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Star Wars sidelines Kelly Marie Tran (OPEN TRoS SPOILERS)
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Yeah. It's really strange, and hard to understand why he did that.
Like he almost doesn't care about this franchise, and simply goes for the safest and simplest choices
They could have cut the meaningless, 20 minute "we need to hack C-3PO" subplot. Nothing happens, and 3PO's memory wipe walked back a few scenes later. Give them time for actual character development.
I figured there be a payoff with C3PO getting his prequel memories back, but nope. It's nothing but filler.
I figured there be a payoff with C3PO getting his prequel memories back, but nope. It's nothing but filler.
It's disappointing as fuuuuuuck as someone that actually really liked her character in TLJ. She basically gets downgraded to desk duty doing research because "Leia needs me here" it's utter and complete bullshit.
Didn't say that, but I really doubt JJ did this because he's racist or even because of the backlash from TLJ.
He seemed to want to revert much of the things TLJ did so that Rise was more like a sequel to Awakens.
I feel like most of the hatred of Rose is an intersection of racism, sexism, and conventional attractiveness (i.e. if she looked like Daisy Ridley fewer people would complain)
Anyone that does that is not worth listening to anyways
Yeah I definitely didn't like how she was written and didn't like the useless sideplot they threw her (along with Finn) in.
But the answer to that isn't to sideline her. They chose the easy way out.
The amount of people that show their asses when they say "now how about her sister, now there was an interesting character. They should have swapped places." I can't.
Nah. It is known both Rose and Finn cannot get meaningfully written arcs at the same time. It is a zero sum game.
I'm glad there Is pushback over this, she easily could have done some of the things the new characters did ( but then how would they sell their inevitable D+ series ). Actress deserved better
This trilogy has been such a waste of potential. I completely avoid all SW threads cause they're always a shitshow, but this right here with KMT has been the biggest letdown.
Fuck JJ and fuck Disney.
Fuck JJ and fuck Disney.
Or Lucasfilm/Disney paid him to deliver by a certain date whilst meeting all the criteria on their mandate. (Which was focus-tested to hell and back)
JJ wasn't sitting with his thumb up his arse trying to figure out how to develop characters. He was rushing to deliver what he was hired & paid to do after Treverow was sacked.
Except you kind of did. You are saying that JJ casting a white woman and a black man means he's not racist somehow for curbing this Asian woman. That's not how any of that works. Second to that, JJ sidelined this character to cater to racist fans... but he's not a racist so it's okay.
I didn't find her scenes in TRoS particularly damning, and thought they were fine. Ultimately, her character simply wasn't particularly well written or portrayed in TLJ, and I can see why JJ would prioritise the other characters in TRoS, including both the old as well as the new.
The other characters just seemed more interesting or had better chemistry amongst each other. Even Finn's connection with Jannah felt more earnest than his relationship with Rose in TLJ, and likewise Zorii was really cool too.
The other characters just seemed more interesting or had better chemistry amongst each other. Even Finn's connection with Jannah felt more earnest than his relationship with Rose in TLJ, and likewise Zorii was really cool too.
I dunno, I didn't find her character to be particularly interesting in TLJ so I can't say it bothered me all that much. But then again they introduce throwaway characters like Zorii and Jannah, even though they were cool enough they just came and went, so they could've had Rose tag along instead, I guess. I don't think it would've made much of a difference if all those three characters had been axed tbh, the movie was mainly about Poe, Finn, Rey and Ben anyway.
The entire movie is a trainwreck, even "important" characters like Lando and Leia got shit scenes. In hindsight, I think it was better for the Rose character not to endure another shitty side quest fueling the hatred. Yes, ideally we'd have a competently written story for her in the movie but judging by the quality of the picture we got, that was never a possibility.
What felt unnatural about it? All things considered, she was just a random resistance member who happened to get roped into the specific events of TLJ. She wasn't a skilled fighter and there was nothing to suggest she would even want to be fighting on the frontlines.
JJ should have focused on the characters he had and not introduced new foils for Finn and poe. all on the writing team
I mean, damn. How could anyone argue with this logic? 🙄🙄🙄
On topic:
Could they have given Rose a few extra lines back at home base? Sure, whatever. But that's beside the point. Poe, Finn and Rey have had chemistry from minute one of TFA, and all I wanted was to see the 3 of them in one place going on an adventure (without adding people for the sake of just being there), and I'd imagine that's what Abrams wanted as well.
Sometimes "choices you didn't like" don't automatically == "pandering to internet shitheads/Russian bots" just because the ends were the same. Not liking a choice is one thing, but ascribing sinister motivations to that choice just because "internet" is unacceptable.
The moment Finn says that they cant just throw a ship against Palpatine's fleet, using hyperspace, I felt that JJ was making a movie to answers the forums.
That's what happens when you say "dummy".
In seriousness, she was poorly set up to be a major character, especially with the way the transition went between TLJ and RoS.
There is no excuse whatsoever for attacking her as a person and who she is off the big screen but as for her character itself I can understand people not liking her. The whole storyline with her and Finn in The Last Jedi was one of the worst parts of the movie. It was so unbelievably cheesy and forced.
But disliking her character and attacking her as a person are two totally different things and fuck anyone who is doing that.
But disliking her character and attacking her as a person are two totally different things and fuck anyone who is doing that.
I wanted more Lando.
I would have sacrificed all the stuff between Poe and that Spice Runner lady for more Lando stuff.
I would have sacrificed all the stuff between Poe and that Spice Runner lady for more Lando stuff.
Except this wasn't the only choice that felt like pandering. It was literally the entire movie. This was just another example of that and it was blatant.
It'll be interesting to get some BTS talk years down the road, the movie certainly felt like it was trying to pointedly retcon everything about TLJ away. Roses "I want to go with you but Leia needs me to read technical manuals" was weird.
For now JJ says he loves TLJ and Rian Johnson and vica versa but the two movies felt like it was directors trying to undo everything the previous movie did. TFA setup Snoke, TLJ threw him away. TFA setup Rey's mysterious parentage and meeting Luke, TLJ made it clear she was nobody and Luke was messed up. On and on and on, and then we got the third piece of the shit sandwich that was TROS doing it again to TLJ.
I think the only thing most people would agree at this point is if you are gonna do a trilogy, for God's sakes plan out the big plot points and beats before you start filming the first one. This trilogy was ludicrous.
For now JJ says he loves TLJ and Rian Johnson and vica versa but the two movies felt like it was directors trying to undo everything the previous movie did. TFA setup Snoke, TLJ threw him away. TFA setup Rey's mysterious parentage and meeting Luke, TLJ made it clear she was nobody and Luke was messed up. On and on and on, and then we got the third piece of the shit sandwich that was TROS doing it again to TLJ.
I think the only thing most people would agree at this point is if you are gonna do a trilogy, for God's sakes plan out the big plot points and beats before you start filming the first one. This trilogy was ludicrous.
This was the one thing I hated about the movie (That and the Rey kiss anyway), despite thinking the subplot with her being the focus in TLJ was a smidge too long, really feels like they did her the dirty after making it seem like her character was meant to have more of a spotlight, and after the poor actress getting so much shit from assholes online.
I felt that dialogue between Lando and Jannah towards the end about finding out where she's from hinted towards some spinoff with her and Lando.
And I'd gladly watch that spinoff.
Absolutely, if people want to see this as racist I won't argue against that.
He sidelined pretty much everything that TLJ gave us though, I'm not going into spoilers but it's like that entire film was undone.
But i'm not going to die on a hill for JJ or this film, so if people want to call it racist, fine, I won't argue.
JJ didn't even know what to do with the characters he created, that aint it. See:
-Hux
-Knights of Ren
-Finn
-Poe
-Zori
-And every other character not named Rey or Kylo.
But here, this is just you making an assumption about motivation.
"Pandering" in a whole host of ways in this movie is very likely just Abrams bending the series back towards whatever vision (however questionable plotting wise) he had back when he made Episode 7. Choices that by their very nature were going to rain on TLJ's parade.
You can make a lot of claims about Abrams' work here. It's too referential to the original movies, it's poorly written, etc. but I'll say again. Pretending like that all automatically amounts to "listened to racist internet shitlords and just gave them what they wanted" is a bridge too far.
Worse than not giving her anything interesting to do was the almost literal brush off Finn gave her with a pat on the shoulder after they smooched in the last movie.
I'm sure that was intentional so that the audience wouldn't be side eyeing him for hanging out with the new lady.
I'm sure that was intentional so that the audience wouldn't be side eyeing him for hanging out with the new lady.
Yet he did add multiple characters. So, I guess that line of thinking goes out the window.
