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I've never played tabletop before but I'll admit this looks incredibly interesting. I just wish I had some more time to invest into a hobby like this. :(
Well, X-wing is not time-intensive. Minis are pre-painted.
Buy stuff, design a team (using an online tool to save time), play a game that lasts about 1h-1.5h ignoring preparations.
 

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There Auzituk is the only ship in standard play with reinforce capabilities.
The titular X-Wing sure could use some benefits.
You know, Reinforce would fit the original X-wing pretty well, me thinks.
"Shields double-front", that's what the Red Leader said, i think. And this is exactly what Reinforce mechanic represents, if i figured it out correctly (i don't have Auzituck's myself).

So, a title that adds Reinforce action for X-wings, possible with cost adjustment (-1 or -2 maybe), how's that sound?
Certainly would be more interesting than merely tweaking the ship's cost and replicating functions from others, like Vaksai, A-wing Test Pilot or... well, something.
 

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You know, Reinforce would fit the original X-wing pretty well, me thinks.
"Shields double-front", that's what the Red Leader said, i think. And this is exactly what Reinforce mechanic represents, if i figured it out correctly (i don't have Auzituck's myself).

So, a title that adds Reinforce action for X-wings, possible with cost adjustment (-1 or -2 maybe), how's that sound?
Certainly would be more interesting than merely tweaking the ship's cost and replicating functions from others, like Vaksai, A-wing Test Pilot or... well, something.
FFG has been great at making the retroactive ship buffs unique. The dual titles released in Imp Vets for the Defender are my favorite because of how effective and fun they are, yet they lead to completely different play styles. TIE/D was my favorite thing to fly until Gunboats came out, and flying them together has been pure joy.

Sometimes I wonder if the designers are waiting for a certain combination of abilities and balances to release their preferred X-Wing fix. A variety of titles, like the Defender has, would be so fun!
 

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FFS, even my updated FO aces team isn't serving well. My brother blew up my Blackout with an Advanced Proton Torpedoes from Biggs. Blanked on reroll evade too.
 

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Advanced Proton Torpedoes with a focus token is mean, and green dice (even three of them) are fickle. I'd be more surprised if you easily survived the exchange.

I remember how lucky my opponent was one time when he survived a 5-dice Proton Rocket in his Interceptor. I didn't expect him to.
 

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I did win ultimately but man, no thanks to the TIE Silencer at all. It did NOTHING but tanked the APTs.

This time i had Blackout with VI but i flew him to poor position as Biggs got too close eventually. The best part is, it wasn't a poor position at first, as it allowed me to shoot through obstacle very well. Only, rolling two hits vs two evade results...

I will try the TIE Silencer one more time seriously, this time with Kylo with PTL and some other stuff (not sure what to fly with him though, maybe a couple of TIE/sf for style). I'm starting to think the ship is cursed in my hands.
 

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WAVE 14 BABYYYYYYYYYYY

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Ooooh fuck! Two titles specific for the T-65! One looks to be reversible, the other I have no idea. And it looks like there are 4 of the S-Foils and 3 of the other titles, so I probably don't need to buy two of the boxes, which is nice since I don't want a third U-Wing.

The Reaper is another Imperial small ship releasing in a box. I'm hugely hyped that they're going all in with the jamming actions and weapon disabled mechanic. It's time that all the unique mechanics get dispersed more evenly. I'll probably get two for whatever that small ship munitions upgrade is, and to match my 5 Strikers.

Edit - ooh, I'm liking the return of the Flight Assist Astromech upgrade card. I bought a second Phantom II expansion so I could cut one up to mod a Ghost ship with the new shuttle, but that card was what I used to justify the purchase... Everything else was unique.
 
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Looks like there's one title and one mod for X-wing. Four double-sided modifications, and three "Renegade Refit" titles. Saw people noting that the title probably allows for double-mods, so you can fly Integrated Astromech with the S-foil mod, or perhaps whatever else you choose.
Also bunch of newbie pilots for the X-wing. Reckon those are priced so that with cheap droid, title and two mods they're reasonable filler.

I wonder, who will, themed lists aside, fly the Lambda after TIE Reaper? Soo many ships in the game feel like they could use some tweaking compared to newer ones.

I'm gonna need another TIE Striker to go with the TIE Reaper. You know, proper symmetric escort.
And maybe i'll need to get the Phantom II to get another Flight Assist Astromech. But if i start with that, i kinda want to get the Ghost and other Rebels stuff at once. Sigh.
 

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Looks like there's one title and one mod for X-wing. Four double-sided modifications, and three "Renegade Refit" titles. Saw people noting that the title probably allows for double-mods, so you can fly Integrated Astromech with the S-foil mod, or perhaps whatever else you choose.
Also bunch of newbie pilots for the X-wing. Reckon those are priced so that with cheap droid, title and two mods they're reasonable filler.

I wonder, who will, themed lists aside, fly the Lambda after TIE Reaper? Soo many ships in the game feel like they could use some tweaking compared to newer ones.

I'm gonna need another TIE Striker to go with the TIE Reaper. You know, proper symmetric escort.
And maybe i'll need to get the Phantom II to get another Flight Assist Astromech. But if i start with that, i kinda want to get the Ghost and other Rebels stuff at once. Sigh.
Ah, I see the italicised 'Modif-' on the cards now. Honestly, I hope the S-Foils are potent enough replace Integrated Astromech instead of allowing for both. The game gets too convoluted when multiple bandaids are daisy chained together. You might be right, though, because it looks like the Renegade Refit seems to allow for some Modification chicanery in its text.

Saw Gurera is an incredible 1 pt. crew! Convert all focus results to critical hits in exchange for suffering one damage! There are plenty of times where I would have sacrifices an entire undamaged ship just too let it land multiple crits when lacking a focus token. Only one point!!!

Wow wow, wait a minute!

The TIE Reaper is a... small base ship?
I want to run a couple Reapers and a Silencer together, now.
 

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The game gets too convoluted when multiple bandaids are daisy chained together.
There are very few cases where this happens really. Wouldn't be really worried about this.
And unless there's gonna be a large revision, bandaid is the best they can do while new ships continue power creep/simply better design.

Depending how the Refit card and S-foils work, there could be other options than Integrated Astromech unless you're on budget. Guidance Chips would be an option if you load some torpedoes. Or perhaps Vectored Thrusters. That said, the game needs more cheap, low-end modification options useful in general, like TIEs have Lightweight Frame and Twin Ion Engines Mk.II or even Targeting Computer.

BTW, If you look at the closed version of the S-foil card, it has a boost icon. Unfortunately it probably doesn't add an action bar icon, so no Autothrusters for X-wings.
 

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Oh, right, i forgot, had one rules question that came up in our last game.

Stressed TIE Silencer with Advanced Sensors and Pattern Analyzer.
Can the ship use boost or barrel roll before its move?

RAW, stress prevents free actions, and what Advanced Sensors does is to grant a free action. But Pattern Analyzer allows boost and barrel roll even while stressed.

We figured that no, PA doesn't allow doing a free boost or barrel roll because the free action granted by AS is forbidden by stress.
Didn't find any similar cases while via google.


(Presumably this would work if AS specified free boost or barrel roll action?)
 
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I never expected I would be buying a U-Wing. And this one shouldn't be as easy to get rid of as the Heroes Falcon was. Welp.

Oh, right, i forgot, had one rules question that came up in our last game.

Stressed TIE Silencer with Advanced Sensors and Pattern Analyzer.
Can the ship use boost or barrel roll before its move?

RAW, stress prevents free actions, and what Advanced Sensors does is to grant a free action. But Pattern Analyzer allows boost and barrel roll even while stressed.

We figured that no, PA doesn't allow doing a free boost or barrel roll because the free action granted by AS is forbidden by stress.
Didn't find any similar cases while via google.


(Presumably this would work if AS specified free boost or barrel roll action?)

A stressed ship with Advanced Sensors and Primed Thrusters (not Pattern Analyzer :P) can make a Boost or Barrell Roll before moving, yep. A "free action" is just a way to differentiate any action granted by a card or effect from the regular action you can take in the, erm, Action Phase. That creates some interesting shenaningans (hello boosting out a rock) but when it comes to stress is just like a regular action: usually you can't do it, *but* if there's something that grants you an exception, then you can. And there comes Primed Thrusters.

Actually, if that stressed Silencer also had Push the Limits, it could even do a Boost+Barrel Roll before moving.




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Looks like the X-Wing has closed S-Foils in this picture.... Moveable wings on the X-Wing?

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So, since the official playmats are so damn hard to find (not to mention expensive), would you guys recommend any of the other brands?
 

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Hey guys, just ran into a rule problem, maybe you guys know what's up?
Friend was running Miranda, but had a Weapons Failure. He wanted to attack with one fewer attack die to recover 1 shield. But due to the Weapons Failure he only had 1 attack die, so he had no die to attack with. Are you able to attack with 0 attack die?
In the end we figured since you can't shoot, you can't attack and therefore cannot recover your shield. But maybe it is possible?
 
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You can attack and roll 0 dice, yep, in the same way you can spend a focus token to turn 0 Eye results or a Target Lock to reroll 0 dice. Or the Blind Pilot crit from the red Core Set, that makes you roll no dice on your next attack (and thus still giving you the chance to use cards like Accuracy Corrector or Vader crew)
 

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You can attack and roll 0 dice, yep, in the same way you can spend a focus token to turn 0 Eye results or a Target Lock to reroll 0 dice. Or the Blind Pilot crit from the red Core Set, that makes you roll no dice on your next attack (and thus still giving you the chance to use cards like Accuracy Corrector or Vader crew)
Cool thanks for the clarification!
 

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Flew Lothal Rebel Fenn on Friday night. My god that list is good. I won games against players and lists that I normally struggle against. It's gonna be everywhere I swear.
 

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Meta Wing now let you post the list in image form!
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During movement, the ghost moves and focuses, Fenn gets to boost/br for position and then uses the coordinate to have the ghost boost, which can be used to get one of the firing arcs into range one or to get the ship out of the range 1 bubble to TLT.
Then while attacking, Fenns hotshot copilot removes a focus from a ship, uses his ability to to prevent that ship from putting too much damage into the ghost (sensor jammer also adds to this).
Then when the ghost fires, it re-rolls any (usually 2) dice with maul, taking the appropriate stress and then ezra kicks in and gives you a crit. Once you hit, you remove a stress. Then you either fire the TLT (again, using maul) at the end or repeat the same next round.
Once Fenn dies, you just fly the ghost away and TLT the hell out of the other ships.

Of the 4 games I played on Friday, I won 3 of them. Losing only to a RACLo.

In regards to how to beat this list, you need to keep your distance and kill Fenn first. My opponents tried to rush the ghost and paid for it dearly. Fenn dies really easily, so kill him first as it cripples the ghost. Then you have free reign to pile everything you've got into it and secure the win.

Attack the ghost from the side if possible once Fenn is gone and try to get into that range 1 bubble of TLT. Its pretty much the only way you'll kill it.

RACLo is an obvious counter to it as it can shut that ship down and converting a hit to a focus only turns it into a crit with RAC's ability.
 
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Trying to decide on a 42 point wingman for my 58point Fat Han build. The obvious choice is Poe but do not own the Heroes of the Resistance pack so I do not have the Black One title or PS9 Poe. So my options are:

Miranda - TLT, Harpoon Missile, Bomblet Generator, Long Range Scanners.
No room for Sabine as I want to keep the missile threat. Went 1-1 with this build in the list against Nym/Miranda and Triple Starviper lists.

Nym - TLT, Bomblet Generator, Title, Accuracy Corrector, Long Range Scanners.
Again no Sabine but has consistent damage output against low agility ships. Went 2-0 with this build against Ghost/Fenn and Nym/Miranda lists.

Norra - PTL, R2-D2, Title, Vectored Thrusters, either Hot Shot Co-Pilot or Chewbacca crew. Have not flow this yet. I have C3-PO on the Falcon so I need a different crew. I like Chewy for the extra 2 hit points to keep her and the list tanky. Hot Shot is good as well. Could use engine upgrade and go with another lower point crew.
 
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Trying to decide on a 42 point wingman for my 58point Fat Han build. The obvious choice is Poe but do not own the Heroes of the Resistance pack so I do not have the Black One title or PS9 Poe. So my options are:

Miranda - TLT, Harpoon Missile, Bomblet Generator, Long Range Scanners.
No room for Sabine as I want to keep the missile threat. Went 1-1 with this build in the list against Nym/Miranda and Triple Starviper lists.

Nym - TLT, Bomblet Generator, Title, Accuracy Corrector, Long Range Scanners.
Again no Sabine but has consistent damage output against low agility ships. Went 2-0 with this build against Ghost/Fenn and Nym/Miranda lists.

Norra - PTL, R2-D2, Title, Vectored Thrusters, either Hot Shot Co-Pilot or Chewbacca crew. Have not flow this yet. I have C3-PO on the Falcon so I need a different crew. I like Chewy for the extra 2 hit points to keep her and the list tanky. Hot Shot is good as well. Could use engine upgrade and go with another lower point crew.

Both, Miranda an Nym, are really great for their cost. At the end, chosing between those two is a matter of what do you want: survivability (Miranda) or damage efficiency/area control (Nym).

Norra... would be the "fuck finesse, let's hit like a truck" option. Although I'm not sure on the Hot Shot. It would be extremely good against Deadeye lists, but otherwise Norra's lower PS compared to Han would make it less useful overall... and is still lots of points. Chewie is a neat option. Alternatives would be Rey (which sadly you don't have) or a classic: Tail Gunner. Along Norra's ability and the ARC title, can be devastating.

Between the three, *I* think I'll go either with Miranda for the "let's win" factor.



In my case, I'm thinking on what to bring to the Open at Bologna, Italy. Initially I had my Quickdraw-HLC Rho's on mind, but latelly I've been leaning towards my true love: Firesprays. An updated Asajj-Emon list, the one I used in Tatooine/Euros last year could be an option, but I'm very tempted to go with what a variant of what the guys around here call Plow King.Mr Plowwould be a Ketsu-Bossk list with a similar philosphy:

Kath Scarlet (Scum) — Firespray-31 38
Fearlessness 1
Dengar 3
Cluster Missiles 4
Glitterstim 2
Guidance Chips 0
Ship Total: 48

Boba Fett (Scum) — Firespray-31 39
Fearlessness 1
Maul 3 (usually K4, but I think Maul should do a great job)
Cluster Missiles 4
Glitterstim 2
Extra Munitions 2
Guidance Chips 0
Slave I 0
Ship Total: 51


There's a 214 guys unofficial tournament in Madrid in two weeks, I guess I'll properly test the Maul change there.
 
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Been very quiet lately, is everyone still around? Back to GAF?

I was just curious if there was a legal and reliable way to buy individual cards? A friend is gifting me all of the huge ships and cards that go along with them, but not the smaller ships and cards that come with them. I'm not going to buy all of the huge ships again just to get the cards, so I was wondering how to get my hands on them. I'd like the actual cards and would prefer not to rely on printing them out myself.
 

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Its damn quiet because therw ain't news. Damn FFG.

And all I've done is to lose like 4-5 games in row row againt my brother. Damn dice.
 

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Its damn quiet because therw ain't news. Damn FFG.

And all I've done is to lose like 4-5 games in row row againt my brother. Damn dice.

What're you guys flying? I tried Rey+Lowhhrick the other day for the first time and had a blast with that combo. I absolutely destroyed my friend (the guy that got me into X-wing) who was flying Imps, but just a ragtag group he thew together at the last minute.
 

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I've recently been to the UK Systems open, was a great weekend, expensive, but great.

I did poorly, losing my first 2 games and getting knocked out of the main tournament, but the amount of prizes you get just for going as well as the stuff people make to give out at games is amazing. I got so much cool stuff. Definitely recommend it over a nationals as it's got a more relaxed vibe for those who want to just go and have fun but the top tables still have the high competition for those who want to go serious. Highly recommend.

Also, Darren Tan is an artist for various FFG games, his art is amazing, he uploaded this to his instagram recently:
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I've recently been to the UK Systems open, was a great weekend, expensive, but great.

I did poorly, losing my first 2 games and getting knocked out of the main tournament, but the amount of prizes you get just for going as well as the stuff people make to give out at games is amazing. I got so much cool stuff. Definitely recommend it over a nationals as it's got a more relaxed vibe for those who want to just go and have fun but the top tables still have the high competition for those who want to go serious. Highly recommend.

Also, Darren Tan is an artist for various FFG games, his art is amazing, he uploaded this to his instagram recently:
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SIDE. GUN.
I was really expecting an auxiliary arc leading up to the original announcement article for the U-Wing. I imagine we'll see a 270-degree arc in total, covering everything but the rearmost 90-degrees.
 
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Opens are amazing events and blow out the water any other official tournament solely by all the stuff you can get with minimal effort. Is one of the reasons I'm so salty Spain didn't get one this year, although I'll go to the one in Italy in three weeks. The saltiness also provoqued me (and many other people) to not go the our National as protest, and "only" had 200 attendees at the end. Which is still a lot, but for the 'main' event on this country feels lacking. Hell, three weeks ago I went to Madrid to an unnofficial tournament and we were 214 players. The trading/giving away stuff was a complete madness btw. Sure, I gave away a ton of cards I still had from old batches plus my new Gunboat/Glitterstim cards, but holy cow on all the shit I received back. Hell, I even got some pricy old official promo cards and a pair of regional dice!

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(half the cards on the far right are jokes related to local squads or local personalities. And they are all hilarious once you know what is what. My favourite is the double Atanni Mindlink card using a Uri Geller image and titled "Enlace mental cuchara" (Spoon Mindlink) from the Escuadrón Cuchara (Spoon Squad)).

On what I'm playing, in one side I'm testing thigs for Italy, and right now I'm between the double Firespray list that can be found some posts above, a Quickdraw/HLC Rho's build, or a weird Boba-Fenn-Sunny. On the other, the "lets fly something fun" side, I've been toying with what I call A Bug's Life (ninja Quadjumper, Sunny, Genesis and Thweek) and three T-70 builds (being the last one Ello-Nien-Jess).

Although this morning I decided to took the Boba-Fenn-Sunny list and switched Boba for good ol' Emon for a friendly game. Good stuff :D

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I like Assault Gunboats but i can't figure how i increase their damage output AND make use of that well. As about 25-point secondary supporting ships i can make them work but not as the primary component.
Doesn't help the time i flew Karsabi with heavy laser cannon, i kept rolling blanks. Hell, of the games i've lost against my brother recently, i've lost most because my luck has been completely and utterly awful (and my brother's has been very good).

"Harpoon missiles" are not the answer as far as i'm concerned, i regard them too good, and thematically and stylistically completely wrong (fucking harpoons, really?). Really, those missiles should be worse than they are, and Scum-only.
 

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Free barrel rolls, boosts, and talon rolls PLUS a 2 pt reduction. I'm definitely picking up two of these sets!
 

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Interestingly there will have to be errata for original X-wings, adding T-65 to their name. Otherwise the new cards cannot be used RAW, no?
 

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Time to dust off my X-Wings! Wasn't sure I was gonna get this set but I will be now.

What list is gonna win Worlds? I'm going with Rey/Lowrrick. :)
 
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Anything but Miranda or VCX-something. Or nope, forget that. I hope there's a final between those and they FAQ them to the ground afterwards.

Although these days* Ive heard some beauty things that will be announced this next Tuesday. If half of them are true, we are in for a treat.


*More exactly, during the System Open Series on Italy, this past weekend. And what a wonderful event it was, between the people (half the attendee were from outside Italy, including ~35 guys from Spain and similar amounts from UK and Poland, and it was marvelous), the avenue (beautiful and peaceful place), the prizes and the food. Holy cow the food. So cheap (on the pasta/pizza side) and so good.

On the tournament itself, I was going to use King Plow, the Kath-Boba list with dual Cluster Missiles/Fearlessness/Glitterstim, but at the last moment a friend convinced me to change to the Quickdraw and 2x HLC Rho's list I had for the Hyperespace.side event. I passed the first cut without many problems (lost the first game against the eventual champion, Bartoszc, and then crushed a triple Wookie and a Nym-Jostero-Kimogila list), but a Chiri-Raging Quickdraw kicked my ass on the first game on Stage 2 and I dropped as I didn't have any chance to reach Stage 3, playing a couple friendly games with people there. I kinda regret not going the dual Firespray way, not because it was a better match against that last list (spoiler: it's not :P) but I think I already had my mind on it and I would have flown better.

The next day, on the Hyperspace, we only had time to play four games as we had to take a plane and did a relaxed 2-2.

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^Final bounty, although yesterday I changed a couple shields from last year's Open for the new ones from a friend that made it to the top16. Sadly I didn't encounter many rivals with freebies. They all loved my gifts, tho!
 
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