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Star Wars In-Production Films |OT| May the Spoilers Be With You
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Oh! Maybe my favourite pet theory will come true after all: That Han actually switched on the lightsaber to kill himself and stop his son short of committing patricide. THIS is why Kylo says thank you and is so conflicted afterwards.
Wow. BTW: Against all hope I am hoping the Luke resurrection is true.
Yeah I remember liking that theory. And there is enough leeway in the scene to read it that way.
The killing of Han is one of the major impediments to audiences being able to accept a Kylo Ren redemption. However, people also tend to forget the murder of the Jakku village civilians. That's probably the act that makes the idea totally unpalatable to me. Even Vader didn't directly kill innocents in the OT.
You're not wrong. People do forget (and forgive?) the killing of nameless civilians and we shouldn't.. But they forgave Vader Alderaan (not Tarkin, though) so we'll see.
In any case, I find the rumours quite exciting.
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/04/...in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-plays-out/
So it looks like Matt Smith is the possessed host body of Palpatine. Rey and Kylo kill him. Palpatine takes over Kylo and Rey kills Kylo.
So it looks like Matt Smith is the possessed host body of Palpatine. Rey and Kylo kill him. Palpatine takes over Kylo and Rey kills Kylo.
OP
OP
Ah, so JJ decided to copy the plot of the final episodes of Transformers Energon this time.
"Rey and Kylo clash, as they battle the backgrounds change into places throughout all 9 episodes."
This I could visually see being very very cool.
This I could visually see being very very cool.
something like this?
spoiler for japanese Star Wars
i'm fine with it.
The question is: what background music will they use? Luke/the force theme variation? Obi Wan theme variation?
Man this 4chan rumor predates the teaser and Jason Wards reports about MacGuffins and Matt Smith by months...
https://reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/bj7u3j/old_4chan_leak_could_potentially_be_legit/
https://reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/bj7u3j/old_4chan_leak_could_potentially_be_legit/
That's fucking dumb. (but so is everything else about ep9)Man this 4chan rumor predates the teaser and Jason Wards reports about MacGuffins and Matt Smith by months...
https://reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/bj7u3j/old_4chan_leak_could_potentially_be_legit/
Would be my take. Of course, if all this "Palpatine possession" stuff ends up being true, perhaps it could be argued that all along, Sheev was influencing Ben since his conception. If so, then the guy may not have had much choice in who he became in the first place, with how Leia said she felt a darkness surrounding her son even within her womb.
Either way, I'm certainly here for this movie shaping up to make the new trilogy truly be a "new take" on Dark Empire, in full.
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If it's true it clearly wasn't planned in advance, in the force awakens book Snoke talks about Palpatine's failure if I remember correctly.
Do we consider the books content absent from the movies canon?
Do we consider the books content absent from the movies canon?
Go back and rewatch all of the snoke scenes from VIII and IX with this rumor in mind. It fits perfectly with his characterization. Even a lot of his lines feel like vague breadcrumbs about his true identity. "I cannot be beaten" well yeah, if you can just keep resurrecting yourself over and over then you probably do see yourself as unbeatable, especially since he's proved it to himself already.Man this 4chan rumor predates the teaser and Jason Wards reports about MacGuffins and Matt Smith by months...
https://reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/bj7u3j/old_4chan_leak_could_potentially_be_legit/
The idea of Snoke actually just being Palpatine in another form is one of the oldest theories. While predictable... it still fits, and we know they are treating IX not only as the last film in a trilogy but of nine films... how better could that be achieved than by something like this? To all the people out there hating on this approach, I'd like to hear what better ideas if you have to accomplish the same end if it bothers you so much. Because it's a perfect fit.
They clearly setup Snoke to be vague enough to where they could retrofit whatever they wanted into his backstory. He could be just a Palpatine clone/body or he could be something entirely new. But with JJ's mystery box style, he pretty much left it blank with that solution as one of the options in case they couldn't come up with something more satisfying, and it seems like they probably didn't.
This all feels like the most plausible rumor so far and fits with all of the more vetted leaks. If it's accurate, what immediately comes to mind is how does this have any bearing on the film's title, does it help us to learn what the title is trying to imply?
Here's a theory... if palpatine really is jumping into other bodies when the need arises, this may tell us all we need to know about Anakin's origin, when you consider we have strong evidence that Palpatine himself probably had a hand in his conception. Anakin may all along have been intended as a backup body for Palpatine. Palps dies by whatever means, just takes over Anakin's body, then goes on to find another new apprentice to replace Anakin, who probably is another one of Palpatine's seeds as well. Which leads me to... Rey. If Palpatine is just creating all of these force users as potential bodies... this in effect makes Palpatine not just the father of Anakin... but possibly the father of Rey... and by extension this means Rey is a Skywalker if the Skywalker bloodline comes from Palpatine. "Rise of Skywalker" hmmmm 🤔
Snoke was likely created in the same manner as Anakin... and Matt Smith's character as well. This still leaves a ton of questions... like what exactly is the process by which he enters other bodies... does he have to draw them to his anchor point (which looks like it is currently somewhere in the death star II's ruins)
I actually do find all of this to have great potential to be satisfying and feel like a very well-rounded end to the saga.
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Man this 4chan rumor predates the teaser and Jason Wards reports about MacGuffins and Matt Smith by months...
https://reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/bj7u3j/old_4chan_leak_could_potentially_be_legit/
Well, Abrams is a big MacGuffin / 'mystery box' fan (I believe he even did a talk about that) so it doesnt seem far fetched.
TLJ contradicted the TFA novelization as Rey and Poe met in the TFA novelizations. Pablo Hidalgo when someone asked about that said when it comes to novelizations of tv/film media the on scree. versions take precedent over novelizations.
This is all great.Man this 4chan rumor predates the teaser and Jason Wards reports about MacGuffins and Matt Smith by months...
https://reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/bj7u3j/old_4chan_leak_could_potentially_be_legit/
Going back and watching TLJ knowing
Snoke is Palpatine
I thought maybe the artifact was the Vader mask, but it's probably on the DSII.
And wow, Rian Johnson really ran a tighter ship for controlling leaks. The leaks here have been major.
Spoiler for what happens afterwards with Kylo if it hasn't already been posted:
It sounds like he may be resurrected somehow. Either him or Luke.
I saw this post on Reddit kinda doing some filling in of the rumors. Credit NumeralJoker over there:
It's a damn good write up. And makes everything way more connected than I ever thought they'd manage.
It's a damn good write up. And makes everything way more connected than I ever thought they'd manage.
Yeah, if the rumors pan out then JJ seems to have done as good of a job as you could hope for of threading the needle here.
It would be interesting if Kylo was only teaming up with Rey because he doesn't want to lose his power.
But I do think they're going for rebirth as Ben Solo.
One of VII's biggest issues when watching it immediately after VI is it feels like Snoke just comes out of nowhere as Palpatine 2.0, him actually being Palpatine solves this.
Matt Smith will be so good as possessed Palpatine. 2:20
If I'm being honest, I don't like Snoke getting posthumously explained in Episode IX in this fashion and I don't Bendemption either.
But it's Star Wars, it's Abrams, and I'll learn to love it.
But it's Star Wars, it's Abrams, and I'll learn to love it.
Just caught up to all the leaks.
I'm not happy about Finn/Rey not happening anymore period. Like TLJ showed it first yes, but now its double confirmed lol.
That really took a chunk of excitement I had for the ST but I'm here so I'll finish the saga cause I'm still hyped for TRoS.
Now the Force Flash fight rumor sounds like the perfect opportunity to bring in some locations from previous movies in. The leak goes into that detail, but it would be so cool to see PT locations.
I just really need Hayden to be in this movie. Ewan too but at least give me Anakin! Just give me that JJ!
I'm not happy about Finn/Rey not happening anymore period. Like TLJ showed it first yes, but now its double confirmed lol.
That really took a chunk of excitement I had for the ST but I'm here so I'll finish the saga cause I'm still hyped for TRoS.
Now the Force Flash fight rumor sounds like the perfect opportunity to bring in some locations from previous movies in. The leak goes into that detail, but it would be so cool to see PT locations.
I just really need Hayden to be in this movie. Ewan too but at least give me Anakin! Just give me that JJ!
Seems like the TROS Art Book cover confirms some stuff MSW leaked/talked about.
I really love everything we've heard about the movie so far.
I did a spoilerboard and I'm frequently keeping it updated with fresh, usually reliable sources (mostly MSW, and the trustful source of a r/StarWarsLeaks mod who has proofs).
The "force flash" fights, more info here
I did a spoilerboard and I'm frequently keeping it updated with fresh, usually reliable sources (mostly MSW, and the trustful source of a r/StarWarsLeaks mod who has proofs).
Here it is. I hope you'll enjoy it !
It's up to the acting to sell it. Don't think we have to worry there.
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/05/...cess-leia-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/
Flashback scene post-ROTJ with Luke and Leia. Bille Lourd playing Leia as a stand-in. Sounds like a scene about why Leia never learned the ways of the Jedi.
Flashback scene post-ROTJ with Luke and Leia. Bille Lourd playing Leia as a stand-in. Sounds like a scene about why Leia never learned the ways of the Jedi.
Great, I was saying last year I hoped they would have Billie Lourd as a stand in.
I think I heard about this scene rumoured months ago though, I thought I may have even heard that it had already been filmed with Carrie.
Making Star Wars just dropped a Patreon exclusive pod this morning. I am listening right now. Ward says he hears Rey is indeed Han's daughter and it's revealed in TROS. My goodness. This is going to set the Internet on fire once it spreads.
Man there is some crazy details in this. He said his understanding Kylo/Ben *KNEW* she was the entire time. JJ going with Kylo lied huh.
Star Wars Leaks guy who has a track record says he has heard the same. Oh myyyyyy.
JJ...JJ you better fucking nail this if you are going to do this.
JJ...JJ you better fucking nail this if you are going to do this.
It's intriguing Ward think Leia is unaware, Han was likely unaware Rey was his daughter, but Kylo somehow knew.
Only thing I can think of is when Kylo did his kind read thing in TFA he was able to figure it out via the Force?
Calling Rey's parents nobody drunks...kind of works from "a certain point of view" for Han. Oh god.
Only thing I can think of is when Kylo did his kind read thing in TFA he was able to figure it out via the Force?
Calling Rey's parents nobody drunks...kind of works from "a certain point of view" for Han. Oh god.
Ward says it's not Leias kid. Han and Leia broke up and Han went off and did his smuggling thing on his own for a while. He seems pretty confident Kylo knew the truth.
Sounds like JJ went full Jon Snow. The bastard child being the true heir and chosen one by the Force, not the one of royal lineage.
He mentions in the pod there are flashback scenes about this with Harrison Ford. A couple scenes with Ford in the movie sounds like?
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