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Star Wars |OT3| Somehow, this thread returned
- Thread starter WadiumArcadium
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I think I'm with you on this. I (mostly) like where Finn, Poe and Rey end up but it's the journey there that's frustrating. I think "underbaked" is a good word to use.
For sure. He goes from just being the hotshot pilot in TFA to a real, fleshed out character. I didn't realize I wanted him directing the battle like that until you mentioned it. It's a prime example of throwing the overall arc out the window.
TLJ: Poe, be better than a hotshot pilot. Be the leader we need.
TRoS: Poe, jump in an X-wing and blow something up.
Am I the only one who wishes Obi's saber was up for the symmetry? Or do I just have terrible graphic design sense?I'm just going to post this again because it's beautiful
i think part of the reason why i got pumped about that vader comic is that they're going back to naboo. when it comes to star wars planets, one of my all time favorites is naboo. don't know if it's one of the more fully realized planets or that it's drop dead gorgeous or that it isn't just one biome or that theed kinda reminds me of a dinotopia city. just plain love that planet. need to see more of it.
This has probably been answered long ago but speaking as someone who doesn't watch TCW, how do they square the circle of Anakin not being granted the title of Jedi Master in ROTS with Anakin also training an apprentice during the Clone Wars? Wouldn't taking on an apprentice who are you training to make into a Jedi Knight by default make you a master?
This was always confusing in the old EU too, but the title "Jedi Master" and the lowercase "master" aren't the same thing. A Jedi Knight can be a master to a padawan. Obi-Wan wasn't a Jedi Master either when he began training Anakin.
Some Masters don't sit on the Council, but everyone sitting on the Council is a Master, which was why Anakin got pissed in Episode III.
Yeah. Like Qui-Gon was a Master but never sat on the Council. Maybe this is answered better in that Jedi Order Handbook thing, because a search on Wookiepedia isn't showing me any formal advancement structure.
All we know was it was when the Clone Wars started.
Also, RIP Tarkovsky's CW
Interesting. So Jedi Master is less about teaching a student, and more of a personal promotion. "You have to be THIS enlightened to be a Jedi Master."
In the original animated Clone Wars series Anakin underwent the trials on-screen, but I guess that's not canon anymore.
In the original animated Clone Wars series Anakin underwent the trials on-screen, but I guess that's not canon anymore.
I wish they let genddy do another animated project. His 2D Clone Wars was sooooooooooo good man. Why isn't it on D+?
Probably as to not muddy the canonical waters. It's weird, there's all kinds of old Marvel cartoons on D+ as well as the SW Lego stuff.
Unless Lucasfilm doesn't actually own the rights?
Perfect opportunity to add a Legends tab on Disney+. That way we can Droids, Ewoks, and the Holiday Special
Replaying SWTOR for the umpteenth time, I'm reminded that the Dark Council has a similar dynamic. Every member is a Darth, but not every Darth is on the Council, etc. Makes it kinda weird when the big bad Darth of a story arc also has a "master" Darth on the council, but I guess that's how George set it up originally.
I don't have a ton of fondness for 2003 TCW but I would totally watch some Droids and Ewoks.
I almost waded into that thread about Lucas making a better ST and thought better of it.
If people really want to push that narrative power to them.
If people really want to push that narrative power to them.
Huh, I thought Droids and Ewoks were on D+ already.
I think TROS really broke JB lol
I think the opposite. They need to stop announcing shit until they are sure of what they are doing.
As I said earlier, all of these projects are in full production right now.
Godamnit, now I wish we could all live deliciously . Space-deliciously even .
A smuggling crew crash lands in the bermuda triangle of Star Wars while undertaking a job to recover a Sith holocron and shit just goes bonkers.
I would assume this comes from Pablo's now private Twitter:
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I don't think I've ever been a part of a fanbase that makes me feel as miserable as Star Wars. I'm a fan of several controversial and wildly mocked series but somehow SW is the one I hesitate talking about outside of very select places
It's just so negative and it's been that way for so long now. Like I don't mind if someone doesn't like it but I see "Disney ruined the franchise and have done nothing worthwhile" and I'm just like "really?"
Even if Duel of the Fates came out and it was somehow better received you'd still have people whining about TLJ ruining Luke or how Rey was a Mary Sue or whatever.
Why is it like this? What about this franchise makes some people so miserable?
It's just so negative and it's been that way for so long now. Like I don't mind if someone doesn't like it but I see "Disney ruined the franchise and have done nothing worthwhile" and I'm just like "really?"
Even if Duel of the Fates came out and it was somehow better received you'd still have people whining about TLJ ruining Luke or how Rey was a Mary Sue or whatever.
Why is it like this? What about this franchise makes some people so miserable?
I was hoping someone on there would post a screen of the source but still... if that's the case then jeez.
It bums me out. And I realize that yesterday I was joining in a little on the negativity but this is really the only place where the conversations surrounding everything is tolerable.
I just don't get it to be honest.
So I've been thinking on this for a little while and I'm too tired to elaborate in all honesty but the gist of my thoughts is that TROS really does feel like and odd one out in a major way.
TFA, TLJ and Fallen Order/Rebels started to feel like they were reaching for a bigger more "democratic" (anyone can be important) Force. It felt like Ahsoka was the beginning of an idea that was pulling away from the worst parts of the Jedi (well Luke first obvi) and that the Galaxy was going to be getting something new and better coming out of it. Like I see Cal, Kanan, Ezra and Cere as growing from the old idea of the Jedi into something new and a little more comprehensive.
But TROS felt like it was too afraid to do that. Bendemption, Rey being a Palpatine, TFO literally being Palpatine's idea and a sort of forcing of the ST to be not only relevant but oddly reliant to the OT is where my problems with the movie are. It feels like it couldn't trust it's characters to carry the movie on their own and that sorta sucks but it also weakens what could have been an awesome "awakening" of the force.
Edit: And it'd make sense with Galaxy's edge and be VERY marketable.
TFA, TLJ and Fallen Order/Rebels started to feel like they were reaching for a bigger more "democratic" (anyone can be important) Force. It felt like Ahsoka was the beginning of an idea that was pulling away from the worst parts of the Jedi (well Luke first obvi) and that the Galaxy was going to be getting something new and better coming out of it. Like I see Cal, Kanan, Ezra and Cere as growing from the old idea of the Jedi into something new and a little more comprehensive.
But TROS felt like it was too afraid to do that. Bendemption, Rey being a Palpatine, TFO literally being Palpatine's idea and a sort of forcing of the ST to be not only relevant but oddly reliant to the OT is where my problems with the movie are. It feels like it couldn't trust it's characters to carry the movie on their own and that sorta sucks but it also weakens what could have been an awesome "awakening" of the force.
Edit: And it'd make sense with Galaxy's edge and be VERY marketable.
Random FWIW, the recent Master & Apprentice novel revealed that Qui-Gon was offered a seat on the council but rejected it.
I think this is a good point. The thing that the ST ultimately failed to resolve was how the Jedi needed to change avoid a repeat of what happened in the prequels. TLJ emphasizes that change is needed and Rebels/FO begin to show the outlines on some ideas, but TROS doesn't follow up. I get the sense that a Rey-led Jedi order would just be a carbon copy of what was done before based on what we see in TROS.
Part of this is the reason I'd love for them to go forward in the timeline and deliver on the awakening or have some Expanded stuff that delves into how Rey (and maybe Finn) learn from the Jedi's original mistakes/errors.
Outside of some very inconsequential stuff, I think Lucasfilm is going to restrict any EU material following up on the ST, especially starring main cast. They don't want a repeat of the old EU and a need to de-canonize everything if someone decides to make films in 10 or 20 years following up on these characters. Or make potential Disney+ series' even sooner.
That's probably a big reason for Project Luminous to push into a new era. They've spent 5+ years focused on filling in gaps between RotS and RotJ. So now it's move to an entirely new, unexplored era or spend a lot of time filling in gaps between RotJ and TFA. The former would be a lot more interesting.
Good point. I am still very excited for new era stuff. It's a big universe.
Ugh. I don't think that Duel of the Fates would've necessarily been a better movie TROS, but boy howdy I wish they could've taken the best bits from both and make for a better end to the Skywalker saga.
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The big question I have for JJ is about Snoke. You can say that TLJ went against so many of JJ's ideas he set up in TFA, even if I don't think it's true. You can theorize all you want about what JJ's original intentions were for Rey and Kylo.
But was Snoke always supposed to be a throwaway clone for Palpatine? Was JJ's plan to reveal that he was the Emperor in hiding from the beginning? Did he have other answers for Snoke, but felt TLJ ruined them? Because I don't see how Rian killing Snoke would effect who Snoke is in any way.
The Snoke clones don't answer any questions. They just make me ask more about if JJ had any idea what he wanted Snoke to be from the start.
I feel like I read somewhere that while the outline of DOTF was kinda awesome, apparently the dialogue was pretty terrible. (this could be from me in my own head)
Not that TROS was some academy award winning screenplay either.
Not that TROS was some academy award winning screenplay either.
I'm sure this isn't like this but in my head, I'm picturing JJ all pouty saying "You wrecked my Mystery Box so I'm going to subvert your subversion. NYAH!"
As my many giant "making of" books can attest, I love behind the scenes stuff. Give me all of it for IX.
I feel like he and Anakin should both be holding their lightsabers up and at an angle towards each other so it looks like they're clashing or almost clashing. It would foreshadow Revenge of the Sith and provide a nice but of symmetry with Ahsoka's sabers below.
I've been going through the two videos we have of the guy giving a summary of the script and trying to write up a detailed summary. He quotes dialogue from it occasionally (despite saying he does not have the script, he appears to at least still have some pages). It's not bad and occasionally very good, with some clunkers here and there.