, Worf and Troi are trapped.
TNG - Ship in a Bottle - Moriarty part 2, not as good but still good.
DS9 - Our Man Bashir - Bashir and Garak in James Bond Rip off.
STV - Projections - Doc trapped on holodeck, begins to think he is real.
STV - Worst Case Scenario - B'Elanna discovers a Marquis mutiny program. Great episode.
STV - The Killing Game parts 1+2 - Hirogen take over the ship and hunt the crew in WW2.
STV - Nothing Human - Recreation of a Cardassian doctor is needed to help B'Elanna, but he commited horrific crimes to gain his knowledge.
STV - Bride of Chaotica - Real aliens invade the Captain Proton simulation. Fantastic episode.
STV - Pathfinder - Barclay back at it, recreating Voyager this time.
STV - Spirit Folk - Fair Haven malfunctions and characters realise crew not who they say they are. It's a fun light-hearted episode.
STV - Flesh and Blood parts 1+2 - Hirogen at war with escaped holocharacters.
STV - Human Error - Seven uses holodeck to fantasize about dating.

The Middle
TNG - 11001001
- More of a B part of the story, Riker creates a woman for some fun and plays the trombone.
DS9 - It's Only a Paper Moon - Nog hides in the holosuite to deal with losing a leg. Boring personally.
DS9 - Badda Bing Badda Bang - The Vic Ocean's 13 episode. I find it stupid.
STV - Heroes and Demons - Doctor has to play hero in a Beowulf story to save the crew.
STV - Real Life - Doctor creates holofamily.
STV - Extreme Risk - B'Elanna does dangerous stuff on holodeck to deal with all her Marquis friends being killed by The Dominion.

The Bad
TNG - The Big Goodbye - First holodeck episode. Picard plays old timey PI and is amazed at how the holodeck is so real. Kinda boring and doesn't quite get how holodecks work right compared to later episodes (the characters can leave the holodeck for a short period, other transfers like lipstick remain).
TNG - Manhunt - Troi's mum, more Picard PI.
TNG - Booby Trap - Geordi romances a holodeck character based on a real person.
DS9 - His Way - Enter Vic. The Odo/Kira get together episode.
STV - Alter Ego - Harry and Tuvok both become interested in a holodeck character.
STV - Once Upon a Time - The Wizard of Oz type thing with Naomi Wildman.
STV - Fair Haven - Janeway and the Irish Pub owner.


Was a few episodes I was unsure to count, like the Da Vinci episode on the planet, or the evil Barclay program one. Those are more characters than the holodeck itself, but they still from it just that the mobile emitter lets them loose. They both good episodes imo.