I started reading the first book in the original Thrawn trilogy and honestly this feels like published fan fiction you'd see posted online. The sudden abrupt difference in canon are WILD. This clone Dark Jedi before Sith was an official term.
Yeah I agree, especially luke inspiring literally no one sucks.
Also that "script leak" get the Luke haunting kylo thing right. How can you not include that: "See you around" ugh
I'm eating a box of kosher salt while reading this, but apart from big chunks of the ending and Kylo going full Vader, I like this.Robert Meyer Burnett, a former writer/director/producer turner YouTuber, claims to have a copy of a 12/12/2016 draft of Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly's version of Episode IX. Supposedly titled Duel of the Fates with the following opening scroll:
I doubt it's real (boy howdy is that title SUPER fan-fiction-y), but hoping it is if only so we can know what was in one of the other versions of Episode IX. More at the Reddit thread which includes a link to a video where he goes through it.
Robert Meyer Burnett, a former writer/director/producer turner YouTuber, claims to have a copy of a 12/12/2016 draft of Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly's version of Episode IX. Supposedly titled Duel of the Fates with the following opening scroll:
I doubt it's real (boy howdy is that title SUPER fan-fiction-y), but hoping it is if only so we can know what was in one of the other versions of Episode IX. More at the Reddit thread which includes a link to a video where he goes through it.
A lot of people in the "What would your Episode IX be" thread carried on these story crumbs and in similar ways. Seems pretty clear to me that Rian left a lot for the writers of Episode IX to build on, Abrams and Terrio just didn't build on it.
I'm eating a box of kosher salt while reading this, but apart from big chunks of the ending and Kylo going full Vader, I like this.
Not to detract from the supposed leak information, but a question. I will disclaim this that I haven't read any of the current canon comics or books, but I have watched the entirety of Clone Wars and I'm on season 2 of Rebels. What I would like to know is if there is any current material out there worth reading that explores Vader in a way that captures what made Anakin in Clone Wars such a good character: daring, adventurous, brash. It seems like all Vader is now is an endless killing quip machine who just does whatever his boss tells him. But there was more to Anakin, and I am wondering if there is anything that captures and explores what is left on Anakin inside Vader.
Yup. We have 3 Vader comic runs. One is set after RotS, one is after ANH and the newest one is after ESB.I don't know if you're going to find exactly what you're looking for but the Vader comics have touched on his past and how it affects him post-RotS.
A dark side user isn't visited by force ghosts due to the dark side clouding and preventing them from being visited by Jedi ghosts.
Additionally, it would be way out of character of Luke to "haunt and torture" Ben, even if you take into account his position in TLJ. The line that sticks out more is the "Strike me down and I'll always be with you, just like your father." So if Luke is going to be with Ben "just like [his] father" then that means Ben will be tortured by his own memories of them, not by Luke actually showing up in front of him.
I think people are taking the "See you around kid" line way too literally. One, it's a nod to Han Solo. Two, people say this all the time but don't literally mean "I'll see you around". Its a goodbye.
Not to detract from the supposed leak information, but a question. I will disclaim this that I haven't read any of the current canon comics or books, but I have watched the entirety of Clone Wars and I'm on season 2 of Rebels. What I would like to know is if there is any current material out there worth reading that explores Vader in a way that captures what made Anakin in Clone Wars such a good character: daring, adventurous, brash. It seems like all Vader is now is an endless killing quip machine who just does whatever his boss tells him. But there was more to Anakin, and I am wondering if there is anything that captures and explores what is left on Anakin inside Vader.
Assuming it's real, I imagine the main sticking point for Lucasfilm with this script would have been committing to Kylo Ren as a villain. Terrio seemed to suggest that Kennedy, et al. wanted him to be redeemed in the end. If both of those things are true though, I don't know why that wouldn't have come up way earlier in the process...The script is a better continuation of TLJ for sure, but it's....flat. Real flat. There's no interesting direction really. Kylo is chasing McGuffins and is 100% committed to evil. Rey chasing mcguffins herself to "enlighten" her path, and it seems like busy work. Splitting up the heroes again.
We would have gotten complaints that its just kind of....ok, the conflict is over, nothing exciting but the ship was landed. The dynamic between Kylo and Rey seems kind of weak here. Colin stuck with the force connection being cut off and it weakens the Kylo/Rey dynamic considerably imo.
I'll say this, I wouldn't have fired him over the script if this was real. It's got some nice ideas, but clearly needed tweaking.
But isn't that the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker? That this charismatic, adventurous, passionate man is gone, replaced by a frustrated, servile toadie? I'm sure there was more to Anakin, but he abandoned all that to become Vader.Not to detract from the supposed leak information, but a question. I will disclaim this that I haven't read any of the current canon comics or books, but I have watched the entirety of Clone Wars and I'm on season 2 of Rebels. What I would like to know is if there is any current material out there worth reading that explores Vader in a way that captures what made Anakin in Clone Wars such a good character: daring, adventurous, brash. It seems like all Vader is now is an endless killing quip machine who just does whatever his boss tells him. But there was more to Anakin, and I am wondering if there is anything that captures and explores what is left on Anakin inside Vader.
But isn't that the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker? That this charismatic, adventurous, passionate man is gone, replaced by a frustrated, servile toadie? I'm sure there was more to Anakin, but he abandoned all that to become Vader.
M&A is pre-TPM btw. There's the Obi & Ani comic but point taken. That middle area is not really explored, mainly because the Clone Wars takes up so much oxygen of the prequel era.What's it gonna take to get more content set between TPM and AotC? We've got Master and Apprentice (which I still need to read) and.... anything else?
What's it gonna take to get more content set between TPM and AotC? We've got Master and Apprentice (which I still need to read) and.... anything else?
M&A is pre-TPM btw. There's the Obi & Ani comic but point taken. That middle area is not really explored, mainly because the Clone Wars takes up so much oxygen of the prequel era.
I don't know how this aligns with the way current Old Republic canon is set up, but an interesting thing to potentially come out of the High Republic stuff would be watching the Jedi's transition into that hubris mindset. At some point complacency crept in and made these guys oblivious to what was happening under their feet, and it would be cool to integrate that into some future movie's (or some other thing's) story. By the time the PT began that hubris was already a fait accompli but the Jedi couldn't have always been shit.I guess I'll get most of what I want with the High Republic stuff (if that's legit). I really like the idea of some stories from the Jedi Order at the height of their influence and hubris but not during the Clone Wars. I doubt we'll ever really get to explore that time much though.
Obi-Wan would be next year. It doesn't film until this summer iirc.so, what new series are we getting this year?
Mandalorian season 2
Obi-Wan series
Rebels sequel?
maybe Dr. Aphra?
so, what new series are we getting this year?
Mandalorian season 2
Obi-Wan series
Rebels sequel?
maybe Dr. Aphra?
so, what new series are we getting this year?
Mandalorian season 2
Obi-Wan series
Rebels sequel?
maybe Dr. Aphra?
What's it gonna take to get more content set between TPM and AotC? We've got Master and Apprentice (which I still need to read) and.... anything else?
I forgot about that one. I'm more interested in Jedi hijinks overall but I did enjoy her Ahsoka book so I should maybe check that out too.
I'm going through my prequel phase after almost a decade of leaving it behind. I am revisiting a lot of the media I goppled up back in 2005. Labyrinth of Evil, the ROTS novelization, the Republic Commando game & Karen Traviss' first 2 Republic Commando novels, the sublime Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoons, hell, even the PS2/Xbox ROTS game was super fun with a supremely funny alternate ending.
There was something back around 2004/2005 that made that particular period pretty magical and captivating to me. All the media outside ROTS helped a lot to make up for the film's shortcomings. Labyrinth of Evil was really good, the ROTS novelization actually salvaged some of the plot threads, Republic Commando was great, and the Tartakovsky animations are better than any of the prequels (in their own way) with better visual storytelling of Anakin in the span of 30 seconds than what the prequels' 7-8 hours of characterization managed to do.
In ROTS, Anakin's turn is especially so frustrating that it's better to ignore how dumb it is. And then of course the horribly sexist reduction of Padme. It really leaves me conflicted about the worldbuilding that the AOTC->ROTS period left me with, because I did enjoy a lot of the stories and visuals outside of the film itself.
Labyrinth of Evil and the ROTS novel are both excellent and work really well together.I'm going through my prequel phase after almost a decade of leaving it behind. I am revisiting a lot of the media I goppled up back in 2005. Labyrinth of Evil, the ROTS novelization, the Republic Commando game & Karen Traviss' first 2 Republic Commando novels, the sublime Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoons, hell, even the PS2/Xbox ROTS game was super fun with a supremely funny alternate ending.
There was something back around 2004/2005 that made that particular period pretty magical and captivating to me. All the media outside ROTS helped a lot to make up for the film's shortcomings. Labyrinth of Evil was really good, the ROTS novelization actually salvaged some of the plot threads, Republic Commando was great, and the Tartakovsky animations are better than any of the prequels (in their own way) with better visual storytelling of Anakin in the span of 30 seconds than what the prequels' 7-8 hours of characterization managed to do.
In ROTS, Anakin's turn is especially so frustrating that it's better to ignore how dumb it is. And then of course the horribly sexist reduction of Padme. It really leaves me conflicted about the worldbuilding that the AOTC->ROTS period left me with, because I did enjoy a lot of the stories and visuals outside of the film itself.
I loved Labyrinth of Evil. Luceno is so good as prequels. Cloak of Deception was a great prequel to TPM. I haven't read Catalyst (prequel to Rogue One) but I've heard a lot of praise for that one as well.
But isn't that the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker? That this charismatic, adventurous, passionate man is gone, replaced by a frustrated, servile toadie? I'm sure there was more to Anakin, but he abandoned all that to become Vader.
This was actually the working title for the movie before they changed it to "The Rise of Skywalker" at the last minute.
Labyrinth of Evil and the ROTS novel are both excellent and work really well together.