Mocha Joe

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Jun 2, 2021
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34,298,950 prankster grandmas and uncles sitting idle to inflate Steam CCUs. When will Steam start banning them
 

Santar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Somewhere out there Tim Epic is clenching his fists and screaming in anger "that was supposed to be us! We gave you free games!!"
 

ArcticWolf

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Nov 29, 2022
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Somewhere out there Tim Epic is clenching his fists and screaming in anger "that was supposed to be us! We gave you free games!!"

Considering the late 90s/ early 2000s I do sometimes think he genuinely believes he's owed that and that the EGS is one parts vanity project.

Quake 2, Half-Life, Unreal in '97/98. Then Quake 3, TFC, and UT in '99. Then again with 2004 having Doom 3, Half-Life 2, and UT2k4.
 

CommodoreKong

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Oct 25, 2017
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Considering the late 90s/ early 2000s I do sometimes think he genuinely believes he's owed that and that the EGS is one parts vanity project.

Quake 2, Half-Life, Unreal in '98. Then Quake 3, TFC, and UT in '99. Then again with 2004 having Doom 3, Half-Life 2, and UT2k4.

Oh yeah Tim 100% believes he's owed a major pc storefront because of his history with PC gaming in the 90s and early 2000s despite abandoning PC gaming for console gaming.
 

karnage10

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Oct 27, 2017
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Considering the late 90s/ early 2000s I do sometimes think he genuinely believes he's owed that and that the EGS is one parts vanity project.
If it is true it would explain his obsession with steam. He would feel "robbed"

IMO it is really baffling that a company that left PC space for consoles then comes back accusing those that invested in PC to have too much cut. Why would you leave if such a small cut was enough for PC?
 

AshenOne

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Feb 21, 2018
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If it is true it would explain his obsession with steam. He would feel "robbed"

IMO it is really baffling that a company that left PC space for consoles then comes back accusing those that invested in PC to have too much cut. Why would you leave if such a small cut was enough for PC?
Epic among other big pubs including Microsoft left PC gaming high and dry for the most part.. No company wanted PC customers anymore since the money was on console mostly at that time. I wouldn't fully blame them but totally leaving PC is something i personally find it as a sort of betrayal cause i was pretty young back then and loved their games including Epic.
 

Snagret

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is dark but I genuinely wonder if having hundreds of thousands of suddenly-unemployed tech workers is bumping these numbers.
 

cowbanana

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Feb 2, 2018
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You're forgetting the shovelware valve allow on it. Let's not be kidding ourselves.

They've made strides towards discoverability but still are hands off on this matter.

I honestly couldn't care less about the shovelware as it has zero impact on my enjoyment of the games I play. I practically never use Steam to discover games. I discover them elsewhere and play them on Steam. I can't remember ever directly browsing Steam for a new game to play. But I guess some people do that?
 

AshenOne

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Feb 21, 2018
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I honestly couldn't care less about the shovelware as it has zero impact on my enjoyment of the games I play. I practically never use Steam to discover games. I discover them elsewhere and play them on Steam. I can't remember ever directly browsing Steam for a new game to play. But I guess some people do that?
I mean same for me but we are hardcore of the hardcore, we know what we want exactly but if someone just wants to discover stuff and see whats best for them, there's too much 'crap' to browse through.

As someone who wants this platform to keep growing and better, this is vital to resolve.
 

JoeInky

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're forgetting the shovelware valve allow on it. Let's not be kidding ourselves.

They've made strides towards discoverability but still are hands off on this matter.

Valve shouldn't be the arbiter of what is or isn't shovelware, a lot of hobbyist devs put some of their first games on there that a lot of people would call shovel ware yet they have value to someone, even just to the developers themselves.

Sure there's asset flips and low effort crap on there too, but I never actually see it on the steam store unless I look for it. Even if you were a brand new user without an algorithm to suggest games, I doubt you'd be getting asset flips pushed onto you.
 

Jaded Alyx

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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly couldn't care less about the shovelware as it has zero impact on my enjoyment of the games I play. I practically never use Steam to discover games. I discover them elsewhere and play them on Steam. I can't remember ever directly browsing Steam for a new game to play. But I guess some people do that?
I honestly rarely see shovelware on Steam unless it's posted elsewhere. Steam's algorithm or whatever doesn't really show me these games whereas it's not difficult for games like this to surface on other platforms. I find the complaint odd tbh.
 

Teddie28

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Nov 2, 2017
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I mean same for me but we are hardcore of the hardcore, we know what we want exactly but if someone just wants to discover stuff and see whats best for them, there's too much 'crap' to browse through.

As someone who wants this platform to keep growing and better, this is vital to resolve.

They were selective in the past and people complained about the games they didn't allow on the store. Eventually they just decided it's not worth the hassle.
 

Nothing Loud

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sometimes it's kinda weird being in a city with so many homeless and fentanyl-related impoverished addicts sharing space within a 5 mile radius of the man behind this giant operation, Jeff Bezos (who I believe is moving/has moved), and Bill and (former) Melinda Gates, along with the NOA royalty. I don't even remember the figures behind Newell's wealth but I think he owns like a tremendous yacht at one of the harbors nearby. The wealth disparity here is wild. Can't say he doesn't deserve wealth, though (maybe not on the scale he has but still), given how Steam has basically saved PC gaming from piracy and is by far my favorite gaming platform of all time.
 

JoeInky

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sometimes it's kinda weird being in a city with so many homeless and fentanyl-related impoverished addicts sharing space within a 5 mile radius of the man behind this giant operation, Jeff Bezos (who I believe is moving/has moved), and Bill and (former) Melinda Gates, along with the NOA royalty. I don't even remember the figures behind Newell's wealth but I think he owns like a tremendous yacht at one of the harbors nearby. The wealth disparity here is wild. Can't say he doesn't deserve wealth, though (maybe not on the scale he has but still), given how Steam has basically saved PC gaming from piracy and is by far my favorite gaming platform of all time.

He deserves the success for what steam has done but yeah, doesn't deserve the wealth. No one needs that much money and it should be taxed way more than it likely is currently.
 

dude

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're forgetting the shovelware valve allow on it. Let's not be kidding ourselves.

They've made strides towards discoverability but still are hands off on this matter.
I'll take shovelware I can ignore if it means small devs can easily get their games on Steam. It's why Steam has way more interesting indies than any other store except for itch.io.
Also, I feel like "made stride" sells it a bit short - Steam is the only store I know with ANY kind of discoverability, it's the only store where I regularly discover new games I'm interested in.
 

AshenOne

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Feb 21, 2018
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I'll take shovelware I can ignore if it means small devs can easily get their games on Steam. It's why Steam has way more interesting indies than any other store except for itch.io.
Also, I feel like "made stride" sells it a bit short - Steam is the only store I know with ANY kind of discoverability, it's the only store where I regularly discover new games I'm interested in.
Lets not talk like it cannot get even better. Valve is rich as F. They can spend more effort into identifying which game is a typical low effort asset flip and which one isn't. it is there ecosystem, they need to take more responsibility of it.
 

gdt

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean same for me but we are hardcore of the hardcore, we know what we want exactly but if someone just wants to discover stuff and see whats best for them, there's too much 'crap' to browse through.

As someone who wants this platform to keep growing and better, this is vital to resolve.

Is it?

Don't like 90% of casual people play like 2/3 games a year? The big ones?

Why would they need to, or be interested, in discovering a game no one has ever heard of.
 

dude

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lets not talk like it cannot get even better. Valve is rich as F. They can spend more effort into identifying which game is a typical low effort asset flip and which one isn't. it is there ecosystem, they need to take more responsibility of it.
I guess I don't know what "take more responsibility" is. I don't mean to say Steam is perfect, but it's clear to me that Valve are investing a lot in discoverability, and continue to do so. I think they should actually also direct some of their focus on improving UI cohesion, better community communication and better social features.
I don't think a "low effort asset flip" should be illegal to be sold or requires any action from Valve. The only issue with these games is when they drown out other games (like they often do in the Play Store/App Store) - But that is not the case on Steam today (in contrast to, say, 5 years ago.)
 

SteveWinwood

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lets not talk like it cannot get even better. Valve is rich as F. They can spend more effort into identifying which game is a typical low effort asset flip and which one isn't. it is there ecosystem, they need to take more responsibility of it.
again, your "low effort asset flip" is someone else's game sometimes, and sometimes a very good one, and i dont trust you to differentiate them

i wouldnt have gotten cruelty squad if 99% of people were in charge of saying yes or no to games on steam
 

Shemhazai

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Yeah, and those people probably don't open Steam unless they're playing a game. I don't even have Steam open most of the time.
I'd be surprised if fewer than 90% of users didn't just have Steam open on start up. I rarely use it (compared to the amount of time I'm on my laptopn / PC in general) but I always have it open since there's no real reason not to, and it's easier than only opening it when I actually want to play something.
 

Sir Lucan

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Dec 19, 2023
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You're forgetting the shovelware valve allow on it. Let's not be kidding ourselves.

They've made strides towards discoverability but still are hands off on this matter.
Can you give examples of stores with better discoverability? I always see this brought up and don't really understand why. Steam is literally the only store that has ever recommended me stuff I didn't know about and I've liked.