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chrominance

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Oct 25, 2017
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Funny enough I find such a position on a ship lost in deep space very important.
Oh, an ACTUAL morale officer with mental health credentials would probably be a good thing to have. A random alien you picked up on the way to getting stranded? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh.

(I'm only half-serious, in an actual stranded-in-the-Delta-Quadrant situation I'm sure you'd take all the help you could get, but you probably also wouldn't have 400 shuttles and an unlimited supply of photon torpedoes, so let's just say I don't think the show did a great job of justifying Neelix's importance and leave it at that)
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh, an ACTUAL morale officer with mental health credentials would probably be a good thing to have. A random alien you picked up on the way to getting stranded? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh.

(I'm only half-serious, in an actual stranded-in-the-Delta-Quadrant situation I'm sure you'd take all the help you could get, but you probably also wouldn't have 400 shuttles and an unlimited supply of photon torpedoes, so let's just say I don't think the show did a great job of justifying Neelix's importance and leave it at that)
20 years of the stupid shuttle and torpedo comments.

We literally see them build a shuttle in a week and trade and even search for their own supplies for new resources. It's on the screen, it's not like some mystery unanswered question.
 

weemadarthur

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Oct 25, 2017
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OK, but at the same time they can replicate shuttle parts, we see on screen that they can’t replicate anything and are heavily rationed. So it contradicts itself. That’s worth making fun of.
 
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the only time heavy rations comes up is when they aren't in friendly areas or haven't seen a planet that's advanced enough to provide them with supplies.
 

chrominance

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20 years of the stupid shuttle and torpedo comments.

We literally see them build a shuttle in a week and trade and even search for their own supplies for new resources. It's on the screen, it's not like some mystery unanswered question.
I'm not saying they never do this, I'm saying that whatever it is they're doing isn't really that different from normal operations in the Federation proper, aside from a few episodes that are among my favourite Voyager episodes (Year of Hell, anyone?). The Equinox had to sell their souls to stay afloat; granted, it was a smaller and less capable ship, but it's an issue that rarely comes up in Voyager.

Anyways, my point was that the show didn't really sell the whole survival angle very much, which meant Neelix becoming the chef and morale officer less about the ship's needs and more about Neelix's need to feel like he contributes to the ship and isn't just a freeloader.

To be fair, I think there were a few episodes that tried to treat Neelix's morale officer duties as more than light comic relief.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Neelix being chef was a need, a lot of Voyagers food was grown, found on planets or traded for, so obviously someone needed prepare meals from it.

Just a little error, in one DS9 episode they are on an Intrepid class ship and it has a kitchen area in the mess hall. This is an error as that area should be the Captains private dining area, Voyager's was converted due to need. I assume they just reused sets.
 

Catsygreen

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Nov 1, 2017
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This Tuvix thing is an example of what Discovery lacks. 20 years give or take after the episode aired we're still debating the core philosophical issue. Who will be talking about any Discovery episode we've seen so far after twenty years?
I have the same feeling, I barely remember any episodes of Discovery individually. Seeing Voyager again now confirms this idea and it's much better than I thought. I really hope Picard will come back to that old Trek feeling.
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have the same feeling, I barely remember any episodes of Discovery individually. Seeing Voyager again now confirms this idea and it's much better than I thought. I really hope Picard will come back to that old Trek feeling.
The fact that it's a serialized miniseries means it probably won't be.

That's not to say that it couldn't be... but they are clearly going more for Star Trek Insurrection than they are All Good Things. lol
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Picard gonna be like STD only without all the screwing up of canon (though I bet they reference/ignore something wrong). My one hope is Patrick Stewart and to a lesser extent other returning Trek cast not joining in on STDs "It's the power of math" bullshit. Patrick Stewart elevates TNG so much.

I'm also weirdly hyped for the return of RomBops.
 

Catsygreen

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Nov 1, 2017
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The fact that it's a serialized miniseries means it probably won't be.

That's not to say that it couldn't be... but they are clearly going more for Star Trek Insurrection than they are All Good Things. lol
At least they should keep the TNG spirit if we can' t have the original format.
But that is not a reason to make it a kind of convention with the old actors. The good news is that we are moving forward into the future, thank God, I can't take it any more prequel.

I dunno. The episode with Pike and the time crystal was pretty good.
I would have preferred an reverse tachyon beam rather than a Time Crystal-based plot.
 

JonnyDBrit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Reminder that Time Crystals are an actual thing, even if how they're used beyond their first appearance doesn't line up with the real world inspiration.
 
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I did like the tiny call back to Janeway and the Klingon time travel device in Endgame, although I don't know if it was intentional lol Probably not
 

Catsygreen

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Nov 1, 2017
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Reminder that Time Crystals are an actual thing, even if how they're used beyond their first appearance doesn't line up with the real world inspiration.
I don't deny their scientific existence (even if, as you said, that's not exactly what it is), but the way they are presented bothers me a little: arranged like mushrooms on rock. "Touch the magic crystal and you'll see the future."
 

JonnyDBrit

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I don't deny their scientific existence (even if, as you said, that's not exactly what it is), but the way they are presented bothers me a little: arranged like mushrooms on rock. "Touch the magic crystal and you'll see the future."
Hence the latter part of my post.

I'm actually curious if the writers in season 2 thought they were something that had been created for the franchise. Because their first appearance is very much an exaggeration of their actual properties - existing in a constant loop and all - and in that individual episode, you do half suspect it's just meant to be some particle that Mudd is carrying in his gadget, not some priceless gem you'd have to smuggle out of the most sacred Klingon monastery.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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It kinda hilarious it is so out of whack with the rest of the shows they have to try and say this.

That top reply made me chuckle.

 

butalala

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Nov 24, 2017
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I just watched the first DS9 mirror universe episode. Absolutely brilliant, even if it is campy. I wonder what a TNG Mirror Mirror sequel would have been like. I'm torn- on the one hand I'd like to see it, but I'm also so happy with the DS9 mirror story line that I wouldn't want a TNG episode to come first and change things.
 
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The Ocean
I just watched the first DS9 mirror universe episode. Absolutely brilliant, even if it is campy. I wonder what a TNG Mirror Mirror sequel would have been like. I'm torn- on the one hand I'd like to see it, but I'm also so happy with the DS9 mirror story line that I wouldn't want a TNG episode to come first and change things.
I could get behind an animated mirror TNG one shot
 

butalala

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Nov 24, 2017
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Oh that's a great idea! I think it would be best if it was a completely in-mirror universe episode, as in Enterprise, rather than a cross over.
 

JonnyDBrit

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Oct 25, 2017
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This will serve as the fourth movie in the cinematic series, and is separate from another “Star Trek” pic that Paramount is developing with Quentin Tarantino producing and Mark L. Smith writing.
What the fuck is even happening with that other one.
 

Effect

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Oct 25, 2017
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Whatever they end up doing I hope they have their expectations in check and hire a more competent marking team.
 

butalala

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Nov 24, 2017
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I'd like to see Tarantino's movie too. But I'll take Hawley's movie on the strength of Fargo Season 2 alone. Get Ted Danson in there.
 

Kzinti

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Oct 27, 2017
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U.S.S Discovery
i hope once the merge is complete they cancel it cause legion outside of season 1 was terrible that's not even adding the fact that his first movie was pure garbage if the review is to be believed...
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pine wanted more than they were willing to pay. Wtf they gonna do with the Captain absent, some not Enterprise movie?

Or did they cough up the cash?