It was always that way. The explosion is literally what separated the two.
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Star Trek: Picard - Season 1 |OT| Re-ENGAGE!
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It was always that way. The explosion is literally what separated the two.
It doesn't affect the Prime timeline at all though. Spock "died" trying to save Romulus and nothing else from those movies matter.
The only thing it really affected is that Romulus went kaboom and Spock died and it's a far better fate than the one they gave Kirk.
Well it did rip the heart out of the Romulan empire, essentially consigning one of the big Trek enemies to permanent refugee status surviving on the ragged edge of space.
I'm happy to see these characters again, and I'll keep watching, but I wasn't terribly impressed with the first episode. Writing didn't seem great? Dialog felt awkward in spots.
Picard being immediately all-in on this strange woman felt a little rushed, and all the stuff about biological synthetics, synthetic twins, and whatnot felt contrived and glossed over to an extreme degree. Felt like they just wanted to rush through a lot of setup in this one episode, and most of it just didn't really land for me.
Only thing I didnt like about the episode was a weird camera angle on Picards face which was not only too close, but looked fisheye. Hope they stop that going forward.
Romulus wasn't destroyed in the kelvin timeline (yet anyways) but yes Vulcan and Amanda are still around (well Amanda is probably dead by this point)
The destruction of Romulus was always Prime timeline, it was never depicted in an alternate timeline.
Only the events on the other side of the black hole were an alternate timeline.
The events on this side of the hole were still happening in the classic Trek universe. As far as anybody in Prime knew, the star blew, Romulus cracked, Spock created a black hole to contain it, and then himself fell victim to it. The end.
No clue that some wild Abrams shenanigans were going on on the other side or that Spock survived. None of that stuff had any affect on the prime timeline who now simply assumed Spock dead.
Abramsverse is in its own bubble, which Prime Spock fell into. The only times you really see the prime timeline in the abrams movies are spock's flashbacks, since he's from the prime timeline. Everything else happens on the other side of the black hole, which means it does not affect prime.
(Though you can assume certain things, like that the Romulan star will eventually blow in the alternate universe too)
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The act of spock in the jellyfish and an nero in the narada going back in time through the black hole caused by the red matter explosion is what causes the split. Nero attacks the Kelvin which makes it a parallel timeline. Romulus still exists in the Kelvin timeline, but not in the prime timeline. This is a continuation of the prime timeline with nothing to do with the Kelvin, which is what the '09 movies are.
Edit: Beaten like Worf many times on TNG (JK)
I think he has been depressed. At the end he laments the years he wasted "nursing my offended dignity". But yeah, he's still himself.
Yeah but not to the point where the character is almost unrecognizable, that trope has just become tired and predictable.
Thanks all for your explanations. Makes sense now. I do know Picard follows the Prime timeline. It's been awhile since I've seen the movie, so didn't remember specifics.
Sorry for the derail. As for Picard, I really enjoyed the first episode. Had some performance issues with CBSAA, hopefully that is temporary, but the episode itself was good.
I am intrigued to see where they go with it.
Sorry for the derail. As for Picard, I really enjoyed the first episode. Had some performance issues with CBSAA, hopefully that is temporary, but the episode itself was good.
I am intrigued to see where they go with it.
Yeah. He just retreated from the world, in a very believable way. He didn't even realise he'd done it.
There's also some overlap with (at least in the lead up comics) Nero's ship having been enhanced with scalvaged Borg tech by the Romulans
When Picard was telling Dajh that she wasn't a freak, that she was special with special gifts my brain went.
"Um, Sir Patrick... You are playing Picard right now, not Xavier."
"Um, Sir Patrick... You are playing Picard right now, not Xavier."
He had to built her up before saying the word "synth", ok.
I... was not ready for that pun, lol.
He will be back, soonger or later
He will be back, soonger or later
Very " punny," ahem. And per your image:
Data, you're alive!!! ....and you're a horrible shot!"
It's been a looong time, but weren't they completely defeated in the Voyager finale? Their transwarp conduits were destroyed and the Queen was killed(?).
Even if they recovered, it would take them centuries to rebuild their vast interstellar network.
That the Supernova was in the TOS->TNG Prime timeline was made abundantly clear when the 2009 movie came out. It's the plot method by which they separated the two timelines. The events of the movies after Nero and Spock go back in time have no bearing on the prime timeline.
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Canonically, it's unresolved. The collective may be in disarray, it may be recovering, or it may be conspiring. Given various members of the cast, it'll likely be addressed
They also killed the queen during First Contact, it doesn't mean much. As for the transwarp conduits, yeah that probably sucks for them but is less likely a game ender since they were fully capable of going faster-than-warp even outside of them.
I enjoyed that. Episode flew by. Script was a bit hokey in its dialogue scenes especially between Daj and Picard but I'm very intrigued where it's going. A good set up for what is to come.
I know the Borg proper will somehow be involved, how can they not with Picard's history but outside of that final show they were conspicuously not mentioned in the whole synthetic talk. I was wondering if that meant the Borg are gone but Romulans(/Maddox?) fucked up using latent Borg tech or something more insidious like the Borg being quiet but infiltrating after getting almost decimated.
Having just watched that episode with Lore/Data and Soong, he says Lore isn't more advanced than Data, if anything Data is more advanced.
Ok. Maybe its some dumb Metal Gear Solid 1 thing. I forget.
But still. Lore was caught the last time he was in TNG right? I forget if his last apperance was that Soong episode or the one with the rogue borg
No, Picard didn't get to rescue most of the Romulans in general because the fleet got hijacked while it was being built. That's where the 900 million comes from - the population of the worlds destroyed in the Hobus supernova, chiefly Romulus.
The Synths attacked Mars and the Utopia Planitia Shipyard (which I always assumed was in orbit of Mars but is depicted as on the surface of Mars here, but whatever). I highly doubt there was any high Romulan population. The episode didn't really draw a straight line between the relationship, but it seems Starfleet (and the public too?) felt that the Synth attack was worse and more devastating because Picard had a good portion of the existing fleet away helping rescue the Romulan population and Utopia was busy making ships specifically for the rescue effort, and then with the Shipyard destroyed, Starfleet's ability to build new starships period had to have taken a big hit, hence the resentment from Starfleet and the negative public perception.
Of course, if Starfleet has really gone centuries without having other shipyards other than Utopia Planitia then they were asking for trouble anyway.
I may have that backwards though, it's not really clear to me if the attack by the synths happened during the Romulan crisis or well after the Supernova.
I think there is a fundamental character difference between Picard and the "Other Sci-Fi Character" people are comparing him too. The latter was depressed and a recluse because of his own behavior that he saw as a failing, whereas Picard didn't have a personal failing, rather he has been depressed and wasting years because the system itself failed despite his best efforts. Picard was the one upholding the Roddenberry values while he felt the institutions he'd devoted his lives to had failed at their obligation to uphold those same values.
I believe the last thing we know is that Data took him down and was dismantled and kept in storage at starfleet.
The episode with the rogue Borg was the last Lore episode. That was the season six finale/season seven premiere. The Soong episode was season four. The last time we saw Lore, Data deactivated him and he was disassembled.
I must say I really like the direction they've taken with Picard's disillusionment with Starfleet. I was fearing a very generic "oh noes Starfleet is evil now" plotline, but it seems a lot more nuanced than that right now; it's the exact sort of thing Picard would take a stand against. It feels totally inline with what happened to Starfleet up to this point, rather than some moustache-twirling turn.
Let the Drumhead begin.
Let the Drumhead begin.
Ok that makes sense.
It was a bit of a info dump but yeah. Picard convinces starfleet to help the Romulans. They start building the ships. Synth Attack happens. Starfleet decide to scrap the rescue mission. Picard resigns in protest.
I kind of wish they would have edited it to make him look like the Discovery Klingons just to make people lose their goddamn minds.
Yea, I thought it was interesting they didn't go with the bearded picard like the alternate timeline. Or maybe since he didn't get Irrumodic syndrome, it changed his outlook on life.
The Borg should still be threat - they hold a massive amount of space and have an enormous fleet. However it would make sense for them to be rethinking their strategy towards humanity in the face of numerous failures against Voyager and Species 8472. The best way for Star Trek to handle them for Picard and other series set at the same time or shortly afterwards would be to invent a plot where the Borg focused their efforts on assimilating the Delta quadrant, massively increasing their numbers and obtaining new knowledge and technology that way, in preparation for a long battle with the Federation and other assorted Alpha quadrant powers in the long-term future.
They have at least a few other shipyards - the Enterprise-E was launched from San Francisco yards (which are orbital but have a HQ in San Francisco) and Voyager was launched from the McKinley Yard (also in Earth orbit). There really should be others in other systems but who knows.
If there's Federation internment camps for former Borg drones then they really screwed up by not interning the most famous former Borg drone ever.
Oh yeah, I imagine she and the other Voyager ex-Borg would be exceptions, in part due to how helpful they were to Starfleet vs. the Borg, and in part because Janeway could vouch for them.
IIRC the trailers show Seven with an office.
IIRC the trailers show Seven with an office.
Seven might well be famous but she doesn't qualify as the most famous. There isn't a Star Trek series named after her :p.
I like how there was a sort of meta comment when Dajh was like 'you are the super famous guy' where like yeah, as the captain of the ship in The Next Generation, you would necessarily be like the most famous person in the galaxy given all the things you were involved in.