You can argue that he gave racist internet shitlords what they wanted because it was what he wanted as well, but, whether deliberately or coincidentally, he absolutely gave racist internet shitlords what they wanted.
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Star Wars sidelines Kelly Marie Tran (OPEN TRoS SPOILERS)
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JJ never wrote any draft to begin with and he's said this several times. They already had VIII and IX's directors in place before Force Awakens came out.
That's really depressing. Feels like they just discarded her, and cut anything that would have helped the character or strengthened her bond with the rest of the cast. I feel bad for the actress and all the people that had hoped she and her character would be treated well in this movie.
Should movies only be made with a mind to avoid doing anything that may tangentially please bad people?
Was the only right answer here to give a weak character more screentime just to piss some dickheads off?
That's a bit of a stretch, because it's not like racist, sexist, anti-PC or anti-liberal shitlords are going to be overjoyed with characters like Finn, Rey, Jannah, Lando or the same sex couple(s) featured in TRoS etc either. In other words, with or without a more heavily featured Rose character, the movie is still a racist and sexists nightmare.
It's like people forget JJ literally made a mainline Star Wars movie in which the two key heroes are a black male and female character, so I'm pretty sure the racists and sexists still dislike or hate him and are not being pandered to.
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That's 'cause it isn't a social critique. In a franchise that builds its message off hope and good overcoming evil, it's an overly cynical "both sides" moment that tries to tell us the Republic and the First Order are no different and the galaxy at large doesn't care who is in charge as long as it doesn't interrupt business.
You can't even argue that the point is DJ is wrong 'cause he scarpered off with his reward for betraying the good guys and we never hear about him or Canto Bight ever again.
Nor can you argue that it explains how or why the First Order was able to come into power - as Rise of Skywalker showed much more effectively, the First Order invaded and occupied planets, kidnapped all the children and indoctrinated them. They seized all the materials they needed for their fleet, killed anyone that challenged them and without any organised Republic military to oppose them planets were left to fend for themselves.
The real irony is that the prequel trilogy, especially Revenge of the Sith, has social commentary that's more relevant today than ever before but you won't see anyone bring that up. The Republic fell not with a sword or a gun, but a speech. Liberty died to the sound of thunderous applause, as Padmé so eloquently put it. One man turned a democracy into a dictatorship and the politicians welcomed it with open arms.
I thought she was an incredibly boring character with an incredibly boring plot line in The Last Jedi. So I personally didn't mind that she was put into the background.
Wouldn't this also suggest that it wasn't necessarily JJ's call. Being removed merchandise would seem to make it seem like a call made by someone on the business side.
I made a statement of material fact, not a judgment of his character.
(Though it certainly couldn't have hurt this shitty film)
Okay. Either you haven't seen the film, or you're not arguing in good faith with this.
It sounds petty honestly, and probably a poor way to make most movies.
Must be an untapped market Disney is now focusing on.
What are you talking about? I have seen TRoS, and I stand by what I've written. The misogynists, racists, PC and Liberal hate crowd etc are not pandered to in this new trilogy, which is on the whole relatively progressive as far as massive Hollywood action blockbusters go.
On a side note, I often find that posters who leave out someone's entire post only to highlight one specific, usually out of context or misconstrued line, are the ones not arguing in good faith.
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It's definitely a critique of how liberals see themselves as better despite being willing participants and defenders of the capitalist status quo, in this case the war industry.
Don't think that falls under "both sides"-ing as it's generally understood, because no one is implying the Resistance is exactly the same as the First order. It's exposing the sytemic shit that keep people in povrety and slavery despite seemingly good intentions.
1. This never happened, I posted a video from JJ saying so.
2. Even if it did, are you seriously arguing that two sets up writers and directors for the next two films should follow two drafts that JJ would've scribbled down in under a day? Really?
Imagine being Trevorrow on set in 2018 and wanting to do something but couldn't because the draft that JJ wrote in 20 minutes in 2014 said so.
If JJ had made the Clone Wars, Ahsoka would've dissappeared as soon as reddit started calling her an annoying whiny brat
No feelings just facts. People on Era have explicitly said if Veronica Ngo had the Rose role they wouldn't have minded the character. TLJ was just too much for the male nerd power fantasy genre where the only characters allowed are people you want to be/ can masturbate to.
Not saying if you don't like Kelly you're a weird male nerd but I've lost count of the amount of people who said "Rose's sister would have been better for the role." when the actress had no meaningful dialogue to indicate that/ screen time with Finn to know if they had better chemistry.
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they could've made her strong or important as well. she could've had a scene with maz talking about how maz got Luke's lightsaber or something. "more screen time" isn't necessarily a bad thing
You have to be kidding me. What movies did you watch? It's massively different.
It's the "if I'm playing a videogame better stare at a hot womans ass for 100 hours lol" movie equivalent.
Legitimately one of the most cowardly decisions I've ever seen at best. At worst (hint: it's worst) it's that plus blatant pandering to racists
Fixed that for you because it is
Fixed that for you because it is
1 minute and 15 seconds vs 5 minutes and 15 seconds. 🤔 Seems equal!
I mean, IMDB has the character screentime, the amounts are relatively similar. They are ultimately side characters, the final movies in each series is about the core characters.
Gwendoline Christie and the "Raid Guys" were also badly written and/or wasted.
So much lost potential.
So much lost potential.
It's his job to wrap up the trilogy and all major characters, he signed up for it.
Rose is 3 minutes as far as I can see. Unless I'm missing something.
Because it shows that he and Terrio didn't know how to utilize the material that was there to tell a coherent and satisfying story.
Her character was awful and only served to rob agency of the black former co-protagonist, who "got sidelined" in TLJ so hard you could've cut him entirely and it would've made no difference to the plot.
Frankly I was glad she was gone and that Finn had a little room to breathe in RoS. I felt like in this whole trilogy the black audience got finessed, watching Disney say "nah" to the black Jedi lead AND the interracial relationship they kept teasing at. It was horrible to watch.
Rose had Anakin-tier cringe dialogue and was directly involved in Rian Johnson turning Finn into Jar Jar. So forgive me if I don't have any tears to shed, because by the way, she was in the movie, and the new love interest was at least designed to compliment, validate, and share experiences with Finn instead of constantly foil him.
What happened to KMT on social media, I'm upset about. What happened to this character? That's life. She was damaging every character and plot she touched and was poorly conceived from the beginning.
Frankly I was glad she was gone and that Finn had a little room to breathe in RoS. I felt like in this whole trilogy the black audience got finessed, watching Disney say "nah" to the black Jedi lead AND the interracial relationship they kept teasing at. It was horrible to watch.
Rose had Anakin-tier cringe dialogue and was directly involved in Rian Johnson turning Finn into Jar Jar. So forgive me if I don't have any tears to shed, because by the way, she was in the movie, and the new love interest was at least designed to compliment, validate, and share experiences with Finn instead of constantly foil him.
What happened to KMT on social media, I'm upset about. What happened to this character? That's life. She was damaging every character and plot she touched and was poorly conceived from the beginning.
It sucked all things considered, they should have at least give her something. She was one of the main characters of the Last Jedi and deserved at least a secondary story, at least to keep things consistent.
Not trying to take away from her situation but I thought it sucked what they did with Hux too. I was looking forward to see how these two would be at odds, trying to lead the first order. I thought it was interesting how Kylo Ren and Hux felt like two man children trying to mimic the empire, like they were radicalised, and it goes nowhere. They just bring Richard E Grant who I love as an actor, but he's just a generic empire stooge.
Not trying to take away from her situation but I thought it sucked what they did with Hux too. I was looking forward to see how these two would be at odds, trying to lead the first order. I thought it was interesting how Kylo Ren and Hux felt like two man children trying to mimic the empire, like they were radicalised, and it goes nowhere. They just bring Richard E Grant who I love as an actor, but he's just a generic empire stooge.
It is inexplicably in the Millennium Falcon in opening of the movie.
Yeah, the handling of her character was total bullshit. One of my biggest problems with the film. I really liked Rose Tico, and Kelly Marie Tran's performance, and her back and forth with Boyega. But nope, JJ bows to shit head fans who don't know the first thing about screenwriting, and retcon her into nothingness. A pat on the head, and a "you're doing a good job here at the base, we don't need you". Oh but let's introduce two new companion characters, and give them no development. Fucking hell man.
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You're missing something.
76 seconds =/= 3 minutes.
Even 1:16 is a fairly liberal appraisal—while I tried to be strict about only letting the timer run when Rose was actually onscreen, my definition of "onscreen" was generous. For example, I included the scene at the end where she hugs Chewbacca at the Rebel base, although it's possible to argue that she wasn't quite in the foreground of the action. I was so alert for any sign of Rose that I even included the part where she is only seen in (partial) profile staring intently at Poe while he speaks. -Violet Kim, Slate
Of all the shitty, reactionary story decisions that were made in TROS, this was the only one that actually made me angry. Tran got done dirty.
And what does Lando do with his screentime? He gets the falcon and leads the assault on DS2 and makes the final blow. He's also there in disguise at Jabba's Palace and plays a role in saving Han. He has actual meaningful screentime. Rose has ZERO. Your screentime argument is nonsense