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Static

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dope. Perfectly sensible course of action and absolutely necessary in light of their previously announced plans to implicitly allow more sexually explicit games on steam.
 

Ra

Rap Genius
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Dark Space
Times are changing and regulatory bodies as well as Governments will be paying more attention



https://videostandards.org.uk/ratingboard/featured.html
I clicked the link and read the entire description of the gameplay. What the fuck man.

People getting upset about this would be pretty silly when there's sites like Nutaku that sell tons of hentai games.
And even Nutaku refused to sell Imolicious. Says a lot.
 

Deleted member 35077

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Huh, you know that in highschool you can also opt to not be on a club, right? Also, in college there's many clubs too out there but of course, unlike highschool people are more independent for obvious reasons.
Correct, I guess this is a problem of me only using information from a brief conversation. Still, from what I heard, while more independent, most students don't really have nostalgia for college as they do for highschool even with their being less stress from worrying about entry exams. Do you have another explanation for this?

Even manga with a college background that I have read mostly consider it an afterthought, or an annoyance. Something people go to for the attendance credit.
 

Maxina

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,308
I don't know what's more disgusting. The existence of these games, or that there are people out there that buy porn games.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
Everybody cleaning out their child porn after the Tumble fiasco. Even the pedo weeb stuff.
 

Deleted member 5535

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Correct, I guess this is a problem of me only using information from a brief conversation. Still, from what I heard, while more independent, most students don't really have nostalgia for college as they do for highschool even with their being less stress from worrying about entry exams. Do you have another explanation for this?

Even manga with a college background that I have read mostly consider it an afterthought, or an annoyance. Something people go to for the attendance credit.

You're not incorrect about that part. School time in all of it's periods but more highschool is the period more valorized by many japanese being in school and all because of clubs, less pressure of the life and such. It's a thing that also happens in other countries as well but in japan people makes content about those periods. In my case I can say that I can agree with them considering that I miss my time at highschool for various reasons so I think it's similar for many of them outside of what I mentioned before. The life after school os quite difficult after all compared to it. hahaha
 

Deleted member 47318

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Seems entirely reasonable compared to Sony's new restrictions.

Allows mature content to exist, and doesn't bring people like Amirox to the platform.
 

Yukari

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Mar 28, 2018
11,709
Thailand
All you guys poking fun at 1000 years loli's offends me. You just don't get it. It's totally ok to fantasize about having sex with these characters! Never mind the fact that they look like little girls, sound like little girls and act like little girls.

Hold on I'm hearing sirens in front of my house. Did someone just force my door ophvcczcbjjjjkmccxadhnnllbfvxfd

FBI ! Open UP !
Well,Real Talk does FBI really care about this kind stuff ? Is there a news about FBI Catch people who have/play/watch loli game/anime ?
 
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Rose Red

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yikes at some posts in this thread saying basically that it's okay to fap to pictures of children that are clearly drawn as children as long as said children are seen owning fictional ID cards that state they are 18 years old (even if everyone can see they're not).

Double yikes. Triples yikes. People having this particular opinion need to get your heads checked.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't know what's more disgusting. The existence of these games, or that there are people out there that buy porn games.

Uh, you realize there are eroge games that don't have little girl looking characters right? Calling people who enjoy those games disgusting is ridiculous, unless you were referring to young looking girl games by your last sentence, than I apologize.
 

Maxina

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Uh, you realize there are eroge games that don't have little girl looking characters right? Calling people who enjoy those games disgusting is ridiculous, unless you were referring to young looking girl games by your last sentence, than I apologize.
It's a joke, on why anyone would pay for porn when it's free by various means.
 

Hercule

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Jun 20, 2018
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How about Valve/Sony allow these stuff in first place ?
They would not make a rule/ban if something not happend to them.
Again, why does everyone keep posting Sony ever allowed those games. There is a hughe difference between let's say Onichanbara and the games that got banned from steam and even hentai sites. There have never ever been games like that on Sony platforms.
 

Harlequin

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (1 Month): Rationalizing sexualization of minors.
I don't play any of the games affected but I do feel like there may be an argument to be made for them. For one, from what it says in the OP, these characters appear to be (or appear to look like) high school students, so maybe around 16 or 17. At that age you're able to have consensual, uncoerced sex with someone without it having to be "exploitative". The main reason why the porn featuring under-18s tends to be banned (even in countries where the age of consent is well below 18) is that, once you add commercial motives, the potential for the exploitation and abuse of those hypothetical performers increases dramatically. However, with video games, we're talking about virtual characters so there are no underage people involved in their production who could be exploited or abused. It's a bit like live action porn featuring adult actors doing some teacher/student role-playing. Never heard anyone call for a ban on those specifically.

The only real issue I could see with these games is that, if they do feature sexually exploitative and/or abusive situations (which, again, just standard consensual sex featuring a slightly-younger-than-18-year-old does not automatically qualify for that), they may not contextualise them properly and normalise them instead. But for that, you really would have to look at each game individually and see if that's the case.

At the end of the day, it is Steam's right, of course, to decide what they want to sell but this feels more like them jumping on the pseudo-pedo hysteria bandwagon than making an informed, well-thought-out decision.
 

iRAWRasaurus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait, so was it ban even though it was a censored version put on steam, or did they put the wrong version on steam, and now are ban from even putting the safer version on it.
The steam version is censored, in a sense, all the VN are All Age and you need to contact the publisher to get an 18+ patch. Steam had the page up for the All Age version of Hello, Goodbye but removed it due to reasons. The game hasnt been release yet. Steam didnt inform NekoNyan, English publisher, why Hello, Goodbye was removed.

Other All Age VNs that would require a 18+ patch, still remain on Steam.
 

Auto

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't play any of the games affected but I do feel like there may be an argument to be made for them. For one, from what it says in the OP, these characters appear to be (or appear to look like) high school students, so maybe around 16 or 17. At that age you're able to have consensual, uncoerced sex with someone without it having to be "exploitative". The main reason why the porn featuring under-18s tends to be banned (even in countries where the age of consent is well below 18) is that, once you add commercial motives, the potential for the exploitation and abuse of those hypothetical performers increases dramatically. However, with video games, we're talking about virtual characters so there are no underage people involved in their production who could be exploited or abused. It's a bit like live action porn featuring adult actors doing some teacher/student role-playing. Never heard anyone call for a ban on those specifically.

The only real issue I could see with these games is that, if they do feature sexually exploitative and/or abusive situations (which, again, just standard consensual sex featuring a slightly-younger-than-18-year-old does not automatically qualify for that), they may not contextualise them properly and normalise them instead. But for that, you really would have to look at each game individually and see if that's the case.

At the end of the day, it is Steam's right, of course, to decide what they want to sell but this feels more like them jumping on the pseudo-pedo hysteria bandwagon than making an informed, well-thought-out decision.
I know it's subjective and all, but those girls definitely look underage still in school type.
 

Troublematic

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Nov 1, 2017
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I wonder if they'll just apply some sort of generic "school setting + adult content = not allowed" logic to this. Otherwise it sounds like it's going to be mostly arbitrary as to which titles constitute having these "themes". Based on the article it still seemed like they actually had someone curate the titles based on something more than just that. Certainly anyone can spot a loli character in a vn, but beyond that it gets really arbitrary when you are judging characters that look nothing like a real person to begin with.
 

Kolx

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Oct 25, 2017
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A good first step, but it's still not enough. Any game with pedophilia shit should be banned not just ones where you outright have sex with them.
Sony America is going on a censorship rampage, censoring games that even Nintendo doesn't have a problem with, going as far as to censor games in Japan, for the Japanese market (while Sony Japan says nothing about it, because there's no talking to Sony America once they get into one of these moods).
Since when is Nintendo the benchmark when it comes to this? They should be called out on their shit not be used as a benchmark for what is allowed and what is not.
 

i-Jest

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Oct 25, 2017
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As gaming becomes more mainstream, standards and content that were questionable, but allowed, will slowly fade away into yesteryear. Now something needs to be done about these degenerates plaguing online voice chat.
 

RpgN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Has anyone tried to whatabout to violent games already?

There was one reply I'm not sure about. The member was happy about the news and said violent games should be next. Now my sarcasm meter is broken so it could be for or against underage sex.

Other than that, no mention of violence which is refreshing for to see for a change.
 

Madjoki

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Oct 25, 2017
7,230
Good.

Wait, so was it ban even though it was a censored version put on steam, or did they put the wrong version on steam, and now are ban from even putting the safer version on it.

Usually "safe" versions contain "wink-wink" on how to unlock full version so, could be just Valve playing safe rightfully so.
 

BlackLagoon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd post pictures of Marie Rose, but I'm worried I'd end up on a list somewhere.
But what does that have to do with Sony's content restrictions on the game though? Because from what we've learnt so far, none of it had anything to do with Marie Rose. She's still in the game, and can still be dressed up in the skimpiest of outfits and ogled at as much as the player wants. What they did remand the removal of was an item that increases breast jiggle... Which is not the first thing I think about when people talk about stopping the sexualisation of minors.
 
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Yukari

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Mar 28, 2018
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Thailand
You're not incorrect about that part. School time in all of it's periods but more highschool is the period more valorized by many japanese being in school and all because of clubs, less pressure of the life and such. It's a thing that also happens in other countries as well but in japan people makes content about those periods. In my case I can say that I can agree with them considering that I miss my time at highschool for various reasons so I think it's similar for many of them outside of what I mentioned before. The life after school os quite difficult after all compared to it. hahaha

Sometimes i still go hangout with my highschool friends .
 

Neoriceisgood

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Oct 26, 2017
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Another tragic loss for the people that fight for the freedom to lust after thousand year old dragons.
 

RicJFNas

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Oct 28, 2017
359
Good, this type of game barely has a reason to exist, much less on such a popular worldwide storefront. I won't have to see this creepy stuff when l open my steam store page.
Let these things stay in the dark corners where they belong.
 

Bomblord

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Jan 11, 2018
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Honest question why has there been no attempt to remove this stuff from other U.S. and European facing stores that are not Steam? For example Jast USA who localized Steins Gate has this kind of stuff on their website listed as "uncensored" . Surely are some serious legal issues with hosting and selling this stuff
 

Weltall Zero

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Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
s developers say they've taken great pains to ensure that their game demonstrates, on multiple occasions, that its students are of age. This includes scenes where they peruse 18+ manga and are ID-ed before being allowed into an adult bookstore.

This is Nowi the 700 year old dragon all over again :D . Here's a wild thought: if you feel the need to point out in your game "these characters are of legal age, OK? Here, see how they're doing adult things?" perhaps you know full well what you're doing.

Honest question why has there been no attempt to remove this stuff from other U.S. and European facing stores that are not Steam?

My guess would be that many of these stores are Japan-owned, and we all know how Japan goes about this stuff. I have no clue how Microsoft's XBox store is about this.
 

Bomblord

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This is Nowi the 700 year old dragon all over again :D . Here's a wild thought: if you feel the need to point out in your game "these characters are of legal age, OK? Here, see how they're doing adult things?" perhaps you know full well what you're doing.



My guess would be that many of these stores are Japan-owned, and we all know how Japan goes about this stuff. I have no clue how Microsoft's XBox store is about this.

Well the example of Jast USA is a US based publisher who localized and sells games to American audiences. While some like Steins Gate are perfectly acceptable others seemingly are not (go to their website at your own discretion).
 
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