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Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order - Official Reveal Trailer (EA/Respawn, November 15, 2019, PS4/XB1/PC) [Read Staff Post]
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It's not really a meaningful distinction. In-engine cutscenes can look significantly better than gameplay and the end result often looks better than CG because of the lack of artifacting/stylistic differences when coming from gameplay. Obviously the latter is not super relevant for a trailer, but when people are calling it CG they just mean "not gameplay' because the distinction between in engine cutscene and CG is pretty irrelevant.
Was it just me or does the jacket that the protagonist is wearing at the beginning look exactly like the one Norman Reedus' character wears in Death Stranding?
When you want to be inclusive yet still boil everything down to stereotypes.
you said Rockstar has never had to deal with people criticizing their choice of protagonist before, and then said they did
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It's almost like there's plenty of choices for good characters in games that are white and male and really little amount for ones that are PoC or female or LGBT or even *shock* an intersting combo of them?? If they can write an "interesting" white male character what was stopping them make that character a women or poc or LGBT?
So you weren't implying that there are no other good white male characters this gen has "blessed us with"?
The implication is not that the character is boring, but that the choice of white male is boring
but knowing Rockstar they don't care what people think of their characters and it doesn't sway them in any way. GTA 6 could have 3 white guys if that is what Rockstar wants to do, and their do it and they know the game is going to sell alot either way
I honestly think this quietly informs part of why people do still have sentiment for those films, certainly the era they're set in at least. They opened floodgates on actually seeing one's self as a Jedi, and while it wasn't exactly the actual ideal such should be, it legitimised having options at least, compared to the material previously available.
And that I admittedly think also informs why our protagonist here sticks out like something of a sore thumb. Having new Star Wars games and media all over the place in the 00s made it easier to find such options if one wanted them; they weren't always of the highest quality, but they were there, and the quality options were often noted for the variety they could offer players. But since the Disney buyout, the options for characters you can play - particularly in the vein of the Jedi fantasy - shrank. In the current Battlefront II, the only force and/or lightsaber users that aren't white are aliens. So within that particular niche... Yeah, our new guy, however great (or terrible) might be, is more of the same.
Ya exactly, why bother? They hype this premier for a week talking about this big reveal and we get nothing.
A whole lot of nothing.
but in fairness i have to ask you, are we allowed to criticize that criticism?
So choice of looks cannot be criticized? One has to judge the whole character?
Here's a thing, you can have the same character with boring looks, or interesting looks, or weird looks. Shit, you can gender-flip many, many characters without anything changing (obviously there are stories where that logically matters, but this probably isn't one).
Maybe the protagonist in this game is interesting character. But we can't really know that yet, so i highly doubt anyone's saying anything about that yet. Instead, why 20-something white young guy? Especially with that typical fresh-face looks?
Why not someone grizzled and grimy? Why not someone pushing 50? Or a cyborg?
Or just, like, add mustache at least. Would be a lot better than nothing.
EDIT Well, as long as it ain't the bald space marine type, we've seen enough of those.
I disagree with this. Pre-rendered footage vs in-game capture is completely different.
You're afford many luxuries with pre-rendered like turning of LODs, maxing texture resolutions and lighting complexity to name a few. Some even use completely different assets.
and they'll likely get the same amount of criticism as this game
are you saying people can't criticize things that sell well?
That is completely fair. What I see people take issue with is that the character being white and male automatically means it's a bad character
I'm honestly really confused about what your point is. Is Rockstar having a 100% white male protagonist track record a good thing?
I agree. I thought the trailer was pretty cool and the bullet points listed in the OP sound awesome.
It's like a rule that every Star Wars thread needs to be filled with toxic waste. I would absolutely hate to work on this franchise, ever.
Underwhelming.
Single player games need some gameplay thrown in there upon reveal like GOW, Spider-Man, Days Gone etc for me. Find that more interesting.
Single player games need some gameplay thrown in there upon reveal like GOW, Spider-Man, Days Gone etc for me. Find that more interesting.
I dont understand why you are getting so upset about this ? Most people just arent hyped about the MC.
Its not like people are boycotting Respawn/EA or burning their EA games.
Its a combination of a couple of factors for most people - doubt most people would even comment on the MC if we had gotten some kickass gameplay trailer...but from what we have seen, he is gonna be the focus of the initial trailer convo.
Cant fucking wait.
Its Canon, set after order 66, you play as a padawan just trying to survive, a female inquisitor hunting you down, it's got a decent team behind it, its fucking star wars, and God Damn if that music doesn't give me goosebumps......super hype.
Its Canon, set after order 66, you play as a padawan just trying to survive, a female inquisitor hunting you down, it's got a decent team behind it, its fucking star wars, and God Damn if that music doesn't give me goosebumps......super hype.
no? im saying that the Housers do the characters they want to do. is that a bad thing?
Maybe that's their plan all along. Market it in such a way that it gives away nothing, underwhelm, and then blow people away with a proper gameplay trailer at E3. Reminds me of the CoD teasers that upset people by not showing gameplay, and then when the MP (and sometimes SP) trailers are revealed, people go nuts.
Star Wars "flavor" is overused and super simple at this point. I don't want to be beaten over the head with it. Seeing areas we haven't explored is cool. The idea that this guy works in a salvage yard is cool. Give me more grime and everyday life in the universe, because the movies are failing spectacularly at that.
Sure, but often those improvements are undercut by compression artifacts to make those prerendered scenes fit on a disc, or them being scaled up past 1080p like on the Pro/X/PCs so they look worse overall. Even in engine cutscenes look a LOT better than actual in-game footage because you can do all the things you mentioned, just not quite to the extremes of prerendered but at least a lot higher than in game settings.
I agree that pre-rendered vs in game are massively different, but the post you quoted of mine didn't say otherwise. In-engine != In-game.
it's almost amazing how you suck out the fun outta of anything and everything ERA, you people sound really fun at parties
anyways, i hope the game is not too linear, maybe have some levels like in uncharted 4 where you feel some sense of actual freedom
anyways, i hope the game is not too linear, maybe have some levels like in uncharted 4 where you feel some sense of actual freedom
so by continuing to criticize what I want to criticize, I am in a sense the "Rockstar" of ResetEra
Fuck off with these CG trailers. I would rather you announce it, maybe some screenshots, and only show it when you have something to show. I play games, not CG. This trailer did nothing for me.
well.. i guess so, although maybe not as successful
sorry i kid
Seems like a rushed trailer, those parts at the end are Very crude, i think EA pushed the reveal too.
I mean it's far from a dumpster fire, just underwhelming.
But we still need to see it in action.
I fail to see how being "canon" in the current SW universe contex is any kind of a positive. All the interesting stuff got shuffled off into legends with just the bare bones being canon now.
I'd rather play the inquisitor honestly.
Who care's about a female sith villain? we've had plenty of those.
It's decreased my excitement for it cus I enjoy seeing diverse characters, and as a women myself I prefer playing women characters. I find white, male character, especially leads, more boring as I've seen it so often. The character may still be well-written and interesting but it's very likely they could have had the same background and personality for the character if they made them a women or PoC.
