Well I don't find myself bored during episodes any more so that means they're probably getting better, but I wouldn't necessarily call the show good or great yet.
There are critical voices, the show isn't universally loved but I think most of them are aware that Star Trek was always flawed especially in the first seasons. Compare this to TNG season 1 and it's gold, so many older fans might be more forgiving.I need to visit it.
I don't participate in the BBS because I would feel like a lone voice. I mean their polls have hardly any negative ratings. It seems unreal.
But the style is different. Yeah TNG S1 had problems but it was clearly Trek in style. PIC is far above it in production values but it doesn't feel like Trek.There are critical voices, the show isn't universally loved but I think most of them are aware that Star Trek was always flawed especially in the first seasons. Compare this to TNG season 1 and it's gold, so many older fans might be more forgiving.
Back then in 1987 many fans despised TNG and thought it didn't feel like Trek at all and all it had going for it where the effects, it took years for TNG to be accepted by the fandom, this criticism isn't new. DS9 was disliked too for being too different.But the style is different. Yeah TNG S1 had problems but it was clearly Trek in style. PIC is far above it in production values but it doesn't feel like Trek.
I do know about that. But don't we have a much bigger change now?Back then in 1987 many fans despised TNG and thought it didn't feel like Trek at all and all it had going for it where the effects, it took years for TNG to be accepted by the fandom, this criticism isn't new. DS9 was disliked too for being too different.
It uses sci-fi to illuminate and explore the human condition and current things.
But the style is different. Yeah TNG S1 had problems but it was clearly Trek in style. PIC is far above it in production values but it doesn't feel like Trek.
There isn't much truth to this and I swear people just hear there used to be criticisms and guess what they were based on how S1/2 was viewed later/today.Back then in 1987 many fans despised TNG and thought it didn't feel like Trek at all and all it had going for it where the effects, it took years for TNG to be accepted by the fandom, this criticism isn't new. DS9 was disliked too for being too different.
When I say feel like Trek, I mean morals, intellectual discussion, dialogue etc. Not the budget or serialization.Star Trek doesn't need to be low budget to feel like Star Trek. The only real difference is Star Trek is traditionally episodic in nature, but that format of television hasn't been popular for a while. We've kinda moved from 26 episode seasons. These days seasons are 8-10 episodes long with higher budgets per episode and a more focused, serialised storyline.
There were few morals in TOS worth celebrating. The movies were really the only place those characters shone with stereotypes and sexism rampant in the show.When I say feel like Trek, I mean morals, intellectual discussion, dialogue etc. Not the budget or serialization.
No, episodic television is still popular as evidenced by all the shows that run for 10+ seasons on CBS and the fifty Dick Wolf shows on NBC. They're aiming for the prestige TV market, which is fine, but I think that means you have to compare your shows against those shows them.Star Trek doesn't need to be low budget to feel like Star Trek. The only real difference is Star Trek is traditionally episodic in nature, but that format of television hasn't been popular for a while. We've kinda moved from 26 episode seasons. These days seasons are 8-10 episodes long with higher budgets per episode and a more focused, serialised storyline.
You had to misquote me while disregarding everything else
Star Trek is fluid. What defines Star Trek for one person is different for another.
I feel this feels like Star Trek. It uses sci-fi to illuminate and explore the human condition and current things. It's just not exploration Star Trek
You are right. The 24th century probably wont be like TNG. But a lot of us watched ST mainly for that because no other show did it. Now even ST doesn't do it.There were few morals in TOS worth celebrating. The movies were really the only place those characters shone with stereotypes and sexism rampant in the show.
the crime that TNG portrayed was that the future of Trek was only ever viewed from the comfortable viewpoint of Starfleet. When they're able to replicate on demand and solve problems assigned to them with ease you start to have this idealistic point of view that's just a facade. For every Picard speech, there's an evil Admiral.
now we're just able to add legitimate approaches to how humans speak. Swearing is a fact of life. People swear. All the damn time for fucks sake. The future isn't some place where people never swear.
No. That's network television's lack of freedom.
lack of morals exist in the future too. we're just seeing how that's presented through the eyes of an old old man
The bland TNG movies like Generations and Insurrection and even Nemesis are still better than this.
yeah right 🙄I haven't said a swear word for 20 years. And I am not that old.
PSA: The DS9 Documentary is up for free on Tubi. Link here https://tubitv.com/movies/513071/what_we_left_behind_looking_back_at_star_trek_deep_space_nine
I like their premise of a Season 8 with Kira and Bajor being antagonists.
welp i'm glad DS9 ended when it didActually, it's Section 31 all over again... with Bashir ordering the death of Nog. lol
It's funny, Section 31 was "just a movie thing" when they filmed the documentary. Now it's so over-saturated that it seems like the laziest plot device they could use now.
For a one day shoot the shit session? The way they set up
I guess technically the DS9 documentary rather than an actual season 8. lol
I am serous. I have a few friends and family who are like that too. It's our culture.
The Worf avatar makes this pretty funny.I am serous. I have a few friends and family who are like that too. It's our culture.
I love Worf's discipline and righteousness. He is more Klingon than the Klingons.
He's actually a bad Klingon. For a lot of reasons.I love Worf's discipline and righteousness. He is more Klingon than the Klingons.
The evil admiral thing is simply untrue. I've been watching TNG again recently and the Admirals are all portrayed quite differently and some have a surprising depth to them. Take Admiral Haftel, from the episode 'The Offspring' where Data creates Lal. He comes in to take her away as he thinks a starbase would be the best environment to raise her. He seems like a jerk because he wants to take Data's kid away. Then, when she is dying he works tirelessly with Data to save her and as Data is still working he goes into the hall where Deanna, Wesley and Geordi are waiting. He's visibly shaken and grieved and laments that he couldn't do anything to help save her and that despite Data's superhuman abilities, Lal is doomed. It's a very powerful and nuanced performance where he's revealed to not be a simple antagonist. It makes one wonder whether if Lal did pull through, the admiral may have changed his stance. It's really good writing.the crime that TNG portrayed was that the future of Trek was only ever viewed from the comfortable viewpoint of Starfleet. When they're able to replicate on demand and solve problems assigned to them with ease you start to have this idealistic point of view that's just a facade. For every Picard speech, there's an evil Admiral.
I think Picard doesn't really explore any human condition. The primary plot throughout the season has been focused on synthetic life. I feel that there has been more said about synthetics and humanity in two episodes of TNG than in an entire season so far. More was explored in the Measure of a Man episode and the one with Lal. I feel they explored more in those 2 hours than the 9 hours so far in Picard.
Back then in 1987 many fans despised TNG and thought it didn't feel like Trek at all and all it had going for it where the effects, it took years for TNG to be accepted by the fandom, this criticism isn't new. DS9 was disliked too for being too different.
The other side of this train of thought it that if they did somehow decide that they needed to be summoned by any future synths having trouble with their organic creators, surely one admonition would not be enough. If, say, a thousand years from now, the Kazon had gotten their act together and built a unified, scientifically advanced star-nation and created synths, those synths would be ~70K light years away from Aia. They're never going to find it or even hear about it.Maybe this was already covered, but I just thought of something: if you're an advanced synthetic civilization that's seen how organics handle synthetic life and want to prevent it from happening to other civilizations, why would they wait for a signal from one of them to send the cavalry? Shouldn't they be watching all the time, like they say in the admonition? What advantage is there to anyone for them to wait for a signal, assuming they had the firepower to back up their offer of protection?
I bet Worf secretly has a Kahless hug pillow.
No. The only difference is that this is a serialized story condensed into 10 episodes rather than spread out over multiple seasons like DS9.I do know about that. But don't we have a much bigger change now?
No. The only difference is that this is a serialized story condensed into 10 episodes rather than spread out over multiple seasons like DS9.
There is no unified Trek style, a portion of the fanbase has hated every show after TOS for some time.
You are right. It's like he has taken certain Klingon principles and tried to perfect them while ignoring much of what makes a Klingon.He's actually a bad Klingon. For a lot of reasons.
He is an amazing character but what he views as Klingon is a pure form that can't actually exist in the Klingon Empire.