Anybody remember this JJ interview?
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I'm telling y'all, they should have started the film with the flashback scene with Leia telling Luke that she's gonna have Ben and has to stop training, like they originally were planning to do.
Would have helped to pave that Bendemption road.
I agree, Then again, I also think if the movie was about 30 minutes longer it would of helped set up the stakes a bit more.
Not that I didn't mind Bendemption. I thought it was fine..if predictable. (The shrug we got was kinda worth it imo)
That was the one of the few times I threw my hands up in the theater and went "Oh okay then."
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Hello Star Wars fans!
I'm a very casual Star Wars fan that is maybe interested in learning more about it.
I've watched The Phantom Menace through The Last Jedi exactly one time each, and have played KOTOR, KOTOR 2, and Jedi: Fallen Order.
I also watched Rogue One but kinda bounced off it as I felt I didn't know enough about the universe to really appreciate it.
Any advice where to go next?
Is it worth reading the books, or should I just pretend they don't exist?
I'm a very casual Star Wars fan that is maybe interested in learning more about it.
I've watched The Phantom Menace through The Last Jedi exactly one time each, and have played KOTOR, KOTOR 2, and Jedi: Fallen Order.
I also watched Rogue One but kinda bounced off it as I felt I didn't know enough about the universe to really appreciate it.
Any advice where to go next?
Is it worth reading the books, or should I just pretend they don't exist?
Well, it depends on what you like(d) about the movies/games that you've experienced so far. Do you want more Jedi stuff? Or more average people, like Rebels on missions against the Empire?
There are a lot of good shows, books, and comics out there but it's very broad.
Hmm...
I do like the "average people stuff". I like stories of normal people having to deal with crazy situations.
I like Obi-wan.
I like interesting villains.
I think the Skywalkers are pretty boring, all in all. Chosen one narratives are probably my least favorite genre trope.
I'd skip the comics and books for now. Go and give Clone Wars and Rebels a shot. It'll be solid first steps into the expanded universe and many of the characters their are some of the more popular expanded universe ones. Helps enhance stuff like Fallen Order and Rogue One too
Started playing Fallen Order. I literally don't get the game. I don't know what it is, but I can't grasp it all. I'm functionally still in the tutorial on the second lowest difficulty and I'm just dying over and over.
Also, it takes way too fucking long to load after dying.
Also, it takes way too fucking long to load after dying.
maybe, but superhero comics and Star Wars (other than sorta TLJ) have always been primarily about those things. If anything, Abrams approach to this stuff isn't really an outlier of any sort.
I went from the second highest down to Story difficulty and played the rest like that (and loved it). Story isn't a badge of shame. And yes, load times after death are terrible.
With the upcoming season 7 of Clone Wars, is it likely that Disney will release a complete season collection on Bluray? Maybe even 4K? It's difficult to get a hold of the later seasons where I am. The Blurays are incredibly expensive, I have gathered.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Disney (like most of the industry, unfortunately) has been moving away from home video for a couple years, and Clone Wars is being positioned as a big marquee title for Disney+ along with the past seasons.
Star Wars Rebels never got a complete series blu-ray and Resistance didn't get any blu-ray release.
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And they didn't even release Season 6 on Blu-Ray here. I had to import it from Germany where it was released for some reason.
Since the original assets weren't made at 4k I am not sure there would be a ton of benefit in the earlier seasons.
Guys I can't seem to get over this movie. Help me
How could Disney let its last movie go out like this? Why start over with Abrams and Terrio with such a short production? Guess Abrams simply did not want to work off someone else's script. How do you make Rey a Palpatine in the third movie? How do you literally write your movie around unused footage of Carrie from 2015?
How do you just say Palpatine was pulling the strings the whole time and not explain anything about his return? How do you make Snoke a clone? How does Adam Driver not speak for the last 40 min? How do you do so many of these things?
How do you have the emperor kill Rey's parents like he anticipated her taking REVENGE on him but don't give her story any real temptation to do evil???
How could Disney let its last movie go out like this? Why start over with Abrams and Terrio with such a short production? Guess Abrams simply did not want to work off someone else's script. How do you make Rey a Palpatine in the third movie? How do you literally write your movie around unused footage of Carrie from 2015?
How do you just say Palpatine was pulling the strings the whole time and not explain anything about his return? How do you make Snoke a clone? How does Adam Driver not speak for the last 40 min? How do you do so many of these things?
How do you have the emperor kill Rey's parents like he anticipated her taking REVENGE on him but don't give her story any real temptation to do evil???
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I don't want them to make a complete Clone Wars set because I don't want to feel compelled to replace my 1-5 set that I love.
Best Buy Canada briefly put both the Skywalker Saga and the Rise of Skywalker steelbook up on their site before Christmas. As far as I can tell, you couldn't actually order the Saga set at the time but I did manage to order the steelbook. Shortly after they went up, both listings were pulled and have not come back. It's weird.
Best Buy Canada briefly put both the Skywalker Saga and the Rise of Skywalker steelbook up on their site before Christmas. As far as I can tell, you couldn't actually order the Saga set at the time but I did manage to order the steelbook. Shortly after they went up, both listings were pulled and have not come back. It's weird.
I took my 4 year old son to see the new Star Wars and lemme tell you I actually had fun this time bc I was entirely focused on dishing out popcorn and fruit punch and making sure he's not annoying other people and anticipating the lightsaber fights vs when he has to pee. Turns out it's a fun movie when you don't pay any attention to it.
My impression was that he liked Babu Frik, the lightsaber fights, laying down flat on the recliner seats, the snake monster, seeing Luke, me running carrying him to the bathroom and back, more lightsaber fights, all the force lightning, and asking to leave for the last 60 minutes.
My impression was that he liked Babu Frik, the lightsaber fights, laying down flat on the recliner seats, the snake monster, seeing Luke, me running carrying him to the bathroom and back, more lightsaber fights, all the force lightning, and asking to leave for the last 60 minutes.
So I took my dad to see this on Sunday (my third time) and the film continues to grow on me. It still has a myriad of problems but there is a heart to this film and while I think somebody like Rian could have nailed the landing in a so much more satisfying way there's a lot to love about this movie if you can accept the creative decisions Abrams made.
That said, I am so ready to move beyond the Skywalkers. There are so many boundless opportunities with this universe and not being anchored to the OT (or the prequels) gives this franchise so much breathing room to do amazing and intriguing things.
That said, I am so ready to move beyond the Skywalkers. There are so many boundless opportunities with this universe and not being anchored to the OT (or the prequels) gives this franchise so much breathing room to do amazing and intriguing things.
Weren't we doing that with TLJ and TROS yanked things back hard to the Skywalkers?
This is pretty much where I'm at too (including being ready to move beyond the Skywalkers). The bolded part though is a big ask for me in a few specific places though.
I think ultimately, the toughest decision to accept is the one to make TRoS a conclusion to the saga first and foremost over a conclusion to this trilogy. I really don't think the saga needed it.
This trilogy was about wrapping up those loose ends. I think we're ready to move on.
Even to the point of leaving characters like Rey in the rear view.
When I'm referring to acceptance I'm talking about the reality that we have no choice in the matter. TROS is cannon and the Skywalker saga is done.
It is what it is.
Well, that's sad because Rey deserves her own story rather than guest starring in the Skywalker drama.
I agree it was a poor creative choice but there's not much to be done. Regardless of how we feel about those questionable decisions they have definitively ended the Skywalker arc.
I don't disagree but this ST was always going to be heavily linked to the OT.
And regardless of how it ended, Rey was front and center even while characters like Han, Luke and Leia were essentially regulated to support. Rey is a huge part of the cannon now and perhaps down the line we'll see her return in some capacity.
Just realized that LF released a box office flop (solo) and a critically panned movie (tros) back to back.
We need to go back to 2017 LF.
We need to go back to 2017 LF.
TROS just plain festers after awhile. the most i liked the film was right when i walked out. ever since then thinking on it, the longer it's been, the more it rots in the mind. TLJ did the exact opposite for me.
Still, only seen it the once. need to give it a rewatch but i doubt that won't be til it drops on disney plus
Still, only seen it the once. need to give it a rewatch but i doubt that won't be til it drops on disney plus
My question has always been: "Who pushed for calling this the end of the Skywalker Saga?"
Because nobody called this the Skywalker Saga prior to the TROS marketing push. Nobody said this trilogy would wrap up the Skywalkers. Kennedy would say that the mainline movies are focused on the Skywalkers, but it always felt like to me that the push for putting the weight of wrapping up the Skywalker Saga was a mistake. Always felt like biting off more than they could chew, dooming the expectations game from the start.
Because nobody called this the Skywalker Saga prior to the TROS marketing push. Nobody said this trilogy would wrap up the Skywalkers. Kennedy would say that the mainline movies are focused on the Skywalkers, but it always felt like to me that the push for putting the weight of wrapping up the Skywalker Saga was a mistake. Always felt like biting off more than they could chew, dooming the expectations game from the start.
Yeah TLJ was the last really good SW movie recently, I hope we get a really good one again in 2022 or so. And also for it to be a box office success as well.
Its was a excuse to bring back palpatine because the writers did not know what to do with these new characters.
Trev's script while iffy at least sounded like a conclusion to the ST.
edit: and I think Trev's movie would have turned out bad too. It was a lose - lose situation.
it was just plain the wrong move to bring back palps. dude shoulda stayed dead. instead they brought him back and shoehorned a bunch of shit like him creating snoke and being behind the first order and everything. give me a break
I think the bolded seems especially when you look back at TFA. That movie, while tied to the OT crew, really does seem to be introducing the new class. It's all about Rey and Finn with a little Poe thrown in. Sure, Han plays an important part but he serves more to further Rey and Ben's plot more than anything. It's a baton pass. TLJ picks that up and continues to make our new heroes the focus.
TRoS wrenches it back and makes it all about legacy again. I think that's the most unsatisfying part because it sacrifices our new heroes in service of everything but them. Even Rey Skywalker is for the legacy - and the audience - and not what makes the most sense for her character (which considering her whole arc would either be confidently Rey Nobody or at least Rey Organa since there's obviously a mother-daughter thing going on there).
I'm disappointed in the end
They saw what was going on down the hall at Marvel Studios and decided to cynically copy the Endgame "ending of a generation" hype. It didn't work because people saw right through it.
That's been the problem at Lucasfilm since the acquisition, just a complete lack of creativity, constantly aping what others are doing, spinning around like a chicken without a head, desperately looking for someone else to provide them a direction.
The February 4 investor call is going to start off with Bob Iger going "We've heard a lot of great theories about what our 2022 Star Wars will be, and we'd love to hear more. Seriously, send us your ideas. We've got nothing. Let's hear it."
I do think the Marvel Cinematic Universe has benefited from Kevin Feige caring about the source material so much. I'm not saying you're wrong though. I'm just not sure how you even handle a nostalgia vortex franchise like Star Wars anymore (and make it successful).
Absolutely. I read an interview with Tony Gilroy about being brought onboard for Rogue One and he said he never even saw SW nor does he like it. He approached it as a Battle of Britain movie.
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They didn't have confidence that simply ending the conflict as we knew it would get the desired financial result. I can't speak to the metrics they looked at to come to that opinion, but it's pretty clear they felt some need to artificially heighten the stakes and importance of IX.
Definitely don't see that. Both TFA and TLJ show Kylo being offered chances to return to the light and reject it. Like the conflict in him is someone feeling the pull to the light and rejecting it because he wants the dark side. Which felt different to me from how Vader was written.
That said..
I agree with this, and think Ben's redemption in TROS largely works for me.
JJ seemed more confident overall about TROS than TFA. This is very relatable to me, because the more confident I am about my work, the worse it tends to be lol
You'd think someone so self-conscious about their own famous parents would want to deviate away making stories about that!
The film didn't need Palpatine; that much was certain from the outset. If they wanted a larger baddie they could have brought in somebody like Thrawn (who's cannon) or even a Sith cult without Palpatine that offers up some manner of resources.
Kylo was set up to be the primary villain and I think he could have easily pulled that off in the third film despite some claiming the contrary. They could have even kept Rey as a Palpatine and had an interesting inversion, with a Palpatine as the hero and a Skywalker/Solo as the villain.
Kylo was set up to be the primary villain and I think he could have easily pulled that off in the third film despite some claiming the contrary. They could have even kept Rey as a Palpatine and had an interesting inversion, with a Palpatine as the hero and a Skywalker/Solo as the villain.