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Star Wars: The High Republic - A First Look at Project Luminous
- Thread starter Ryan.
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Again, I'm kinda disappointed with the timeline but will see how it turns out. My gripes are mainly that species live a long time in the SW universe, 200 years is not even a single lifetime for some species, hell a human could possibly live that long. So, we're going back maybe one generation where character from the prequels are still alive.
Further, for the supposed "Height of the Republic" that's awfully close to the fall of the Republic. Let's be clear, the prequel era was the End of the Jedi and Republic. It's a time where the Jedi Order is completely full of itself and the Republic rampant with corruption. This arrogance and corruption did not start overnight, it had to be built up over the course of years and decades. Rome did not fall in a day, it was a slow process of degradation as a succession of weak leaders, the erosion of public institutions, the corruption of the Senate, and outside powers chipped away at the Empire until it fell. I would expect the same from the Galactic Republic. Thus, I would expect 200 years before the prequels to be the time where this corruption and culminating arrogance of the Jedi to be in full swing. I would not expect this to be the High Republic but rather the start of the Fall of the Jedi.
Next, I'm not a fan of the concept that the Outer Rim is just now being explored 200 years before the prequels. That seems insane to me. In old Legends material the Great Hyperspace War was kicked off when Republic traders ventured out into the Outer Rim areas and discovered the Sith and that was many, many, many years before the prequels. It just seems odd that such an entire region of space was entirely unexplored by the Republic merely 200 years prior to the prequels.
Those are my concerns, but we'll see how things are actually executed.
Further, for the supposed "Height of the Republic" that's awfully close to the fall of the Republic. Let's be clear, the prequel era was the End of the Jedi and Republic. It's a time where the Jedi Order is completely full of itself and the Republic rampant with corruption. This arrogance and corruption did not start overnight, it had to be built up over the course of years and decades. Rome did not fall in a day, it was a slow process of degradation as a succession of weak leaders, the erosion of public institutions, the corruption of the Senate, and outside powers chipped away at the Empire until it fell. I would expect the same from the Galactic Republic. Thus, I would expect 200 years before the prequels to be the time where this corruption and culminating arrogance of the Jedi to be in full swing. I would not expect this to be the High Republic but rather the start of the Fall of the Jedi.
Next, I'm not a fan of the concept that the Outer Rim is just now being explored 200 years before the prequels. That seems insane to me. In old Legends material the Great Hyperspace War was kicked off when Republic traders ventured out into the Outer Rim areas and discovered the Sith and that was many, many, many years before the prequels. It just seems odd that such an entire region of space was entirely unexplored by the Republic merely 200 years prior to the prequels.
Those are my concerns, but we'll see how things are actually executed.
Aside from my complaints about the time setting feeling not far back enough... agreeing with all BossAttack said above... I'm still hopeful somewhat and will give at least Soule's book a read.
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I'll be out at SW Celebration when the first book comes out. I'm fairly confident that I'll be able to get a copy of the standard edition there and get it signed, but getting the convention exclusive cover is always a long shot.
pre-ordered light of the jedi
kind of excited to start something new that hopefully is a full coherant story.
kind of excited to start something new that hopefully is a full coherant story.
This is probably my biggest gripe with the Star Wars universe in general. They really can't seem to get beyond the same old shit. Even in this video, "don't worry, there'll be new bounty hunters, new smugglers, new...." - like.....why tho? We've already had all of that, COUNTLESS times.
This is evident in pretty much everything across Star Wars unless you're counting the stuff.........dare I say it? George Lucas was in charge of. You could argue that the prequels "copied" the OT, but they really didn't - and if they did, it makes perfect sense as to why...because they were prequels to that story. Was the execution bad? Sure - but the ideas were not. Then you watch the Clone Wars, and there's nothing but further depth and context added to the prequel era, and completely new stuff that's pretty original to Star Wars. Sure there's a lot of crap too, but still. Then you look at what his plans were for a sequel trilogy - people may have hated him delving even further into the science of the force, midichlorians and all that - but got damn did it sound original, both in general - and for Star Wars.
Star Wars is the epitome of creative bankruptcy - they just can't seem to develop anything new in the universe without bringing in the same old shit. You could argue "but that's Star Wars" - but it really doesn't have to be.
Ah man I thought it was gonna be a sequel to Kotor 2 but with the Republic in good shape after light side exile helped out on Telos and brought stability like GOTO wanted, and thus started restoration efforts on other rim worlds, and the Republic rebuilt itself and entered glory years without the Sith Lords.....but then Revan returns dun dun DUN
They already did continue the story for this? Revan's story has been concluded already.
There's been some more information gleaned from retail listings. It appears that the "great disaster" will be galaxy-wide and include ships being ejected from hyperspace. And it and/or the Nhil may represent a threat to the Force itself.
Books.Disney.com has put up listings for Into the Dark and included synopses.
Into the Dark by Claudia Gray
A Test of Courage by Justina Ireland
Amazon updated the listing for Light of the Jedi by Charles Soule.
Books.Disney.com has put up listings for Into the Dark and included synopses.
Into the Dark by Claudia Gray
A Test of Courage by Justina Ireland
Amazon updated the listing for Light of the Jedi by Charles Soule.
This is dramatically more interesting as a setting than KotOR (a setting that actually was the same as ever) ever was. It'll just be a matter of if they can back it up with stories to match it.
I don't mind the idea of Space Vikings. Historical vikings were a real threat during the Middle Ages that Feudal Kingdoms had a tough time understanding and grappling with. Their seafaring tactics and seasonal plunder mentality made wreaked havoc on rigid Kingdoms used to typical warfare against other Kingdoms. I can see the Jedi having difficulty tackling such a foe that has no central base planet or area of operations, but are instead an incredibly organized band of marauders attacking Republic outposts and colonies and then disappearing back into Hyperspace.
Don't sleep on Claudia Gray just because it's a YA novel. Lost Stars is the best piece of Star Wars canon to come out of the Disney era - it's YA but definitely on the Adult side of Young Adult, and what I've read of Master & Apprentice so far has been excellent. She "gets" Star Wars. Depending on how her novel reviews, it's probably worth a read.
Star Wars The Old Republic , the MMORPG, continues the story. There was also a book written for what happened between KOTOR 2 and SWTOR to Revan. You can play the MMO by yourself btw just need to be online, there's 8 class stories that are all goo but the Jedi Knight is more of the continuation of KOTOR 1 and 2
I would probably eat up a Star Wars Hogwarts clone tbh. Theyre probably afraid to factionize the Jedi internally though.
Jedi Master Wooderson: "One thing I like about Padawans. The older I get, they stay the same age."
Evil Trooper: "We cant let you pass"
Jedi Master Wooderson: *waves hand* "Be a whole lot cooler if you did."
Evil TRooper: "Proceed"
Jedi Master Wooderson: "Well alright alright alright."
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I think it would be one of the few ways they could make things interesting.
I mean, if they're supposed to be actual "knights", this time around, it makes sense to give the same dynamics as nobility, and all the warts of such. Maybe have it be a logical progression of how things were done historically up to this era, before things had to change up again to lead up to the Prequels.
Besides, it's always been portrayed that the Sith historically had issues with their power dynamics until finally the Rule of Two was put in place. I'm sure there's plenty of things the Jedi had to prune over the centuries, as well.
I'm pretty sure they're pretending TOR doesn't exist because it sucked and was an awful conclusion to the KOTOR storylines. The Exile especially got done dirty but even Revan's ending was fanfic tier.
Disagree, it doesn't suck and has some of the best Star Wars stories written, particularly love Sith Warrior and Imperial Agent. And I say that as a person who also loved both KOTORs. Don't love how fans have turned Revan into a Mary Sue who is perfect in every way though.
I'd give Bloodline a slight edge over Lost Stars - also Claudia Gray. But yes all three are great reads. Only Lost Stars is YA IMO.
I'm really excited for this. It's nice to have a creative team assembled to plan things out like this and they seem passionate and have a defined goal. Let's just hope they can execute it.
Sith Warrior and Imperial Agent are great but the Emperor storyline is terrible and ends terribly. Revan and the Exile job pretty bad and Scrouge gets off scout free after everything he's done. By the time KotEE came around it's not like "The Outlander" hadn't become pretty Mary Sueish themselves lol.
The Nihil were mentioned in a comic last month, Star Wars Adventures #30.
The library at the time of the High Republic was also shown.
Speaking of the Nihil, they appear to be an amalgamation of races, including many we already know. The released cover for the comic The High Republic appears to show a Zabrak and a Twi'lek and concept art shown in the trailer have several more recognizable species including a Togruta.
The library at the time of the High Republic was also shown.
Speaking of the Nihil, they appear to be an amalgamation of races, including many we already know. The released cover for the comic The High Republic appears to show a Zabrak and a Twi'lek and concept art shown in the trailer have several more recognizable species including a Togruta.
While I'm not 100% sold on them yet, I do like how they seem to be making the Nihil a different kind of foe from the Empire and all of its spin-offs. They're more chaotic evil than lawful evil, they've got a ton of alien members rather than being mostly human, they don't really have a uniform design, etc.
Very Egyptian-ish, cool.The library at the time of the High Republic was also shown.
Disagree about the Emperor storyline, kinda liked the whole narcissistic, pretending to be god and above everyone else but essentially being terrified of dying thing they had going with that character, and the voice acting was ace. And my issue with Revan and Exile isn't how they are portrayed in their games but how fans of them discuss them like they are godlike who do no wrong (I mean, they are both pretty much war criminals). And yeah Outlander is powerful but they get betrayed multiple times and have a cast of characters always helping them, so don't think they go that far into Mary Sue territory, they are fallible.
Avar Kriss confirmed to be Sheev Palpatine's great grandmother in the third book.
I do wonder how far they will take the Round Table analogies because shit got messy af in King Arthur's court.
I think we can all agree that the Republic itself saw degradation and corruption--what's less clear is how much the Jedi were a part of that. If you're going to claim that the PT era Jedi were flawed, then the flip side of the coin is that you've got to demonstrate what the philosophical differences are with the Jedi in the High Republic era that allowed them to own this gold standard label.
I think in a way, what is thought of as a fun little side saga where new stuff takes place is kind of incidentally being forced to answer some of the biggest questions in Star Wars mythos. A chicken and egg scenario where you have to answer whether the "peaceful" periods of the Height of the Republic were the result of a well adhered to philosophy virtually preventing dark side corruption within the Jedi or was it simply the lack of a Sith presence being the sole reason for this?
You don't need centuries of degradation and corruption to push a society into a fascist state. Both in Star Wars and real life that shit happens way faster. In the prequels Palpatine maneuvers himself from senator to Galactic Emperor in under 15 years. That Empire ruled for all of 20 years before it fell. The New Republic was around for another 30 years before the sequels happen. Look at the Empire's real-life inspiration: you had the German Empire which was around for about 50ish years, then the Weimar Republic about 15, then the Third Reich for another 12. So the idea that the Republic needed to be around for this many millennia because it needed this many centuries of rot just to finally get to the PT seems really arbitrary to me. The U.S. created itself, tore itself apart, reunified (and uh, seems on the verge of tearing apart again) in roughly the same amount of time separating the High Republic era from the PT. A lot can happen in a couple centuries.
tl;dr -- 200 years is a long time.
tl;dr -- 200 years is a long time.
Now we're talking
Its a smart way to gauge interest since books and comics are cheap to produce compared to shows and movies.
That's true. Was hoping for a CGI type show. Maybe eventually!
Old Republic is set too far back for them to make *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* to the prequels/OT.
We know that the movie trilogy D&D were gonna do were the origins of the Jedi, which would set thousands of years before the OT.
We don't know if this is a direction LucasFilm still wants to go without D&D but it's definitely something was gonna happen. The whole idea behind Rian's trilogy was also that it would be 100% new and have zero connection to anything we've seen. Lucasfilm knows that for Star Wars to continue, we need to start seeing new things. High Republic is a good indication of them wanting to do this, even if it's only set 200 years before.
