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Stardew Valley Mafia | OT | Planting lies, harvesting bodies
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I've never been mafia and I know that little detail (because I read scum chat at the end of games >>;) so whether you know it or not doesn't mean much to me. Most new player scum are usually told by their scum mates to act ignorant about mechanics instead of just asking in scum chat because it makes them look more innocent and townie.
I know you are a veteran player, but how do I know you are not keeping this act up just to make it look like you aren't scum.
I disagree utterly and completely and I believe I have already outlined a plausible cause for Mafia!Reki to do exactly that as succinctly as I think I can.
I promise you by all that is unholy and sacred in this universe that I am not faking ignorance about it, PLEASE
I DO NOT KNOW HOW MAFIA WORKS
I HAVE TO GO TO SLEEP NOW
I AM LEWIS. MAYOR. TOWN MESSENGER.
DON'T VOTE ME OUT. WE'LL LOSE.
GOOD DAY.
I AM LEWIS. MAYOR. TOWN MESSENGER.
DON'T VOTE ME OUT. WE'LL LOSE.
GOOD DAY.
ALSO FOR THE RECORD I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I HONESTLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT HAPPENED TO STAN AND THE SUBSEQUENT REPLACEMENT. PLEASE DO NOT THINK I AM IN ANYWAY BEING SULKY AND/OR PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE ABOUT IT. I AM NOT. I TAKE IT IN STRIDE. AND THEM'S THE RULES. JUSTIFIED IS JUSTIFIED.
#LAWFULEVIL
#LAWFULEVIL
Sorry for the wait. You won't believe me folks but the router went rogue with internet, wondering if there's some sort of maintanance going on or what.
Yeah, sorry about that, it's just that when people don't answer in some time you never know if to go or to stay.
Good mafia can sometimes be better than sleep though, so whatever.
I'll be answering some specific parts Blarg, if you want me to address something I didn't just say so.
We all know chaos is your playstyle, and we've seen it in other players too but, in my humble opinion, it may be incredibly dangerous for town.
First, it gives some form of "free pass" to those players. When subbing in I noted that this was my first time playing with you, and the thing that caught my attention was your open role-fishing. If I did that kind of stuff I'd get serious side-eyes, because that's not something that's normally associated with the way I play.
Second, town gambits are super risky when you consider the limited information to work with, especially early in the game. You were lucky in hitting mafia with the Poison ruse - a 4/20 chance after all - and you saying that "it must be planned out carefully before creating." is a bit weird considering you picked Maol due to a particular exchange between you.
There's one thing you're not considering, the confirmation power of the roles we've seen.
Whoever you message can confirm that they got a message; same can be said of the Fruit Vendor, the Party Host and whatever Loki's role is called. With that in mind, this game would probably have a few claims and confirmations in the first few phases, and as such the Tracker could understand why are they getting the results they're getting.
So, the apparent negative utility of the role is compensated by having other sources of confirmation for town. Without even considering that the Tracker could even confirm a Doctor claim in a potential deathless night, for example.
What about the Messenger? I believe it was put into the mafia team not only to generate noise and misdirection, but to have one confirmed power that's not actually town-aligned. It's super easy for a confirmed player to rest on that confirmation, since people rarely go for the confirmed powers first - unless they're normally associated to the baddies -.
By having a Messenger as a baddie, that flip could be there to remind players to never think something is a 100% safe assumption, kind of similar to how some flavor names are given a role that's contradictory with the flavor just to mess with people's expectations.
While I can see the general point, you have to remember both the Strongman and the Switcher were limited to 2-shots. When we're talking limited shots, players usually use these as soon as possible to avoid taking a chance at a strong-kill, for exaple, to the tomb, should they die.
That being said, the space for coordination in the mafia configuration you mention gets smaller when players use their shots.
Can't recall if I said it, but I see the Switcher as partly a counter to my role. However, they're limited when I'm not, and the differential in balance is probably loaded on the chance of negative utility we talked about earlier.
Being super honest I do love seeing all this work, it's nice!
Ok, let's try this kind of argument but with my case instead, you say I'm a careful, deliberate player after all. Why would mafia!Reki put their vote on LP with three more baddies to save a Goon? What's worse, on D2.
This is one of the problems I have with current Blarg, he's a bit too self-centered. Stan noted it too if I remember correctly.
I don't really follow here, why would it be obviously me if Stan, the confirmed player, was killed?
What I have to wonder is why wasn't he killed way earlier, if players like fep were.
No problem! I don't think I know what you're referring to though, sorry.
Yeah, sorry about that, it's just that when people don't answer in some time you never know if to go or to stay.
Good mafia can sometimes be better than sleep though, so whatever.
I'll be answering some specific parts Blarg, if you want me to address something I didn't just say so.
We all know chaos is your playstyle, and we've seen it in other players too but, in my humble opinion, it may be incredibly dangerous for town.
First, it gives some form of "free pass" to those players. When subbing in I noted that this was my first time playing with you, and the thing that caught my attention was your open role-fishing. If I did that kind of stuff I'd get serious side-eyes, because that's not something that's normally associated with the way I play.
Second, town gambits are super risky when you consider the limited information to work with, especially early in the game. You were lucky in hitting mafia with the Poison ruse - a 4/20 chance after all - and you saying that "it must be planned out carefully before creating." is a bit weird considering you picked Maol due to a particular exchange between you.
There's one thing you're not considering, the confirmation power of the roles we've seen.
Whoever you message can confirm that they got a message; same can be said of the Fruit Vendor, the Party Host and whatever Loki's role is called. With that in mind, this game would probably have a few claims and confirmations in the first few phases, and as such the Tracker could understand why are they getting the results they're getting.
So, the apparent negative utility of the role is compensated by having other sources of confirmation for town. Without even considering that the Tracker could even confirm a Doctor claim in a potential deathless night, for example.
What about the Messenger? I believe it was put into the mafia team not only to generate noise and misdirection, but to have one confirmed power that's not actually town-aligned. It's super easy for a confirmed player to rest on that confirmation, since people rarely go for the confirmed powers first - unless they're normally associated to the baddies -.
By having a Messenger as a baddie, that flip could be there to remind players to never think something is a 100% safe assumption, kind of similar to how some flavor names are given a role that's contradictory with the flavor just to mess with people's expectations.
While I can see the general point, you have to remember both the Strongman and the Switcher were limited to 2-shots. When we're talking limited shots, players usually use these as soon as possible to avoid taking a chance at a strong-kill, for exaple, to the tomb, should they die.
That being said, the space for coordination in the mafia configuration you mention gets smaller when players use their shots.
Can't recall if I said it, but I see the Switcher as partly a counter to my role. However, they're limited when I'm not, and the differential in balance is probably loaded on the chance of negative utility we talked about earlier.
Being super honest I do love seeing all this work, it's nice!
Ok, let's try this kind of argument but with my case instead, you say I'm a careful, deliberate player after all. Why would mafia!Reki put their vote on LP with three more baddies to save a Goon? What's worse, on D2.
This is one of the problems I have with current Blarg, he's a bit too self-centered. Stan noted it too if I remember correctly.
I don't really follow here, why would it be obviously me if Stan, the confirmed player, was killed?
What I have to wonder is why wasn't he killed way earlier, if players like fep were.
No problem! I don't think I know what you're referring to though, sorry.
If you need sleep you should do that instead D: I want to finish this whole thing up tonight if possible, but I'm totally willing to sleep on it if everyone needs rest.
In either case I'm sure spec chat is yelling at me to figure out who the last mafia is and do it so we can end the game. XD
I'm honestly a terrible person to choose for subbing in during endgame even if I've been keeping up with the thread .-.
I have to agree here as a lot of the gambits blarg tried spread way to much misinformation for very little reward. It is amazing he it scum (which would honestly make more sense if he's scum) with so many players but it could have been a wasted gambit if he hit town.
The whole hardhat business also messed up figuring out town roles for a day as people thought it was what the strongman was for so that didn't really help.
Now part of me was wondering why scum!Blarg would do the poison gambit with fellow scum!Mao, and the only reason I can think of honestly is to try and distance themselves and make one party look better in case the other flipped.
I'm pretty sure that Blarg would be a counter to your role as well since he'd be able to claim town messenger if you tracked him one night. XD
Agreed but at the same time Blarg has been putting forth a lot of theories on how scum might try and get him out pretty much all game. I think one day start he actually asked why confirmed messenger him was targeted for a night kill? (I might be wrong, but he has way too many posts for me to even want to bother checking up on that).
Now part of me was kind of wondering why Reki's power which is quite useful would be unlimited as I'm pretty sure most tracker powers come with limited amount of shots, but then again considering how many foil roles there are in the game it also seems reasonable enough I guess that the game runners decided to make you unlimited, especially since there are also a lot of vanilla roles and even a goon in the mix.
I mean their results alone sort of prove that it wasn't to unreasonable if they are town, considering they only got results last night.
I mean their results alone sort of prove that it wasn't to unreasonable if they are town, considering they only got results last night.
By the way I'm sleepy, sorry for the typos.
That's the way I see it, Mao can be pretty bold sometimes. Remember when he pushed Stan super hard in his first game?
You're right in this. Maybe the same exercise that I mentioned with Stan could be done here, thinking why wouldn't mafia kill Blarg if he was town.
No need to repeat it, you know. I have feelings.
That's the way I see it, Mao can be pretty bold sometimes. Remember when he pushed Stan super hard in his first game?
You're right in this. Maybe the same exercise that I mentioned with Stan could be done here, thinking why wouldn't mafia kill Blarg if he was town.
No need to repeat it, you know. I have feelings.
Yeah he has shown a knack for trying out pretty risky gambits in the past, so I could see it possibly as something going on between them.
The only reason I would see mafia keeping Blarg alive is because of how he plays and the fact that they thought they could convince town to lunch him at some point even if his power is really confirmable. I mean scum has kept townie me alive for really long times in games even when I've been largely town read so I wouldn't put it past them.
I'm sorry :< But if it makes you feel any better I roleblocked the town tracker and alignment checked the miller in HvV2 we all make mistakes. XD
Looking at the Vote Tool it was D2 when Blarg received the highest amount of votes, with 4. On D1, D4 and D9 he received only one vote. So yeah, he was never a serious candidate.
It actually makes me feel a bit better. Was that the game in which you had a Neighborhood with other players?
I was kinda waiting for you to sub in earlier, the game was lacking another big-volume poster after Stu subbed out, so you sounded perfect.
Let's do it this way, Loki. I don't see my mind changing too much on this subject, considering wee and you are basically confirmed, and it's almost 6 AM. So;
VOTE: Blargonaut
If you have any more questions for me, please just say so. If not, I'll go to sleep and you can take all the time you need to re-read and think. If you settle on Blarg, you can end the game if you feel like doing so, or just wait if you so desire. If you want to vote me, well, you'll need to wait for someone else to be around.
Although I'm normally against turbos I'm at a point in which I'm exhausted enough that I think it's better for the game to end. The debate is a bit tired and wee seemed ok with ending too. I'll just applaud them if they're the last baddie, I really wouldn't mind losing to them.
Now if you're a meanie, though, that'd be a discussion for the Season Review.
Yep. I was a mod confirmed townie and member of the illuminati. XD This is my second time being mod confirmed, but it's already way nicer because people aren't automatically suspicious of me just because it's a bastard game .-.
That seems like a reasonable plan c:
I basically have 11 hours at this point to decide where I'm voting and while I am admittedly leaning Blarg I need to debate it a bit more either with myself or someone else. XD
I appreciate that you welcomed my presence in joining this game and if I vote blarg and you end up being scum then good game. If you are town and i vote you sorry. XD
I honestly hate all this pressure on me right now because my vote may make or break the game .-. For that reason I think I may sleep on it to see if I feel more confident in my vote.
Reki is right that most of the conversations we could have have basically been had at this point and I know wee wanted me to end the game when I'm ready, but when you see this wee I'd really like to here what you thought of Blarg's posts in his defense and if they have altered your opinion or not on him.
I know I might be prolonging a already long game, but I really want to be sure on this, so I can be proud when I enter spec. chat ;w;
Reki is right that most of the conversations we could have have basically been had at this point and I know wee wanted me to end the game when I'm ready, but when you see this wee I'd really like to here what you thought of Blarg's posts in his defense and if they have altered your opinion or not on him.
I know I might be prolonging a already long game, but I really want to be sure on this, so I can be proud when I enter spec. chat ;w;
That's nice.
I've vever played a bastard setup though, don't think I'd be able to handle another layer of potential lies.
Please don't feel pressured! Apologies if my post came across like that.
Totally fair.
Good night!
It was a lot of fun, and (pretty stressful) but I def recommend it. XD
It wasn't your post at all! So no worries there. I'm just feeling the pressure because everyone in spec.chat is watching me. .-. This is my first endgame like this since in my first case I was having to convince town to not vote out Ket and I. XD
Night! See you all in the morning I guess. XD
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I was being confused between tracker and watcher, and trying to make a point that makes no sense after I thought about it for a while.
Also to see how blarg would respond, yes.
As soon as I read the PM from blarg begging me to not kill him, I wanted desperately to kill him more.
And his defensiveness looks scummy. Even in Lylo.
Also the fact that I submitted a self heal and then there was no death really messed up my brain for a bit there. It was just SO coincidental that I was afraid the game runners accidentally let me do a thing i can't do because their brains went poof. And then I thought, who would do that. And it wasn't reki unless I really don't know them at all, which, fair, I have barely played with them.
Back but with intermittent access and I probably won't be around at Game-end
I feel like weemad's voting against me choosing to ignore this entire game's proceedings all for a meta vote whim. Utter trash vote and lazy, I don't care I will call you out for it even if you don't like it or me
Loki pls.
At this point, I've made peace with Town God knowing that if I get mislunched because of your bad choices, I at least gain only the finest "I told you so" gloating privileges. Neither of you will ever live it down. Strike me down only more powerful than you can etc.
I feel like weemad's voting against me choosing to ignore this entire game's proceedings all for a meta vote whim. Utter trash vote and lazy, I don't care I will call you out for it even if you don't like it or me
Loki pls.
At this point, I've made peace with Town God knowing that if I get mislunched because of your bad choices, I at least gain only the finest "I told you so" gloating privileges. Neither of you will ever live it down. Strike me down only more powerful than you can etc.
PLEASE NO WEEMAD DON'T KILL ME I'M BEGGING YOU I'M ON MT FIGURATIVE HANDS AND KNEES AND KNUCKLES AND TOES BEGGING YOU NOT TO KILL ME, BLARGONAUT, WEEMAD PLEASE I'M TELLING YOU YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE PLEASE DON'T KILL ME NO NO NO NO PLEASE PLEASE
Thank you for the response then.
So that's your reasoning then? Okay then XD
Good to see I went to sleep and found that my opinion still really hasn't changed in that I'm still deciding. Good news is that my work is closed today due to snow so no worries there. However, I am still tired as I'm just checking in after being told I don't have work. Part of me wants to continue sleeping on it but facts are it's better I end the game just so I don't sleep past end day. XD
Blarg's begging for his life is honestly not doing much for me as it could be really desperate town or it could be mafia really trying to squeeze in a win when the chips are down.
If he's town then I know where he's coming from as on the other time I've been around for endgame, my first post of the day was telling no one to vote until I had said my piece which spec. Chat said looked pretty scummy. But hey it worked. So Blarg if you are town then I'm sorry you are in this spot and you definitely deserve to say I told you so if I end up voting you.
Blarg's begging for his life is honestly not doing much for me as it could be really desperate town or it could be mafia really trying to squeeze in a win when the chips are down.
If he's town then I know where he's coming from as on the other time I've been around for endgame, my first post of the day was telling no one to vote until I had said my piece which spec. Chat said looked pretty scummy. But hey it worked. So Blarg if you are town then I'm sorry you are in this spot and you definitely deserve to say I told you so if I end up voting you.
Lol I already turned down the mods on extending the day I am not prolonging the day if we can.
Especially because there's a chance mafia would let me live and I'd have to decide who wins the game all over again XD
When stan was pretty set on it I gave up arguing but I just felt town would lose.
I've never made it to endgame before. It's hard lol.
But reki has still been solving and blarg has only been doing self preservation and making up ANY scenario that could possibly explain him being town, and the 2 behaviors make reki look more town than blarg. Also maolfunction was using LP and donna as "easy" targets since day 1, and I dunno that one of the two would be a partner in that case.
Okay that is fair reasoning. To be honest a lot of posts Blarg has been posting have been rubbing me the wrong way in various ways and while there are a few points that have made me doubt whether i should vote him, for the most point I'm still convinced he is scum possibly.
Howeve, I really really don't want to be wrong on this. XD If I vote Blarg and he ends up town, will you take full responsibility for town's loss? XD
All right fine. I was going to wait but that honestly seems silly since there isn't much to talk about at this point. wee is clearly staying on Blarg so I can either tie this sucker and prolong our suffering or end it now and while I do have doubts (that's my secret I'm always doubting) I do think out of the two Blarg is more suspicious over all and most of his arguments have been weaker.
If Reki is scum then congrats or having a very excellent game. If Blarg is town, uh sorry town but this isn't completely my fault. XD
I'm fine with whatever outcome we see.
VOTE: BLARGONAUT
If Reki is scum then congrats or having a very excellent game. If Blarg is town, uh sorry town but this isn't completely my fault. XD
I'm fine with whatever outcome we see.
VOTE: BLARGONAUT
Day 9 ends, Blargonaut, the Messenger is eliminated and MAFIA WINS!!
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And in the end, the evil corporation took control of the valley. Now whatever villagers are still left can spend the rest of their days thinking how things would have turned out if they had chosen a different path.
But they shouldn't need to struggle, because we all know: Life's better with Joja.
Blargonaut has died!
And with that, nothing can stop the mafia from achieving majority. MAFIA WINS!!
Reki has won!
Kalor has won!
Maolfunction has won!
Verelios has won!
(so they can also have the lil trophies)
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Congratulations to the Mafia for winning the game, and thank you to all that have played in our game!!
But they shouldn't need to struggle, because we all know: Life's better with Joja.
Blargonaut has died!
And with that, nothing can stop the mafia from achieving majority. MAFIA WINS!!
Reki has won!
Kalor has won!
Maolfunction has won!
Verelios has won!
(so they can also have the lil trophies)
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Congratulations to the Mafia for winning the game, and thank you to all that have played in our game!!
Maybe I should have convinced wee to vote for Reki better, but i really didn't see how and Blarg seemed like the better choice at the time.
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It was a fun game even though my involvement in it was short. XD
I guess this proves we town shouldn't put so much responsibility in the hands of a newbie out of towner. XD