Star Trek: Picard - Season 1 |OT| Re-ENGAGE!

[selfawarekeyboard]

Just watched the season finale, didn't like the series after ep3, downhill since then and the finale was garbage.

Literal magic device to fix things, create things....no even attempted explanation.

The whole plot.... Meh

Death is cured good stuff.

So the whole Borg plot was useless, easily could have the season done in three hours.

Uniform on data looked like cos play level fitting.

First star wars then this, I'm checked out.

 

[BossAttack]

How does someone get away with writing a magically solves whatever problem the user has tool? Ugh.

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LOL.

This episode had such shit writing I forgot that even happened.

 

[Officer Big Mac]

Didn't Picard point out that she was essentially brainwashed?

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I didnt think that was a serious comment but it really fits in with the Intro to Creative Writing-level writing on display.

 

[QuigleyMcShine]

I didnt think that was a serious comment but it really fits in with the Intro to Creative Writing-level writing on display.

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Either way, it was understood she was going to turn herself in when they reached a starbase and nothing that happened since contradicted that.

It seems like a lot of this thread is just looking for reasons to hate the show.

 

[antonz]

It had a lot of problems and it created a Post nemesis story for Data that most of us did not need or desire but I do think how it ended was done well. It is something I could see Data easily wanting as a character in his pursuit of humanity.

Budget Wise is it obvious while CBS is betting big on Star Trek they are trying to cut budget at every corner they can. Not only was Every Federation ship the same they had like TOS/Disco era sheet metal grey hulls etc. They looked like Star trek Online era ships with TOS era textures etc.

 

[StallionDan]

How does someone get away with writing a magically solves whatever problem the user has tool? Ugh.

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This show treats technology like magic. Pretty much anything can be done.

A fucking hand tool can do whatever you imagine.

 

[Officer Big Mac]

Either way, it was understood she was going to turn herself in when they reached a starbase and nothing that happened since contradicted that.

It seems like a lot of this thread is just looking for reasons to hate the show.

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There is a lot to dislike. You dont have to look hard.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

Everything regarding soong's son in this finale made no sense. Like, everyone instantly forgives him that, on a whim, he decided to side with robots in the genocide of all organic lifeform? like, he was fully ready to ditch his organic body and become an android. The only reason he "turned" is because he realized the evil soji was evil? Like... duh?

But then picard dies, and this dude has been spending his entire life trying to build a golem to escape death... and he instantly gives it away to picard instead because....?

And the stuff about "We gave you a robot body, that's exactly as old as you used to be, that will die at the exact same time you'd have normally died from normal causes" is groan-worthy.

Why exactly where Soji and the others in space, on the borg cube, etc? Like, were they sent on a mission? Why? What did they accomplish? And what was the reason for the borg backdrop at all? That went no where, provided no closure or set up or really anything. They were just there.

 

[Kinthey]

Did they imply a relationship between Seven and Raffi at the end there? I don't even recall the two exchanging more than two words.

It would be fitting though because I already found the relationship between Rios and Agnis super artificial

 

[Valdfellgar]

Not the worst Trek first season, not the best, definitely rough in places. Eh, I didn't hate it but I really don't love it. I have a lot of the same problems most everyone else has had. With a clean slate I hope the next show runner can manage something that comes together a bit better. Wife really lost interest after Episode 6(?) when we learned every character we love has had some kind of horrible tragedy happen or just has a shit life in the gap between when we left them and now. Like Riker and Troy's kid we never knew. Can no one be happy? She'll still watch a Season 2 just for Picard though.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

Did they imply a relationship between Seven and Raffi at the end there? I don't even recall the two exchanging more than two words.

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I saw that too and was struggling to remember if they even spoke to each other in the entire show?

 

[Officer Big Mac]

Did they imply a relationship between Seven and Raffi at the end there? I don't even recall the two exchanging more than two words.

It would be fitting though because I already found the relationship between Rios and Agnis super artificial

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And they give Sevens screen time to have a scene with...Rios? I guess Raffi's scene actually adds to the development of both characters on screen. Raffi for getting her shit together and offering some maternal love to the child-like Elnor. Seven and Rios's confessions felt like everyone else was paired up already and they just had to check another box.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

And they give Sevens screen time to have a scene with...Rios? I guess Raffi's scene actually adds to the development of both characters on screen. Raffi for getting her shit together and offering some maternal love to the child-like Elnor. Seven and Rios's confessions felt like everyone else was paired up already and they just had to check another box.

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But Rios hooked up with Jurati...

 

[Hella]

They really should've cut everything related to the Romulan conspiracy because by the Q did it go nowhere and accomplish nothing. They already had the Federation as antagonists (until the final ep where--oops--they've actually been on your side the entire time). Last and most importantly, Jurati said uber and I hate her for it; just jettison the entire La Sirena cast, losing Elnor and Raffi are acceptable collateral damage.

Everything about synths, Picard's struggles, and Data were great, but that's only 1/3 of the season. So much of it was wasted on things that didn't matter or went nowhere. I liked it overall but it could have been so, so much better.

 

[BossAttack]

So, ugh what happened to Hot Romulan dude?

 

[Officer Big Mac]

So, ugh what happened to Hot Romulan dude?

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He died on the way back to his home planet...oh. oh, no...

 

[Wag]

So much of this episode made no sense.

Why did the Federation lift the ban on synthetics? Plot or not, they still attacked Mars, andthe knowledge that a synthetic race exists ready to wipe out all organic life would probably make them more paranoid about synths, not less.

 

[StallionDan]

So much of this episode made no sense.

Why did the Federation lift the ban on synthetics? Plot or not, they still attacked Mars, andthe knowledge that a synthetic race exists ready to wipe out all organic life would probably make them more paranoid about synths, not less.

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I said weeks ago it'll all be blamed on Oh and Federation will act like did nothing wrong.

 

[h1nch]

I'm undecided on this. On one hand, it does give Data a better sense of closure. On the other hand....what's he actually been doing? Has he been stuck in a simulation for ages doing nothing, with no way to contact anyone other than Soong and maybe the synths? If so, that's kind of sad.

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Good questions. I would like to imagine that the passage of time for him would be different. Or if it somehow wasn't, that he would not mind/care at all.

 

[StallionDan]

So Lore, huh? I'm so glad he was discussed in this Soong Android/Synth heavy storyline that also featured Borg.

Imagine not mentioning him.

 

[Wag]

This show treats technology like magic. Pretty much anything can be done.

A fucking hand tool can do whatever you imagine.

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I'm still trying to figure out how Sutra did the Vulcan mind meld.

 

[OhSatan]

The Data stuff was really good but the rest was really bad like really bad just random setups about thing that needed to happen.

I think the synth plot would have been the thread for the whole 3 seasons, this really felt like the end.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

I'm still trying to figure out how Sutra did the Vulcan mind meld.

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It's all a biological process that can be replicated by an android. Nevermind that Vulcans are, you know, telepathic.

 

[zombiejames]

I'm still trying to figure out how Sutra did the Vulcan mind meld.

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She read a lot of books. You know, just like every other non-Vulcan race does it.

 

[Wag]

It's all a biological process that can be replicated by an android. Nevermind that Vulcans are, you know, telepathic.

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That being the case, why couldn't all synths do it?

 

[Deleted member 14568]

I think the synth plot would have been the thread for the whole 3 seasons,

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oh god no the synth shit was the most boring part of this fucking show

 

[antonz]

I saw that too and was struggling to remember if they even spoke to each other in the entire show?

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There was a Vulcan Kal-Toh game next to them on the table so it could have been tied to that. Otherwise it would have sure happened real fast and random

 

[Hella]

Raffi would be good at Kal-Toh. Finding order from chaos is what she does.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

She read a lot of books. You know, just like every other non-Vulcan race does it.

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speaking of TV show revivals, I am so stoked this is coming back

 

[Revali]

In my opinion, this show has the same problem as Discovery in that I don't really find myself caring about the new characters. They all seem shallow, even after ten episodes of development. Comparing it against the first ten episodes of Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones reveals a Stark contrast, it's black and White.

Even compared against Deep Space Nine's first ten episodes, I felt like I understood Odo, Quark, Kira, and others way more than I do any of Picard's characters not named Picard and Seven.

 

[Lump]

Why....make Picard a soong type android if we're all just going to pretend he's exactly the same as he was before?

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So that the show gets to milk the melodrama out of a death scene and have it not mean anything immediately afterward.

 

[firehawk12]

So that the show gets to milk the melodrama out of a death scene and have it not mean anything immediately afterward.

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What's weird is that they already killed Picard in a one off episode and that basically told us more about his character than his arc here.
It was all set up for the Data reunion, but I don't know why they wrote themselves into that corner to get him there.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

An entire series revolving around deaths of both Hugh and Data, and not a single mention of Geordi the entire time.

 

[Himynameischris]

That was great, last 15 mins or so were excellent, loved the talk with Picard and Data at the end. And Picard ending everything with a speech was perfect.

I don't get why some of you want Lore to be mentioned? For what? What could he possibly add to the show? He's evil and got shut off, end of story.

Anyways bring on Disco S3.

 

[Deleted member 3758]

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[obin_gam]

The best part with this being over is Mike's and Rich's review show!

 

[amanset]

*shrug* I liked it a lot. Overall I think the series was good, not great, but I think the finale was solid.

Mixed on the android body thing but it could've been handled a lot goofier. The final conversation with Data was really well done.

Was kinda hoping to see the Enterprise E at the end but oh well.

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I'm with you. I'm reading comments here and wondering if I watched a different show.

The only real complaint is the "oh so edgy" use of "fuck", not because I have issues with swearing but because it is jarring. Like when a PG-13 film uses its one allowed instance of it.

 

[Ferrio]

Watched the finale, I really don't have any good words to say about the whole damn thing.

Also this show really has a hard time deciding what it wants to say.

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Data: "Accepting death is what makes us human"
*brings back Picard after not accepting his death*

 

[Himynameischris]

Watched the finale, I really don't have any good words to say about the whole damn thing.

Also this show really has a hard time deciding what it wants to say.

Data: "Accepting death is what makes us human"
*brings back Picard after not accepting his death*

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Uh Picard had no say in being brought back but was concerned about being made immortal

 

[Ferrio]

Uh Picard had no say in being brought back but was concerned about being made immortal

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The writers did have that decision though. Also you always die of something, why is a brain issue the exception to the rule to bring him back? Jurati and the others were acting like he was a 20 year old cut down with cancer in the prime of his life.

 

[Himynameischris]

The writers did have that decision though. Also you always die of something, why is a brain issue the exception to the rule to bring him back?

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The people that loved him wanted him back and had a way to do it? (I'm sure Soong loved the chance to test out his golem) Should they have just let Picard die when he got stabbed in the heart? Should Q have let him die in Tapestry too?

 

[Ferrio]

The people that loved him wanted him back and had a way to do it? (I'm sure Soong loved the chance to test out his golem) Should they have just let Picard die when he got stabbed in the heart? Shouldn't Q have let him die in Tapestry too?

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I mean if all you care about is fan service sure, robot Picard happy ending yay except it pretty much shits on the storytelling. You have this very poignant moment with Data talking about how human's are special due to their limited time, and their death. Then 5 seconds later the writers are like "Gotcha he's alive, fuck death". It really does a disservice to Data and his message.

Also bringing someone back to life in a new body without asking them beforehand is pretty fucking atrocious. Especially Picard since he seemed very much at ease and accepting of his death.

 

[Sanctuary]

This show treats technology like magic. Pretty much anything can be done.

A fucking hand tool can do whatever you imagine.

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Anyway, the entire time through the last couple of episodes I was constantly reminded of Mass Effect. When Soji literally summoned the Reapers, I lost it.

 

[Deleted member 1478]

The fleet being a copy and paste ship was such a massive letdown.

Best part of the episode for me though was just seeing Riker smile as he watched Picard get through to Soji. Loved it.

 

[Ferrio]

An entire series revolving around deaths of both Hugh and Data, and not a single mention of Geordi the entire time.

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He was the butterfly in the sky.

 

[Sir Hound]

How does someone get away with writing a magically solves whatever problem the user has tool? Ugh.

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And not have that be the thing that saves Picard.
I had a good time though. Good to see a crew in place.

 

[Deleted member 14568]

An entire series revolving around deaths of both Hugh and Data, and not a single mention of Geordi the entire time.

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well i'm glad he wasn't i'm sure the writers would have found a way to ruin his character

 

[amanset]

An entire series revolving around deaths of both Hugh and Data, and not a single mention of Geordi the entire time.

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Pretty sure LaForge was mentioned when Picard was talking about assembling a crew. Something along the lines of he would "do it in a heartbeat".

 

[Fuzzy]

He was the butterfly in the sky.

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He can go twice as high.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Was anyone else annoyed that it said Jonathan Frakes as a Guest Star during the opening? I mean, you knew what was gonna happen for sure then. Sigh. Writing was on the wall anyway.