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Happenstance

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Oct 25, 2017
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Considering he had a panic attack about getting back into acting, from the small amount of footage we've seen Frakes seems to have slipped back into his old Trek role the most smoothly. I just immediately felt like I was watching Will Ruler again.
 

Quinton

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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The Research Triangle
The fact that Discovery is less "Star Trek" than ever before and more "Generic dystopian sci-fi show #6497"
Ahh, okay.

Release dates for other short treks are out

HOT DAMN, TWO SHORT TREKS WITHIN LESS THAN A WEEK OF EACH OTHER. That's badass.

Great-looking Short Treks, the chance that the third season will be Discovery's best yet, and of course Picard most of all. We are spoiled.

This is going to be awful.
I have no doubt that you'll feel that way, but I think I'll enjoy it.
 
Jan 29, 2018
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Fucks sake.

So much for "We'll do better" and "We will respect canon this time".
Discovery continues to more than rightfully earn it's place as the worst Trek series and the writers continue to prove they don't understand the first thing about what makes Star Trek special.

They better undo this by the end of the season and show this was basically an incorrect future caused by someone messing with the timeline and they restore the actual correct timeline, ala Enterprise when Archer is removed from the timeline and it temporarily screws the 31st Century until they correct the mistake.
I'm pretty sure 930 years puts them beyond anything Enterprise talked about. But even if it didn't, I'd take ignoring the Temporal Cold War stuff over respecting canon every time.
 
Jan 29, 2018
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It takes them barely a century past the future Federation Daniel's came from, which was in more than good condition.
A lot can happen in a century. I don't see how you can say anything in that one minute trailer breaks canon.

Anyway everything they showed today looks great. Glad we have a solid date for Picard. Hopefully we don't have to wait all the way until the very end of 2020 for Disco Season 3 because that looks great too.
 

chrominance

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Oct 25, 2017
2,817
Still skeptical of Discovery, I keep waiting for the moment where I think "they've finally figured it out!" and it hasn't come yet. Sonequa has some FUCKING AWESOME hairstyles in that year montage, though.

Also a bit skeptical of Picard but it feels like there's a lot of potential. Or maybe that's just the rose-tinted glasses from returning friends. (Are they really flying an ancient Bird of Prey?)
 

Lagamorph

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Oct 26, 2017
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Pissed about canon 130 years after any canon has been written.
Honestly, I could live with that.

The biggest issue is taking Star Trek and turning it into yet another fucking dystopian sci-fi drama where the future is bleak and hopeless. Even worse it's literally just an Andromed rip off.

Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, about showing that the future can be better, that people can come together and get past their differences, work towards a better future for everyone. Not about how fucking awful the future will be.

I mean this is what was said about Discovery Season 3 barely 2 weeks ago,
“I can tell you this much about season three of Discovery: It is in fact much more optimistic,” Frakes said. “They’ve gotten themselves out of the Mirror Universe... After Gene died, some of the writers decided that Deep Space Nine should maybe take a different tone, which, I think, it did to certain degrees of success. The optimism that Gene infused in all of his shows and in all of us may not be as obvious as it once was, but it’s certainly the driving force of his vision and the franchise and [Alex] Kurtzman and all the people who run our shows are very conscious that that canon is important to all of you and all of us. JJ [Abram]’s movies, I thought, were very uplifting and wonderfully told stories. There needs to be conflict to make drama. So I’m here to share that Discovery certainly is taking a more optimistic, traditional Star Trek approach in next season.”

That trailer was the exact opposite of that.
 

Joeytj

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Oct 30, 2017
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Honestly, I could live with that.

The biggest issue is taking Star Trek and turning it into yet another fucking dystopian sci-fi drama where the future is bleak and hopeless. Even worse it's literally just an Andromed rip off.

Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, about showing that the future can be better, that people can come together and get past their differences, work towards a better future for everyone. Not about how fucking awful the future will be.

I mean this is what was said about Discovery Season 3 barely 2 weeks ago,
“I can tell you this much about season three of Discovery: It is in fact much more optimistic,” Frakes said. “They’ve gotten themselves out of the Mirror Universe... After Gene died, some of the writers decided that Deep Space Nine should maybe take a different tone, which, I think, it did to certain degrees of success. The optimism that Gene infused in all of his shows and in all of us may not be as obvious as it once was, but it’s certainly the driving force of his vision and the franchise and [Alex] Kurtzman and all the people who run our shows are very conscious that that canon is important to all of you and all of us. JJ [Abram]’s movies, I thought, were very uplifting and wonderfully told stories. There needs to be conflict to make drama. So I’m here to share that Discovery certainly is taking a more optimistic, traditional Star Trek approach in next season.”

That trailer was the exact opposite of that.
Which just means the trailer is not reflective of what others have said the season is really about. Just meant to attract a more casual audience, probably.

I haven't seen the damn trailer though, because CBS keeps region locking these things!
 

Kzinti

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Oct 27, 2017
437
this looks even better than season 2

OMG Cardassian!

hmm sooner that i expected.
the old tos romulan bop is out of place they should have used the enterprise version
it would appear that riker isn't a captain anymore

This is going to be awful.
lol you find everything that's not TOS/TNG awful so whatever
 

Kzinti

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Oct 27, 2017
437
This is probably a relic that’s survived and is in use by some faction
oh it's not the usage i'm iffy about cause like you said it makes total sense for the resource strapped rom to use older design my ''problem'' is that enterprise had an updated and in my opinion better model for it not that it matters of course since the basic shape is pretty much the same i'm just nitpicking lol
 

chrominance

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Oct 25, 2017
2,817
Oh, is that not Picard's ship? I assumed it was an old relic he'd bought off a black market for cheap or something.
 

chrominance

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Oct 25, 2017
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According to the Crave Twitter account, the new Short Trek is up, but for some reason it tells me parental controls have locked out that content despite me never once touching the parental controls and despite the fact that my only Crave profile shows up as "adult" with no restrictions. So Crave continues to be a shitshow and a half. Christ.

EDIT: got it fixed, now I think maybe I shouldn't have bothered
 
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firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
6,496
My only thing with Discovery is why would anyone be able to understand each other after a thousand years of linguistic evolution, particularly if future society has collapsed and presumably universal translation of thousand year old languages is not something you’d design into a computer. But you know. lol

The Picard thing is whatever. It’s nostalgia and action scenes, which I guess why not. Maybe they’ll make a Nemesis reference and let him drive a dune buggy again.
 

butalala

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Nov 24, 2017
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Yeah they haven't shown us any 24th century Starfleet ships yet. Honestly 20 years post Nemesis it wouldn't be too weird for the fleet to look almost the same, but I suspect they'll update some designs in ways that'll piss some people off.
Oh they're definitely going to piss people off. It doesn't matter what they do. There's no way to avoid pissing off star trek fans.
 

Teiresias

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Oct 27, 2017
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I put even odds on one of the Trill they meet being Dax. I don't think we ever got a definitive max lifespan of the symbiote, but not like you can't fudge it anyway.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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My only thing with Discovery is why would anyone be able to understand each other after a thousand years of linguistic evolution, particularly if future society has collapsed and presumably universal translation of thousand year old languages is not something you’d design into a computer. But you know. lol

The Picard thing is whatever. It’s nostalgia and action scenes, which I guess why not. Maybe they’ll make a Nemesis reference and let him drive a dune buggy again.
Enterprise showed that the Federation was still around 130 years before Discovery so English should still be around.
 

weemadarthur

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Oct 25, 2017
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My only thing with Discovery is why would anyone be able to understand each other after a thousand years of linguistic evolution, particularly if future society has collapsed and presumably universal translation of thousand year old languages is not something you’d design into a computer. But you know. lol
The linguistic program worked with all kinds of predictive algorithms designed mostly by Hoshi. And it was built into all computers. No reason why it couldn’t reconstruct its own root language.
 

Kai Dracon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Rita Repulsa's Moon Palace
You know, it strikes me that when Daniels took Archer to the future, he referred to a Federation symbol as a memorial to an important organization.

Now, when Enterprise was originally created, I imagine the writers meant to imply that Daniels was from whatever replaced the Federation as an even bigger and better alliance of civilizations. But funny how that could be hooked into as a suggestion that the Federation fell and is remembered by a few civilized worlds that still agree with its ideals.

And it works with the conversation in the new teaser. The official who had a Federation flag looked as if he was on an advanced world. Makes me wonder if it could even be Earth, which is doing well on the whole, but no longer allied with any other polities.
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
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Enterprise showed that the Federation was still around 130 years before Discovery so English should still be around.
I mean, I know the real answer is that it's a TV show and it has to be understandable to Americans. lol

At least the Expanse tried with its future space-patois/cajun language, although I think it gave up after one or two seasons and just switched to normal English.

The linguistic program worked with all kinds of predictive algorithms designed mostly by Hoshi. And it was built into all computers. No reason why it couldn’t reconstruct its own root language.
I mean... I've never actually tried it, but I assume if you typed Old or Middle English into Google, it would either bring up Beowulf/Chaucer or have absolutely no fucking idea what you were talking about. Then there is the fact that there are just new worlds being invented all the time, so even if there was a way to translate from modern English to Old English, how would you translate words like "Computer" or "Emoji" or "Quark" or other concepts that simply didn't exist a thousand years ago?

I think humans didn't even understand that there were atomic particles back then, and definitely not subatomic particles. What would a universal translator even turn that into? Think about if you were born in 1019 and were suddenly in 2019 and tried to talk to people, or people tried to talk to you. Even if we could understand each other, the ideas simply wouldn't make sense.

But yes, there's no real answer to this and it's more of a silly question... but hopefully the writers just write something to explain it, the same way they tried to explain why people didn't use holograms for 200 years after Discovery.

There's also other fun things to think about, like whether or not Discovery brings a virus to the future that causes a plague. The same way that if someone from the past suddenly showed up in our time, they could bring diseases with them that we're simply not prepared for and have no idea how to cure/treat. It's actually an interesting problem and they could do things with a thousand year time jump that is more than what they showed in the trailer clip anyway.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's also other fun things to think about, like whether or not Discovery brings a virus to the future that causes a plague. The same way that if someone from the past suddenly showed up in our time, they could bring diseases with them that we're simply not prepared for and have no idea how to cure/treat. It's actually an interesting problem and they could do things with a thousand year time jump that is more than what they showed in the trailer clip anyway.
I want to say is an episode that sort of does this, someone from the past has an illness and a doctor cannot treat it as it was irradicated long ago and the treatment isn't immediately available.

I want to say maybe a TNG episode, but my memory of it is really faint.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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In other good Trek news, Axanar started filming 2 days ago.

Aside the lawsuit, the reason for the long delay was mainly actor scheduling.
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
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In other good Trek news, Axanar started filming 2 days ago.

Aside the lawsuit, the reason for the long delay was mainly actor scheduling.
There's been SOOOO much internal bullshit with Axanar that I'm actually surprised, assuming they're not just saying they're making something.

I want to say is an episode that sort of does this, someone from the past has an illness and a doctor cannot treat it as it was irradicated long ago and the treatment isn't immediately available.

I want to say maybe a TNG episode, but my memory of it is really faint.
Hrm... like a time travel episode or something? On the one hand I can see that being an episode, on the other hand none comes to mind. lol
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's been SOOOO much internal bullshit with Axanar that I'm actually surprised, assuming they're not just saying they're making something.
I'm not aware of any internal bullshit, but the haters are worse than the STD cancelled theorists in the bullshit they make up (it hilarious the parallel of fans of one fan made Trek series making up BS about another Trek fan film the way they do with the official shows).

Hrm... like a time travel episode or something? On the one hand I can see that being an episode, on the other hand none comes to mind. lol
I want to say it someone from the past found or travelled to the future. Possible the one TNG where they find frozen people.
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
6,496
I'm not aware of any internal bullshit, but the haters are worse than the STD cancelled theorists in the bullshit they make up (it hilarious the parallel of fans of one fan made Trek series making up BS about another Trek fan film the way they do with the official shows).
There have been several lawsuits between the people running the show at the very least, even if you ignore the stories about what has happened to the money.
It's just a very weird thing that went from feel good story to souring the community.

(I still think the original Axanar short is pretty cool, for what that's worth)
 

EvilRedEye

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Oct 29, 2017
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I'm a stickler for canon but I don't really care it turns out the Federation collapses implausibly quickly, to be honest. I mean from what we've seen of the 29th Century it seems pretty implausible the Federation would collapse at all. There's no real way of meshing the 29th Century Federation that was only really briefly sketched out previously and only really included in canon in the context of providing a kind of Federation Time Police with the collapsed Federation that an entire season (or maybe more) of this show will be revolving around. I'm happy to chalk this one up as 'it's just a story, don't take it too seriously' as long as they appropriately gloss over the relevant details.

Very excited for both Discovery Season 3 and Picard!
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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good news? lol i'm sorry but the whole project was a scam to create a for profit studio on the back of a ip/fandom, alec peters is shady as fuck also the dude is currently in breach of settlement so fuck him
You've been reading the BS haters spew. Ares studio has its own fundraiding seperate from Axanar and it is made clear it is for use for other things also. The studio funded by the Axanar kickstarter is not that studio, that was abandoned at quite a loss due to the lawsuit halting productions.

Also well done for linking to a hate site.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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hate site? I've checked and there's nothing racist or xenophobic about it???
It's set up for purely anti-axanar news and this is the sort of shit you get on their Facebook page, Jonathan Lane works on Axanar. Carlos Pedraza runs Axamonitor.



Yep, they going after Lane's wife for harassment. Axamonitor encourage it.