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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Announced; Official Teaser Trailer

Oct 25, 2017
10,534
Hmm. Could have sworn you were a TLJ fan
It has some really great moments, with the best director of performances and images the series has ever had, but the film's structure is a disaster zone. All the good things the Rey/Kylo/Luke sections are doing all constantly being pulled down by the mid-tier Battlestar Galactia episode with Poe/Laura Dern and the dramatically dire Finn/Rose parts. And most of the humor is just...bad, lol.
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,478
New Jersey
It has some really great moments, with the best director of performances and images the series has ever had, but the film's structure is a disaster zone. All the good things the Rey/Kylo/Luke sections are doing all constantly being pulled down by the mid-tier Battlestar Galactia episode with Poe/Laura Dern and the dramatically dire Finn/Rose parts. And most of the humor is just...bad, lol.
That's fair. I agree on the humor, it's pretty quirky and "out there." TFA captured that humorous SW spirit much better. But some of the more outlandish humorous bits kinda work for me ... like Luke milking the titty and the Porgs are pretty cute. Worst humor for me is the moments between Kylo Ren and Hux in the climax. Little too close to Spaceballs for my taste.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,372
NYC
as much as I like to hate on Abrams, there's really not much to continue from TLJ's themes. There's a sense of finality in how it treats its characters and the series in general, where anything that comes afterwards may feel anticipated and dull. Fittingly enough, it reminds me of how Breaking Bad ends at Ozymandias in my mind (which Rian Johnson also directed) and everything after that episode is the show kinda going through the motions just to deliver some closure.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I don't buy into this. Villains aren't always wrong because they are bad guys.
Kylo is an example of a villain who's completely wrong because he's not a good person and both films make it a point to make it so. Kylo is not Killmonger, nothing he says has an actual point or merit because he himself undermines his words. He's the definition of the term, "self destructive."
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't buy into this. Villains aren't always wrong because they are bad guys. Look at Black Panther for example.
It’s not because he’s a bad guy. It’s because the movie explicitly shows that his philosophy is misguided and the protagonists progress by not letting the past die but instead accepting and learning from it
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,478
New Jersey
I don't buy into this. Villains aren't always wrong because they are bad guys. Look at Black Panther for example.
Kilmonger was only partially correct in that King T'Chaka, and rulers before him, were wrong to turn a blind eye to the suffering of black peoples around the world, but the movie roundly rejects the idea that Wakanda should resist systemic oppression thru violent uprising.

The message I took from TLJ is that you cannot escape your past by running and hiding (like Luke) or by burning it all down (like Kylo). The only way to grow beyond your mistakes is to face them head on and take the good with the bad.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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as much as I like to hate on Abrams, there's really not much to continue from TLJ's themes. There's a sense of finality in how it treats its characters and the series in general, where anything that comes afterwards may feel anticipated and dull. Fittingly enough, it reminds me of how Breaking Bad ends at Ozymandias in my mind (which Rian Johnson also directed) and everything after that episode is the show kinda going through the motions just to deliver some closure.
Yeah, I think JJ went in the only interesting direction you could go considering TLJ didn't leave any plot threads/mysteries.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The internet in general.

It's been this way since the special editions in 1997. I remember the angry internet arguments about "Han Shot First" when I was around 12 in 1997.

And the argument have never stopped once the past 22 years.
The rage about the Special Editions was probably the only time it was actually justified, though. He was destroying classic films. Look at that awful CGI today, and there's no official HD version of the movies without it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,760
It has some really great moments, with the best director of performances and images the series has ever had, but the film's structure is a disaster zone. All the good things the Rey/Kylo/Luke sections are doing all constantly being pulled down by the mid-tier Battlestar Galactia episode with Poe/Laura Dern and the dramatically dire Finn/Rose parts. And most of the humor is just...bad, lol.
There really were too many separate plotlines going on despite ending it with very little intrigue, which is not a great way to end the middle film in a trilogy. Even though it just amounted to one of many shitty comedy scenes, ending TFA with questions like "is Finn going to be ok?" was something.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If you look at his other tweets, it looks like he just posted a shit tons of random stuff. He probably posted tons of random Star Wars speculations, and now years later he deleted all his Star Wars tweets EXCEPT the two that coincidentally happen to fit reality.
He hasn’t been active on Twitter since 2013
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,039
Not saying he was in the know, but if he was it would be interesting if the title and Palpatine living were from GL's story treatment. I'm pretty sure the concept art was done in the spring of 2013. There was another painting for VII that was specifically of Palpatine's tower underwater.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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From Book of Sith:

Through the art of dark transfer, I will soon move myself to a younger body cloned from my own cells. I will achieve immortality. Even if I am killed, I will return from the chaos of nonbeing to restored physical life. This, even my Master could not achieve. I knew it was so when I halted this breathing and watched the light vanish from his eyes. He sought the secret of life, to live forever, but I took his life. I remain the ultimate Sith.

May easily mean nothing, although Rian Johnson referred to the Jedi book counterpart when he tweeted about Luke's Force ability in TLJ.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,932
Atlanta GA
Honestly if Kylo was anything like killmonger the resistance would've lost already. Now there's a man with resolve.
Killmonger was battle hardened and walked a difficult path for most of his life alone. Kylo Ren didn't fight in wars, he had two loving parents & an uncle and he wasn't cut off from his heritage. You couldn't find two villains more different from one another, why would we even want Kylo Ren to be like Killmonger?
 
Killmonger was battle hardened and walked a difficult path for most of his life alone. Kylo Ren didn't fight in wars, he had two loving parents & an uncle and he wasn't cut off from his heritage. You couldn't find two villains more different from one another, why would we even want Kylo Ren to be like Killmonger?
You can sympathise with Killmonger. You can't sympathise with Ben because, as you say, he had a great family and a comfortable life and he threw it all away to be dark and edgy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,932
Atlanta GA
You can sympathise with Killmonger. You can't sympathise with Ben because, as you say, he had a great family and a comfortable life and he threw it all away to be dark and edgy.
But his mind was twisted by Snoke's dark influence. Just saying they're different in very important ways, I like them both as villains and there's a reason Ren can't keep up the facade. That doesn't make him a bad character IMO.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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From Book of Sith:




May easily mean nothing, although Rian Johnson referred to the Jedi book counterpart when he tweeted about Luke's Force ability in TLJ.
It's definitely something they could pull back into canon in their own way if they wanted to. They say this movie will wrap up all the entire story from all three trilogies. If they really mean it then I assume it will have connective tissue to all three. Which leads me to wonder, what is still left to be wrapped up from the first two trilogies? What so far has not received a lot of attention?

The prequels are where we still find most of the questions, right? One of the most mysterious unelaborated plot points is Palpatine's relationship with Plagueis, and their studies into life and death. One of the biggest questions was Anakin's conception, heavily implied to be orchestrated by Sidious using as of yet unknown force powers. One of the most important moments was Anakin's choice to join Sidious, driven almost entirely by his offer to discover Plagueis' secret together, work which presumably continued on into the OT. And maybe not so coincidentally, one of the largest features of the prequel trilogy are clones, a project started offscreen in secrecy by Palpatine.

It feels like if you lay all of these things out on a table together and look at it as a whole, it appears that the biggest hanging threads are also the answers to Palpatine's return in TROS. It's possibly the same answer. Suddenly it feels like something is staring me in the face that I should have seen coming. All we need is one more movie to finally connect all those dots.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It has some really great moments, with the best director of performances and images the series has ever had, but the film's structure is a disaster zone. All the good things the Rey/Kylo/Luke sections are doing all constantly being pulled down by the mid-tier Battlestar Galactia episode with Poe/Laura Dern and the dramatically dire Finn/Rose parts. And most of the humor is just...bad, lol.
It reminding me of a BSG episode was precisely why I liked the Poe parts tbh lol

But yeah fuck all that Rose/Finn shit btw. Also I remember when they cast Benicio Del Toro and I thought he was gonna be some imposing dark side badass :(