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Axisofweevils

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems all the people affected just got emails to say the ban no longer applies.




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mugwhump

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Oct 27, 2017
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Neat. I'm all for a more permissive steam. Or... a steam that's not less permissive than it was before :V
 

Silver-Streak

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm actually wondering if this was from a group of specific people mass-reporting these games, since there didn't seem to be a common thread/infraction amongst them.

Then when real people at Valve actually started looking at the content they didn't find any issues.
 

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd love to see a statement from Valve on this mess, but we all know it's not going to happen.
 

1upsuper

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Jan 30, 2018
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I'm still confused about this. Is Valve now backpedaling on slowly applying their policies to offending(?) materials, or did these flags represent selective applications of some new policy that is now being rescinded? In other words, what's the logic for both the flags and undoing them?
 

funky

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cool as it seemed very ham fisted and without nuance. Valve tossing the baby out with the bathwater.


Obviously a few bad eggs there though. I kinda hope this is just a temporary stay and Valve maybe just goes "if your game has sex with minors or you offer a official patch available elsewhere to Unlock sex with minors then we dont want you here"

I feel like being the willing middle man for animated child porn is a bomb waiting to explode and cause Valve a lot of trouble.
 
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sanhora

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good. This is how it should be. I still dream of a future where Rance games can be sold on Steam.
 

Lemstar

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad it happened, but I also hope people continue to hold Valve accountable for letting something like this come about in the first place.
 

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
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Can we stop calling it a visual novel ban >.>? It was regarding sexual content, and some of the games weren't even VNs.
 

galv

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Oct 25, 2017
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This fiasco would have been avoided had people simply acted professionally (#waifuholocaust), instead of taking to mobilize Twitter armies of outrage, before anyone really knew what was happening.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, being looked at by humans has made everything better again.

I swear, if the Terminator were made now, it'd be Valve not CyberDyne Systems that pushed the envelope.

This fiasco would have been avoided had people simply acted professionally (#waifuholocaust), instead of taking to mobilize Twitter armies of outrage, before anyone really knew what was happening.

Yeah, but hard to say if the mobilisation sped things up or helped somehow, so not going to say they 100% shouldn't have done it.
 

Deleted member 1074

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ye there is def some games that should be reviewed not just nudity but well they might be crossing some lines.
 

galv

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, being looked at by humans has made everything better again.
Yeah, but hard to say if the mobilisation sped things up or helped somehow, so not going to say they 100% shouldn't have done it.
It's not as though the ban was immediate and removed all those games off Steam immediately - they had two weeks. They decided to create outrage on minute 1, day 1.

It could easily have been a million things from automated response from mass reports to some sort of new law that Valve needed to adhere to. But no, first thing people did was go on Twitter to rant. Pathetic.

Valve needs to be more open, but this idiocy of trying to create open flame wars and hostility is even worse.
 

BernardoOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good. Though the "re-review" doesn't fill me with much hope. But at least they're not going full stupid mode with extremely soon takedown notices out of nowhere.
 

Hexa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Great! It's impossible to tell if it was the outrage that helped or if it's something else at the moment as Valve is so bad at communicating, but I'm still of the view that it's best to be as loud as possible about such situations considering it's such a niche community that's unlikely to be heard otherwise and am pretty happy at the level of mobilization achieved in response.
 

ramoisdead

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good on Valve. They should really re-review this because this so called "ban" felt like it was because someone made a complaint and Valve went all "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ welp starting locking them all down".
 

BernardoOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's not as though the ban was immediate and removed all those games off Steam immediately - they had two weeks. They decided to create outrage on minute 1, day 1.

It could easily have been a million things from automated response from mass reports to some sort of new law that Valve needed to adhere to. But no, first thing people did was go on Twitter to rant. Pathetic.

Valve needs to be more open, but this idiocy of trying to create open flame wars and hostility is even worse.
Ranting was the right thing to do. Two weeks notice is ridiculous, Valve provided no actual information on what was happening, weren't answering emails. Taking to twitter was the right call. If this shit had gone through it would have ruin some dev teams altogether.
 

Bastables

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Can we stop calling it a visual novel ban >.>? It was regarding sexual content, and some of the games weren't even VNs.
So why was Witcher not on email list of change your game or it will be pulled? You know if it was sexual content.

What about all those stripper's tits and Hooker sex in gta?
 

Gaz

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Oct 27, 2017
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Valve is such a shit company. Back in the early 2000s had somebody told me what an absolute joke of a company they've become I'd think you were crazy.

This should never have happened in the first place.
 

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Hopefully Valve learns that communicating is important, eventually. A lot of stupid conspiracy theorizing and awful twitter hashtags could have been avoided here.
 

Calabi

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Oct 26, 2017
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What the fuck is going on with Valve. This has happened several times before, where some arbitrary decision is made and then its subsequently walked back on.

I have a feeling if certain people leave, or move away from responsibility then Valve is going to tear itself apart.
 

Palas

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Oct 29, 2017
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Good - legitimately good but low profile games have it hard as it is. We don't need random crackdowns taking them down just because they share an art style and a genre with some problematic game.
 

Leland Palmer

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Oct 25, 2017
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What the fuck is going on with Valve. This has happened several times before, where some arbitrary decision is made and then its subsequently walked back on.

I have a feeling if certain people leave, or move away from responsibility then Valve is going to tear itself apart.
gabe probably read some email and decided to investigate what is going on.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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What the fuck is going on with Valve. This has happened several times before, where some arbitrary decision is made and then its subsequently walked back on.

Near as I can tell (and someone do feel free to correct me) - the Takedown warning emails were automated. This was not (afaik) an arbitrary decision someone made, and then walked back on.