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Star Wars |OT2| This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them! [NO IX SPOILERS]

Oct 25, 2017
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I dunno why people are jumping to that conclusion when RJ has said himself he's still working on his own movies. This is only one film.
I think I laid my reasoning pretty well in both posts.

Looking at what we now know, I don't think RJ was lying, plans just changed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think I laid my reasoning pretty well in both posts.

Looking at what we now know, I don't think RJ was lying, plans just changed.
I mean

He said like what two months ago that he's still working on his projects. We have absolutely no reason to believe he's suddenly been dropped or that his movies aren't happening.

Like I said, we're talking about a single D&D movie, not a series of films. So we have no reason to believe their projects will cover all the way through 2030 with no RJ film in between.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I mean

He said like what two months ago that he's still working on his projects. We have absolutely no reason to believe he's suddenly been dropped or that his movies aren't happening.

Like I said, we're talking about a single D&D movie, not a series of films. So we have no reason to believe their projects will cover all the way through 2030 with no RJ film in between.
We know there's more than one D&D film and there is no more room for in betweens because of Avatar, Avatar IS the in between.

For RJ's trilogy, D&D's multiple films and Avatar, we're talking about going into 2030.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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We know there's more than one D&D film and there is no more room for in betweens because of Avatar, Avatar IS the in between.

For RJ's trilogy, D&D's multiple films and Avatar, we're talking about going into 2030.
Not a single report is saying anything about D&D having consecutive releases. We're talking about a single film. Do we really think the next decade starting in 2023 is literally going to only be D&D movies? RJ was just dead wrong about working on his own films when he rebuffed rumors basically weeks ago?

People need to take a step back and calm down with the speculation until we have concrete information that contradicts RJ's statements.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Do you really think there are going to be four years between installments of each person's series?
I'm saying we don't know if we're getting consecutive releases from D&D, we don't even know what it is they're working on.. if it's going to be a trilogy, alternating with other SW films.. nothing.

So until we get more info, like I said above. RJ says he's still working on his movies. I'm gunna trust that over wild speculation.
 
Oct 25, 2017
22,536
Not a single report is saying anything about D&D having consecutive releases. We're talking about a single film. Do we really think the next decade starting in 2023 is literally going to only be D&D movies? RJ was just dead wrong about working on his own films when he rebuffed rumors basically weeks ago?
If it's not consecutive releases then it looks like this:

2021: Avatar 2
2022: SW D&D
2023: Avatar 3
2024: SW RJ
2025: Avatar 4
2026: SW D&D 2

Does it make sense to you that the next D&D movie would be in 2026? That the second part of RJ's trilogy would be in 2028? A full four years after the first? If there's only two D&D movies then RJ's trilogy would end in 2030. 2030.

I said RJ wasn't mistaken or lying but this schedule is just not realistic, the plans must have changed since then. Either RJ and D&D's movies are one or there isn't a written and directed RJ trilogy.

I'm gunna trust that over wild speculation.
It's not wild speculation, just realistic.

I don't want it to be true, you know I don't, but this schedule just doesn't make any sense and doesn't allow for two series.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Sadly, because it makes sense knowing what we know now.
Yeah, this is what I’ve been saying for a couple weeks now.

I’ve never watched a single episode of Game of Thrones and I’m pretty excited for what they have coming unless a lot of other people here though.

Why couldn’t more people have gone to watch Solo.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Still sticking with my prediction that Rian is going to direct the first one with him sharing co-writing credits with D&D.

Then hes out. LF loss I guess.
 
Oct 25, 2017
17,981
USA
If it's not consecutive releases then it looks like this:

2021: Avatar 2
2022: SW D&D
2023: Avatar 3
2024: SW RJ
2025: Avatar 4
2026: SW D&D 2

Does it make sense to you that the next D&D movie would be in 2026? That the second part of RJ's trilogy would be in 2028? A full four years after the first? If there's only two D&D movies then RJ's trilogy would end in 2030. 2030.

I said RJ wasn't mistaken or lying but this schedule is just not realistic, the plans must have changed since then. Either RJ and D&D's movies are one or there isn't a written and directed RJ trilogy.
Like I said, I don't know what the schedule is going to look like, all I know is what RJ said, which is not an ancient statement by any means. So until we have more information on what's happening with his projects, I would abstain from jumping to conclusions.
 
Oct 25, 2017
22,536
Still sticking with my prediction that Rian is going to direct the first one with him sharing co-writing credits with D&D.

Then hes out. LF loss I guess.
Yeah, if RJ is still onboard for something then it will be helping D&D with the first movie be it co-writing or just directing. It could be possible that he sticks around to do others but we're no longer going to get a D&D series of films AND a Rian Johnson's lead trilogy. It's literally impossible with the schedule Disney has set.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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We know there's more than one D&D film and there is no more room for in betweens because of Avatar, Avatar IS the in between.

For RJ's trilogy, D&D's multiple films and Avatar, we're talking about going into 2030.
You're assuming D&D's films will be released in succession.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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USA
No, I'm not.

Read the post above, if it's not in succession then it even makes less sense.
For all we know, they're initially doing a one off film, if plans are changing as much as they are. The information very clearly says the first FILM is going to be D&D. RJ says he's still working on his projects. I think, if they were doing consecutive films, a trilogy or whatever else that ends up being connected narratively, we would have gotten a FILMS or series, or trilogy, not just singular.

Which is why I keep saying to wait and see instead of doom and glooming shit.

We know Solo shook the fuck out of Disney/LF. But if RJ's work isn't coming and in fact his shit got canned, cancelled or delayed, I doubt he would have clearly and directly rebuffed the earlier rumors like he did.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sure MSW is already on the damn case.
This is what MSW previously reported:

“Most signs have pointed towards David Benioff and D.B. Weiss’ trilogy being the first of the new films to hit. While there’s always a chance we could see two trilogies launching at the same time, it seems highly unlikely and it was suggested by Kathleen Kennedy at the last Star Wars Celebration that Rian Johnson was assisting the Game of Thrones show runners with their work which is likely a huge clue as to what has been prioritized and suggests that Rian Johnson’s trilogy isn’t dead but rather without a release window or will begin as late as 2028.”

https://makingstarwars.net/2019/05/...xt-three-star-wars-films-and-indiana-jones-5/
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Which is why I keep saying to wait and see instead of doom and glooming shit.
I did wait and see, just the other day I was talking about KK’s recent meeting and had hope that RJ’s trilogy was happening.

I can’t look at that schedule, what Bob said today, and convince myself that somehow two series are gonna happen. It makes no sense. It’s not wild speculation, it’s not doom and gloom, it’s looking at a schedule that physically does not allow for there to be two series. It just doesn’t.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I did wait and see, just the other day I was talking about KK’s recent meeting and had hope that RJ’s trilogy was happening.

I can’t look at that schedule, what Bob said today, and convince myself that somehow two series are gonna happen. It makes no sense. It’s not wild speculation, it’s not doom and gloom, it’s looking at a schedule that physically does not allow for there to be two series. It just doesn’t.
If they're doing every consecutive SW film (or at least the next three), why is it being reported that they're doing the first film and not films? And why is RJ casually rebuffing rumors that his work is cancelled? Why is MSW still insisting that his projects haven't been cancelled?

Again, we have no official word on how their work is going to be done. Assuming the only possibility for all of these projects as getting two series is already speculation by definition, because we don't know their plans, what has changed, who is working on what, etc.

YouTubers and bloggers immediately began declaring that these announced films could only be the highly anticipated series being written and produced by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, the producers of the mega-hit TV series Game of Thrones.
From MSW, arguing that RJ's trilogy has not been cancelled, just yeseterday. And today all we get is that ONE of the next three films is D&D.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I find it hard to believe that Iger would put 3 SW films on the schedule, then officially announce ONE is D&D if it's a consecutive trilogy or consecutive releases (by making the distinction that it's the FIRST film). That doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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England
Didnt Rian say like 2 weeks ago he's still working on Star Wars
And didn't Kennedy say he's still working on Star Wars like 2 weeks before that?

Yall gotta relax
I'll relax if you let us know what the upcoming FromSoftware project is! :p

the best I can hope for (again, I know im probably just reacting in crisis mode) is that those 2 dudes wanted to be done with the thankless task of completing the behemoth saga that thrones is and has become, and may have some spark for a new project, but then i remember they wanted to do that shit confederacy show.
Yeeeeppp. In isolation, these last few seasons can be explained by them being overwhelmed by overtaking the books (although that doesn't excuse the abundance of shoddy writing), but factor in Confederate and things start to look quite worrying.

If Rian's films are indeed cancelled, I'd personally be quite content to not have any more movies for a while. Keep the animated and live--action Disney+ shows coming, but ease off on the movies for a decade.
 

Quinton

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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The Research Triangle
On the one hand I'm once again beating myself up over the decision to venture into any Star Wars thread besides this one.

On the other, I just had the opportunity to politely ask someone why exactly Star Wars needs a decade off from theatrical releases. Hopefully I'll at least get an answer to a question that truly boggles my mind.
 

SELIG

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
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anyways, this year is gonna be great with new Resistance, Mandalorian, great books, and Ep 9. oh that video game may be ok too. then we can have 3 years (fucking unbelievable) to absorb even more new star wars tv shows so thats all good.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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One thing I am sure of, Rian's not doing a trilogy that starts in 2028. That's completely unrealistic.
I agree. Rian was tapped to write his trilogy before TLJ came out. There's no way there's going to be a decade in-between Rian first starting work on it and the first film coming out. Even 2024 seems like too far out. He's not going to wait around for 5 years, he'll direct other stuff like Knives Out, but then what if the scheduling with one of these other commitments doesn't work around Star Wars?

I'm inclined to think it's one of these scenarios:
a) Rian is out, D&D's trilogy is what was dated for 2022, 24, 26
b) the projects have merged in some way -- maybe Rian is co-writing D&D's film(s) and/or directing one of them
c) Rian's films will be released in undated spots (May?) in the odd-numbered years marked for Avatar

And I think that's probably in order of likelihood too. Just don't see a situation where Rian's trilogy is 5-10 years away.
 
Oct 25, 2017
22,536
I'm inclined to think it's one of these scenarios:
a) Rian is out, D&D's trilogy is what was dated for 2022, 24, 26
b) the projects have merged in some way -- maybe Rian is co-writing D&D's film(s) and/or directing one of them
c) Rian's films will be released in undated spots (May?) in the odd-numbered years marked for Avatar
A and B are the most likely scenarios while I don't think C is possible since they would've announced them with the rest of their slate. It would seem weird for Disney to release that schedule only for them to then update it with more Star Wars films. SW's scheduling seems to be a very important thing to them, so them slatting in more Star Wars films after all of this seems haphazardly.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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And yet no one knows why they only announced one film opposed to simply confirming that D&D are doing more of those already slotted, still mysterious SW films
 
Oct 27, 2017
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A and B are the most likely scenarios while I don't think C is possible since they would've announced them with the rest of their slate. It would seem weird for Disney to release that schedule only for them to then update it with more Star Wars films. SW's scheduling seems to be a very important thing to them, so them slatting in more Star Wars films after all of this seems haphazardly.
I basically agree, which is why I put it last haha. I don't think it's totally impossible -- they've changed the release dates for every one of the ST films after all -- but I do think it's unlikely they'll drop Star Wars in summer again in those off years after Solo.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I basically agree, which is why I put it last haha. I don't think it's totally impossible -- they've changed the release dates for every one of the ST films after all -- but I do think it's unlikely they'll drop Star Wars in summer again in those off years after Solo.
Yeah, I think Solo really shook Bob Iger, so he never wants a repeat of that.

Things would look VERY different right now if Solo had released in December and had a normal marketing push out.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,569
England
On the other, I just had the opportunity to politely ask someone why exactly Star Wars needs a decade off from theatrical releases. Hopefully I'll at least get an answer to a question that truly boggles my mind.
I share this viewpoint if Rian's movies are cancelled. To announce the slate of upcoming SW films and not have any of them be Rian's would be a clear sign that the toxic side of the fandom successfully hounded and harried a talented man away from Star Wars. A bunch of online trolls would have prevailed and caused LucasFilm to alter their publicly announced plans. Bad people doing bad things for bad reasons would've won, and I'd sooner have LF not announce any new films for a while then have LF announce (be it directly or indirectly) that more films are coming but Rian is out.
 

janusff

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,414
Austin, TX
On the one hand I'm once again beating myself up over the decision to venture into any Star Wars thread besides this one.

On the other, I just had the opportunity to politely ask someone why exactly Star Wars needs a decade off from theatrical releases. Hopefully I'll at least get an answer to a question that truly boggles my mind.
Lol. The real answer is that SW doesn’t need 10 years off. Honestly, with the films we’ve gotten since Disney, it felt like we were just getting started. Felt that way for me probably because of all the stuff you can explore with the SW universe. There’s so much history and time periods, nevermind the amount of characters. They could even explore different genres of films kinda what the MCU is doing, maybe make a western or a samurai film or horror or political thriller. There’s so much you can do with Star Wars. Hopefully they branch out and get some projects lined up.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, I think Solo really shook Bob Iger, so he never wants a repeat of that.

Things would look VERY different right now if Solo had released in December and had a normal marketing push out.
While that's probably true, I'm not sure how much better the picture looks if Solo goes up against Aquaman and loses that box office race either.

I can't remember if it was Kennedy or Iger who said they made a mistake releasing Solo so soon after TLJ. But either way, as long as there are Star Wars films dropping at Christmas, there aren't going to be other Star Wars dropping in the summers five months later anymore. Which takes 2023, 25, and 27 off the table I would think. Although I really can't imagine they won't have something out at least for 2027...it'll be the 50th anniversary!
 
Oct 31, 2017
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I agree. Rian was tapped to write his trilogy before TLJ came out. There's no way there's going to be a decade in-between Rian first starting work on it and the first film coming out. Even 2024 seems like too far out. He's not going to wait around for 5 years, he'll direct other stuff like Knives Out, but then what if the scheduling with one of these other commitments doesn't work around Star Wars?

I'm inclined to think it's one of these scenarios:
a) Rian is out, D&D's trilogy is what was dated for 2022, 24, 26
b) the projects have merged in some way -- maybe Rian is co-writing D&D's film(s) and/or directing one of them
c) Rian's films will be released in undated spots (May?) in the odd-numbered years marked for Avatar

And I think that's probably in order of likelihood too. Just don't see a situation where Rian's trilogy is 5-10 years away.
A and B are the most likely scenarios while I don't think C is possible since they would've announced them with the rest of their slate. It would seem weird for Disney to release that schedule only for them to then update it with more Star Wars films. SW's scheduling seems to be a very important thing to them, so them slatting in more Star Wars films after all of this seems haphazardly.
I think "C" is out given Disney's pivot after the Solo bomba. They are not releasing a SW movie every year.

I think an option would be for RJ to have moved to the 3rd Disney+ series.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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After Solo, there's no way they put another Star Wars film in the spring. All of this is happening because of Solo's performance, they want to stick to December.

And if it was coming later then, I dunno, I can't see RJ working on Star Wars until 2030 or something.

I'm one of the biggest RJ fanboys on here, it honestly feels like a kick in the balls for his movies to not happen, but there's no way we get a written and directed RJ trilogy anymore.
You can't take the schedule as evidence that there are no other slots for potential SW movies. Unless you think the MCU is about to dry up then we already know for a fact that the schedule does not offer a complete window of all potential plans. beyond the next two years or so.

This is just Disney staking their claim to important dates to them to scare other studios off. Fail to place a major IP in the coveted pre-Christmas slot and some other studio is going to swoop in with one of their own titles.