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Star Trek: Picard - Season 1 |OT| Re-ENGAGE!
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Sure, we the viewers saw that he was conscious throughout, but how does Barclay prove that to an in-universe observer? There's no scientific way to say the guy who was transported is the same uninterrupted consciousness instead of a new guy with all the memories of the original Barclay. The conscious being that stepped into the transporter might end then and there, and there'd be no way to know without some breakthrough that defined and quantified consciousness.
With regards to that, the actor has been trying to get a show where he captains a ship for a looooong time, so this may be the dit way of getting him back.so apparently worf is the captain of the enterprise
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link may be spoiler
https://treknews.net/2019/08/27/michael-dorn-captain-worf-star-trek-universe/
Anyone else think Patrick might be abit too old to play Picard. I liked it when Picard would physically lay the smack down on scrubs. Not sure Patrick could handle that.
Well, that's probably also exactly why they decided to go with a ~92 year old Picard.
I saw the CGP Grey video on continuity of consciousness, so that's about where I am on education in the subject.
IMO, people are changing constantly. On a technical level, the you of five minutes ago is technically not the same being as the you of right now. Right now isn't even "right now" anymore. But that's okay because you observed the passage of time, so you are still you. But that raises the question, what happens when you go to sleep? The continuity of consciousness breaks right there. Do you die every night after you close your eyes, and are you a new you every day? In some sense, yes, but from a more sensible perspective, no, that's just silliness.
The Star Trek transporter is just a roller coaster ride that involves a temporary transformation into an energy being. Star Trek has even established that you can remain conscious while you're in a state of energy, so the continuity of consciousness is not even broken. It's not an issue. Star Trek transporters aren't suicide boxes. The writers deliberately went out of their way to say/prove that they're not. There are other transporters (like the one used in The Prestige) which clearly are suicide boxes, but that doesn't mean that every transporter has to be one.
The fact that transporter accidents have resulted in copy-beings does raise the question of whether one, the other, both, or neither copy has a soul, but fearmongers saying that all transporters destroy the soul, and that even one transport ride means that you are tainted and scarred as a soulless individual forever, seems about on par with the primitive fear that taking a photograph captures and steals your soul, also rendering you a soulless individual. It's nonsense until someone comes up with a better reasoning than "Well, you can't disprove it."
Edit: Sorry Kzinti.
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At the end of the day though, Star Trek was never intended to be the type of hard science fiction a lot of people claim to want.
I was surprised that very few if any of the reviewers picked up on the Issac Asimov diss in Episode 2 of PIC. Most thought it was an ironic joke about a character in a science fiction show claiming he wasn't into science fiction, and I think that was the top layer of that joke.
But I saw it too as a kick at Asimov, or at least an acknowledgement of how Asimov hated TOS when it first came out because of just how loose it was with science facts. He was later convinced by Roddenberry to accept the show for what it was, science fiction for a mass audience in a western adventure show set in space. Asimov came around and then loved the show for other reasons, like its social commentary and characters.
vulcans, and by extension romulans, have always been space elfy
just giving them a sword just makes me feel like we're full blown into rivendell territory lol
Right, but I'm saying what Star Trek keeps doing is just not that interesting. It doesn't even have to go full into hard sci-fi to be something different or more compelling than it is now or has been in the past. At its best it did present itself as something more than just traditional adventure drama, which is what I'd like to see accentuated more than the bland plots they're coming up with these days. Less space fantasy and more dealing with what the future and technology actually mean for humans (in ways that are relevant - so less focus on scary androids and moreso on complex, larger scale AI), beyond the same old faction politics ST has tapped for decades. I think you can make sci-fi for a mass audience that isn't the same old thing time and again. Especially now, I think there is potential in complexity reaching larger audiences. Like continuity for example could be used to actually build a coherent and consistent world instead of just being window dressing, I don't think that's a limited audience type thing at all today.
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so apparently worf is the captain of the enterprise
I felt a little incredulous about it at first too but, well... Riker and Troi are over on the Titan, Data is gone, Crusher is a Doctor so commanding a flagship isn't really her realm. If we're looking at the original cast, it's pretty much between Geordi and Worf. But Geordi is an engineer and naturally spent most of his time in engineering dealing more with technology than with people.
Worf was actually an Enterprise bridge officer dealing directly with high risk situations. On DS9 he coordinated starfleet activity for that entire sector. He later became the commander of the USS Defiant. He also became a Federation ambassador (to Qo'noS of course).
If they're going to pick from the original cast, Worf seems like the best answer. Dude actually has a pretty damn nice resume.
It just feels weird because Worf was so often played for laughs or outright ignored in the TNG era. But the more I think about it, the more it makes sense (within the context of fiction).
Now I just wonder if it's still the E.
You say this when we have seen future versions of both Crusher and Geordi in command of their own ships.
Still seems like
a significant backwards career move from Ambassador.
Also if it's not the Enterprise E it's a little goofy. These ships should be in service for decades, not 10-15 years.
Also if it's not the Enterprise E it's a little goofy. These ships should be in service for decades, not 10-15 years.
Do brief future cameos from defunct timelines somehow make them more qualified
I'm aware of those versions but it doesn't really matter
For example being captain of a medical ship in service as a mobile hospital is not the same job as being captain of the federation flagship
Yes they should be in service longer, but this is fiction, so we'll get new enterprises as frequently as the guys in charge deem it exciting.
Personally I think an E-Refit would be cool.
Give me a better bridge though. The old one was a total yawn. Grey metal with blue lights, big surprise.
Well he seems to have ignored Kirk's advice since "Don't let them promote you" was part of his advice.
The Picard novel is interesting so far.
it's set just before the star goes Supernova. La Forge has a big ish role as the project lead on Mars building ships for the Romulan relief effort.
Raffi has a kid.
There is an intriguing suggestion the supernova was not natural.
Raffi has a kid.
There is an intriguing suggestion the supernova was not natural.
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Got him in the body first, then the head. The Star Trek combo.
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I hope the consoles in the La Sirena are filled with rocks like all other vessels in Star Trek.
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Calling it.
It's clearly what the writers are intending with that subplot.
Narissa's attempt to force Narek to extract information from Soji results in a threesome.
It's clearly what the writers are intending with that subplot.
Umm
aren't they brother and sister? Did I miss hear that in ep 3?
Yeah but their vibes are waaaay too freaky to not be...you know
They are but there will be a scene right before it when they conspicuously talk about how they're not actually related because their parents just recently got together so it's cool.
iirc star trek has never touched upon this particular taboo
but there's a first time for everything
They also never dropped F bombs to my recollection but I'm no expert. It wouldn't really matter to me either way I'm having a blast with the show. It hasn't quite reached disco season 2 levels for me yet though
1.04 "Absolute Candor" Discussion
Get ready. Today's episode brings the relationship to Cruel Intentions levels.
After episode 4 I'm definitely on board. I'm not gungho about it as I still think Picard isn't Picard enough, but as I stated before we do see glimpses of Captain Picard when he gets angry and self-righteous. Perhaps he's softer on purpose; a man disillusioned with Starfleet and the principles he stood by but one regaining a sense of purpose.
But it looks like we're finally getting the adventure side of things now.
But it looks like we're finally getting the adventure side of things now.
And incest comes to Star Trek.
14 years ago Picard seems less like TNG Picard than present-day Picard.
Nice to see some space travel. They've changed the warp travel FX unless that's meant to be quantum slipstream. I really wish they'd shown a Federation starship in the flashback instead of more Discovery shuttles.
Anyone else bothered by the microaggression that both Rios and Raffi assumed the pilot must be male by default? I know, an intentional misdirection by the writers for the reveal but you'd have hoped with 300 years of betterment they would have eliminated such ingrained biases.
14 years ago Picard seems less like TNG Picard than present-day Picard.
Nice to see some space travel. They've changed the warp travel FX unless that's meant to be quantum slipstream. I really wish they'd shown a Federation starship in the flashback instead of more Discovery shuttles.
Anyone else bothered by the microaggression that both Rios and Raffi assumed the pilot must be male by default? I know, an intentional misdirection by the writers for the reveal but you'd have hoped with 300 years of betterment they would have eliminated such ingrained biases.
Everyone becoming Captains is one of the silliest things in Star Trek.
No. Because as you said it was intentional by the writers. We're not actually looking into life in the late 24th century after all.
So after the fourth episode I think it's time for some first impressions of the series. Judging it by general sci-fi TV standards it's perfectly serviceable and watchable, although I imagine that viewers who are new to Star Trek will be confused a bit. It doesn't have the TNG+ look that one would expect from a post TNG-era show but I can deal with that as Discovery was way worse in that regard and I understand the need for a show's visuals to be updated to modern standards and style.
My main issue with the show so far is that Picard, the main character, is simply unrecognizable as the eponymous captain from the series and (less so) from the movies. He is not the same character and Stewart is very clearly playing himself in this series instead of an established character. Everything about him is so far removed from what we saw earlier that I am seriously wondering what was the point in making a Picard show at all. That was a rhetorical question as we all know the point (nostalgia pandering and money). This latest episode further reinforces that aside from the fact that he is being played by the same actor, this series' Picard is a completely different character.
My main issue with the show so far is that Picard, the main character, is simply unrecognizable as the eponymous captain from the series and (less so) from the movies. He is not the same character and Stewart is very clearly playing himself in this series instead of an established character. Everything about him is so far removed from what we saw earlier that I am seriously wondering what was the point in making a Picard show at all. That was a rhetorical question as we all know the point (nostalgia pandering and money). This latest episode further reinforces that aside from the fact that he is being played by the same actor, this series' Picard is a completely different character.
People can change a lot in 30 years, especially when facing their own mortality and radical life changes.
the narek/soji stuff continues to be fucking stupid and so far discovery was vastly more enjoyable than this hope it gets better soon
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Show that change then, as well as the reasons for it. Don't jump to a different character and pretend it's the same.
A very low bar that Picard can't even pass in my opinion. I would gladly take the last season of Enterprise over Picard.