I honestly don't remember or don't even think I've ever had the chance to experience being the final Mafia in a game so I actually literally don't know what I'm talking about with regards to that scenario's game mechanics. That's why I'm fumbling with that shit
I wouldn't openly speculate about that capability if i actually knew how it worked. I wouldn't introduce a weakness to my own position like that
I'm telling you I honestly don't know and also that's because I'm not Mafia this gane to even have a chance of knowing
I disagree utterly and completely and I believe I have already outlined a plausible cause for Mafia!Reki to do exactly that as succinctly as I think I can.There's plenty of reason why scum!you wouldn't kill anyone, but there still isn't a real reason why scum!Reki couldn't have killed Stan.
I promise you by all that is unholy and sacred in this universe that I am not faking ignorance about it, PLEASEI've never been mafia and I know that little detail (because I read scum chat at the end of games >>;) so whether you know it or not doesn't mean much to me. Most new player scum are usually told by their scum mates to act ignorant about mechanics instead of just asking in scum chat because it makes them look more innocent and townie.
I know you are a veteran player, but how do I know you are not keeping this act up just to make it look like you aren't scum.
Okay then ^^ Take your time, but I honestly want to get this over with tonight if possible just so I don't have to worry about it at work tomorrow.
I've already explained why I've played like I've played, and I did it all with pro-Town in mind. Too many players think chaos is only for Mafia to use but that's misguided. What's true is that chaos tends to benefit Mafia hence why it must be planned out carefully before creating. I believe every single instance of my Messaging has been justified as pro-Town.
Yes it works, but it makes less sense than having a Mafia Tracker. Yes, in the context of this game's other Roles the Messenger adds to the noise the other Town red herrings do, but for evil, so it has a chance to blend in with that crowd.
Then pit a Town Tracker against that; what is its purpose? A Tracker is meant to sort out who is capable of visiting others; let's say they manage to see the Mafia Messenger message somebody, so they see them move on someone. Now what? What will a Town Tracker do with that info except report it to the public? So everybody will know now that the player who is the Mafia Messenger is capable of visiting, right? One "harmless" evil in the middle of a pool of harmless good.
But a Town Tracker cannot differentiate which is good and which is evil. So a Town Tracker's usefulness in this game's context to Town, ends there. A Town Tracker existing in this game's context is weak, and barely justified.
Now THAT is a team-playing, true support Role in the midst of a team. Its existence in this game's context is doubly justified.
It can support the Mafia Strongman and Mafia Switcher in identifying priority of targets to kill; it can confirm who has Powers that actually affect/interrupt what Mafia does at Night in light of the Town red herrings. For example it could identify that the Town Commuter doesn't actually visit anyone if Mafia had missed a shot against them, so that helps Mafia know what they're dealing with. It can sort through players for Mafia.
AND IF I WAS MAFIA WHY WOULD I BEAT MAOL TO DEATH WITH A SPOON AKA DECADES-LONG DULL BUS
I get it, part of the reason is because he's up for lunch today as the only other suspect besides Reki, but before even Reki made their claim he was theorizing that the last mafia didn't do the kill specifically to make him look suspicious (based on his incorrect posts that last scum has to choose between their power or the NK) and in general he keeps theorizing how scum is going to try and get him out.
Mafia!Reki knows I can visit people to confirm my presence at Night. They can deduce that I won't msg Stan again because he supports me already.
They can also guess that I wouldn't bother visiting Reki themselves with a msg, because there's no strategic value in that to Blarg since they're already my called-out enemy.
So deduction ends up that I'd visit weemad last Night (which was true). Blarg would have the most to gain in confirming his presence to weemad.
So if Reki killed Stan and I visited weemad last Night to account for myself; it'd be painfully obvious that Reki killed Stan.
Reki I'm curious, forgive me and my sincere apology if you were indeed around at the time (memory amirite) but when weemad talks about me having a reputation for not killing, do you know what they're referring to? Humour me, I am vain
If you need sleep you should do that instead D: I want to finish this whole thing up tonight if possible, but I'm totally willing to sleep on it if everyone needs rest.Yeah, sorry about that, it's just that when people don't answer in some time you never know if to go or to stay.
Good mafia can sometimes be better than sleep though, so whatever.
We all know chaos is your playstyle, and we've seen it in other players too but, in my humble opinion, it may be incredibly dangerous for town.
Can't recall if I said it, but I see the Switcher as partly a counter to my role. However, they're limited when I'm not, and the differential in balance is probably loaded on the chance of negative utility we talked about earlier.
This is one of the problems I have with current Blarg, he's a bit too self-centered. Stan noted it too if I remember correctly.
Now part of me was wondering why scum!Blarg would do the poison gambit with fellow scum!Mao, and the only reason I can think of honestly is to try and distance themselves and make one party look better in case the other flipped.
Agreed but at the same time Blarg has been putting forth a lot of theories on how scum might try and get him out pretty much all game. I think one day start he actually asked why confirmed messenger him was targeted for a night kill? (I might be wrong, but he has way too many posts for me to even want to bother checking up on that).
I mean their results alone sort of prove that it wasn't to unreasonable if they are town, considering they only got results last night.
That's the way I see it, Mao can be pretty bold sometimes. Remember when he pushed Stan super hard in his first game?
You're right in this. Maybe the same exercise that I mentioned with Stan could be done here, thinking why wouldn't mafia kill Blarg if he was town.
The only reason I would see mafia keeping Blarg alive is because of how he plays and the fact that they thought they could convince town to lunch him at some point even if his power is really confirmable. I mean scum has kept townie me alive for really long times in games even when I've been largely town read so I wouldn't put it past them.
I'm sorry :< But if it makes you feel any better I roleblocked the town tracker and alignment checked the miller in HvV2 we all make mistakes. XD
If you need sleep you should do that instead D: I want to finish this whole thing up tonight if possible, but I'm totally willing to sleep on it if everyone needs rest.
In either case I'm sure spec chat is yelling at me to figure out who the last mafia is and do it so we can end the game. XD
I'm honestly a terrible person to choose for subbing in during endgame even if I've been keeping up with the thread .-.
It actually makes me feel a bit better. Was that the game in which you had a Neighborhood with other players?
I was kinda waiting for you to sub in earlier, the game was lacking another big-volume poster after Stu subbed out, so you sounded perfect.
Let's do it this way, Loki. I don't see my mind changing too much on this subject, considering wee and you are basically confirmed, and it's almost 6 AM. So;
VOTE: Blargonaut
If you have any more questions for me, please just say so. If not, I'll go to sleep and you can take all the time you need to re-read and think. If you settle on Blarg, you can end the game if you feel like doing so, or just wait if you so desire. If you want to vote me, well, you'll need to wait for someone else to be around.
Although I'm normally against turbos I'm at a point in which I'm exhausted enough that I think it's better for the game to end. The debate is a bit tired and wee seemed ok with ending too. I'll just applaud them if they're the last baddie, I really wouldn't mind losing to them.
Now if you're a meanie, though, that'd be a discussion for the Season Review.
but it's already way nicer because people aren't automatically suspicious of me just because it's a bastard game .-.
I honestly hate all this pressure on me right now because my vote may make or break the game .-. For that reason I think I may sleep on it to see if I feel more confident in my vote.
I know I might be prolonging a already long game, but I really want to be sure on this, so I can be proud when I enter spec. chat ;w;
I've vever played a bastard setup though, don't think I'd be able to handle another layer of potential lies.
Please don't feel pressured! Apologies if my post came across like that.
I was being confused between tracker and watcher, and trying to make a point that makes no sense after I thought about it for a while.So wee, did you claim to have self healed last night just to see how Blarg would respond? I remember you last day phase (or at least after your doctor claim) saying you couldn't self-target so I was confused at first when you claimed to have (though at the same time I just assumed you were lying about not being able to self target.)
As soon as I read the PM from blarg begging me to not kill him, I wanted desperately to kill him more.I honestly hate all this pressure on me right now because my vote may make or break the game .-. For that reason I think I may sleep on it to see if I feel more confident in my vote.
Reki is right that most of the conversations we could have have basically been had at this point and I know wee wanted me to end the game when I'm ready, but when you see this wee I'd really like to here what you thought of Blarg's posts in his defense and if they have altered your opinion or not on him.
I know I might be prolonging a already long game, but I really want to be sure on this, so I can be proud when I enter spec. chat ;w;
PLEASE NO WEEMAD DON'T KILL ME I'M BEGGING YOU I'M ON MT FIGURATIVE HANDS AND KNEES AND KNUCKLES AND TOES BEGGING YOU NOT TO KILL ME, BLARGONAUT, WEEMAD PLEASE I'M TELLING YOU YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE PLEASE DON'T KILL ME NO NO NO NO PLEASE PLEASEAs soon as I read the PM from blarg begging me to not kill him, I wanted desperately to kill him more.
I was being confused between tracker and watcher, and trying to make a point that makes no sense after I thought about it for a while.
Also to see how blarg would respond, yes.
So that's your reasoning then? Okay then XDAs soon as I read the PM from blarg begging me to not kill him, I wanted desperately to kill him more.
And his defensiveness looks scummy. Even in Lylo.
Also the fact that I submitted a self heal and then there was no death really messed up my brain for a bit there. It was just SO coincidental that I was afraid the game runners accidentally let me do a thing i can't do because their brains went poof. And then I thought, who would do that. And it wasn't reki unless I really don't know them at all, which, fair, I have barely played with them.
Lol I already turned down the mods on extending the day I am not prolonging the day if we can.Or, you could tie the vote, and we could do all this again tomorrow!
When stan was pretty set on it I gave up arguing but I just felt town would lose.However, weemadarthur is there any chance at all you'd consider a Reki vote today?
Okay that is fair reasoning. To be honest a lot of posts Blarg has been posting have been rubbing me the wrong way in various ways and while there are a few points that have made me doubt whether i should vote him, for the most point I'm still convinced he is scum possibly.When stan was pretty set on it I gave up arguing but I just felt town would lose.
I've never made it to endgame before. It's hard lol.
But reki has still been solving and blarg has only been doing self preservation and making up ANY scenario that could possibly explain him being town, and the 2 behaviors make reki look more town than blarg. Also maolfunction was using LP and donna as "easy" targets since day 1, and I dunno that one of the two would be a partner in that case.
Hello, and welcome to Pelican Town!
You are Lewis, the Messenger: during each night, you can send us a PM with the command <Player Name>: <Message>. The message will be sent to that player.
You cannot divulge any information about your role in the message (or anyone else's, should you have it), and the recipient will not learn who wrote it. Your message cannot exceed 50 words. Listen, only so much will fit in the mailbox, Mayor Lewis.
You are aligned with Town and win when all threats against Town have been eliminated.
The game thread is here.
If you have any questions, please send a PM to Dr. Monkey or Pedro.
After reading this message, please reply to it to confirm you received it.
Good luck!
Hello, and welcome to Pelican Town!
You are Sam, the Tracker, and you work for Joja Corporation. That's the Mafia, obviously, trying to encroach on this idyllic community. Yay, capitalism!
Your partners are Verelios, Kalor, and Maolfunction. As part of the Mafia, you have access to your factional kill which can be executed each Night by posting the command KILL: <Player Name> on your private thread.
As the so-called "man of the house" while your father was away, you learned to check up on people. It's kind of become a habit by now. You can post the command TRACK: <Player Name> to learn who this player targeted during the same night, if any.
You cannot use this command and perform your factional kill on the same night unless you are the last Mafia member alive.
You win when your faction controls the majority of votes at day start.
The game thread is here. The Mafia thread is here.
If you have any questions, please send a PM to Dr. Monkey or Pedro.
After reading this message, please reply to it to confirm you received it.
Good luck!
Hello, and welcome to Pelican Town!
You are Linus, the Friendly Neighbor: once per game, during the night you can send us a PM with the command HELLO: <Player Name>. That player will be informed that you are aligned with Town. Once they see past your Wild Man exterior, we're sure you two will be fast friends.
You are aligned with Town and win when all threats against Town have been eliminated.
The game thread is here.
If you have any questions, please send a PM to Dr. Monkey or Pedro.
After reading this message, please reply to it to confirm you received it.
Good luck!
Hello, and welcome to Pelican Town!
You are Harvey, the Doctor: during each night, you can send us a PM with the command HEAL: <Player Name>. You will protect that player from kill attempts that night. You can use this ability 3 times during the entire game. Pelican Town may not be the most exciting place, but there's always need for a doctor!
You cannot target yourself, and you cannot target the same person on consecutive nights.
You are aligned with Town and win when all threats against Town have been eliminated.
The game thread is here.
If you have any questions, please send a PM to Dr. Monkey or Pedro.
After reading this message, please reply to it to confirm you received it.
Good luck!