- Oct 25, 2017
That's crazy haha
Through the art of dark transfer, I will soon move myself to a younger body cloned from my own cells. I will achieve immortality. Even if I am killed, I will return from the chaos of nonbeing to restored physical life. This, even my Master could not achieve. I knew it was so when I halted this breathing and watched the light vanish from his eyes. He sought the secret of life, to live forever, but I took his life. I remain the ultimate Sith.
Killmonger was battle hardened and walked a difficult path for most of his life alone. Kylo Ren didn't fight in wars, he had two loving parents & an uncle and he wasn't cut off from his heritage. You couldn't find two villains more different from one another, why would we even want Kylo Ren to be like Killmonger?
You can sympathise with Killmonger. You can't sympathise with Ben because, as you say, he had a great family and a comfortable life and he threw it all away to be dark and edgy.Killmonger was battle hardened and walked a difficult path for most of his life alone. Kylo Ren didn't fight in wars, he had two loving parents & an uncle and he wasn't cut off from his heritage. You couldn't find two villains more different from one another, why would we even want Kylo Ren to be like Killmonger?
But his mind was twisted by Snoke's dark influence. Just saying they're different in very important ways, I like them both as villains and there's a reason Ren can't keep up the facade. That doesn't make him a bad character IMO.
It's definitely something they could pull back into canon in their own way if they wanted to. They say this movie will wrap up all the entire story from all three trilogies. If they really mean it then I assume it will have connective tissue to all three. Which leads me to wonder, what is still left to be wrapped up from the first two trilogies? What so far has not received a lot of attention?
It reminding me of a BSG episode was precisely why I liked the Poe parts tbh lolIt has some really great moments, with the best director of performances and images the series has ever had, but the film's structure is a disaster zone. All the good things the Rey/Kylo/Luke sections are doing all constantly being pulled down by the mid-tier Battlestar Galactia episode with Poe/Laura Dern and the dramatically dire Finn/Rose parts. And most of the humor is just...bad, lol.
It wasn't just twisted by Snoke, even when he was in Leia's womb she sensed the darkside in him.
As far as whether this will actually happen, I really don’t think it’s so ridiculousOkay here's my pitch that's just fanfic but The Emperor coming back at this point is pretty much fanfic.
Luke comes back like Gandalf in some epic showdown against The Emperor while simultaneously Rey is fighting Kylo. Two masters, two apprentices, two generations, the final showdown.
It sounds ridiculous but once again, The Emperor is making a comeback so why not just go full circle and embrace the fantasy element of this space fantasy.
Yeah that’s exactly what TLJ was saying. Which makes some of the throwing up of hands over IX making returns and callbacks (with a story purpose unlike Hoth 2.0 etc in TLJ) a little weird.Kilmonger was only partially correct in that King T'Chaka, and rulers before him, were wrong to turn a blind eye to the suffering of black peoples around the world, but the movie roundly rejects the idea that Wakanda should resist systemic oppression thru violent uprising.
The message I took from TLJ is that you cannot escape your past by running and hiding (like Luke) or by burning it all down (like Kylo). The only way to grow beyond your mistakes is to face them head on and take the good with the bad.
I think that is how his character was written because in the audiobook of the novelization, the narrator also talks like Benicio.
This would be the dumbest fake out in the history of SW, and that's saying something.
They did a similar trailer speech fake out for Winter Solider with the Alexander Pierce character. This is JJ so its probably another misdirect like Finn with the light saber from all TFA marketing.
They're not gonna suddenly turn Kylo into the hero. Everything indicates that this is Rey's movie. It's a teaser trailer and Kylo's scenes probably lean on the spoilerly side so they're deep in the vault at this point.
I don't actually know why people think it's Rey anyway. Ben is already a Skywalker, except he's one that has tried very hard to "kill his past" and pretend he's someone else. It's more likely he simply accepts who he is and takes the Skywalker name for himself than Rey turns out to be Luke's daughter or something.
Yeah, that was my thought. Seems too obvious to refer to Rey but Ben/Kylo actually is a Skywalker.
At this point it's probably wise to just accept the fanservice and roll with it. I'm a fan of TLJ's much reviled "subversiveness", especially in regard to Luke's character, but I'm fully onboard with a more rollicking, adventurous final chapter that fully trades in on spectacle and nostalgic dramatics. We need catharsis after the dark and lore-focused TLJ and JJ's the man to bring it. Just thank the maker we dodged a Trevorrow-shaped bullet.Yeah, that was my thought. Seems too obvious to refer to Rey but Ben/Kylo actually is a Skywalker.
From a personal perspective I know it's only a trailer but I hope the final film isn't as fan service-ey as it implies. It's like a tick sheet of things the most vocal fans want to see. Here's Kylo fixing his mask, here's the death star, here's the emperor, here's Skywalker in the actual title.
I appreciate it's a teaser to get people excited but for me it's a shame that the work in TLJ to move the series somewhere different appears to be being pushed aside.
On a side note I saw the bit with Carrie Fisher in but sub-consciously didn't twig that obviously it's been done after her death!