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SteamVR Hardware|OT| Lighthouse Tracking 2.0 and Beyond
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Think I might as well buy the old vive if it is that much. Might as well put that amount aside and just upgrade my PC with the next card from Nvidia.
God damn it, wish the Pimax at least had a release date.
We can't say for certain, but I'd guess they're slowly ramping up production while trying to maximize profits per unit sold, starting with the most important piece first. Seems pretty straighforward and clear to me. So, basically...
But we're talking 1 month, hell, less so even considering the bundle is available in Asia. It does not look like maximizing profits, more like they don't have a real plan going a head, and are just playing catch up.
Basically this is what happened:
Vive Pro announced, HMD only at first, Full bundle "later" (rumored in the fall right?).
Release date 5:th of April gets announced.
Day before release they add the accessories bundle as an extra package
Vive Pro HMD only released 5:th of April
2 weeks later Vive Pro Full bundle is seen in the wild.
1 week after, Vive Pro Full Bundle is available to pre-order from Amazon. @ $1399 for tracking that is said to have a lower BOM.
Today: Vive Pro HMD only, with accessories bundle is still available on Vive's own store, for $1369
they're really pricing themselves out of the user market, and also losing a ton of mindshare and good will.
But are there any obviously better headset out there? Products sold as top of the line frequently care little about good will or mindshare. As Don Mattrick would say, "We have a product for those who can't afford the Vive Pro, it's called the Vive"
Mattrick's comments weren't about price, but about always online. And top of the line, if you want to really compare, it's basically just a higher res screen, the same screen available in the $499 Samsung Odyssey.
I know, but they're both disingenuous comments that downplay custormer concerns by redirecting them to a cheaper, older product.
That would be very bad for left-handed people, so I highly doubt they'd do that.
(Unlike the current wands, the left/right knuckle aren't interchangeable)
Anyway, I've said more than enough on the topic of thumbsticks and how boring they are before :P
I thikn it's fair to say that there isn't a better HMD out there right now than the Vive Pro. (That you can easily acquire, not some custom 10k USD thing)
That doesn't make the price point better, but from a "professional" perspective (ie. if you do product demonstrations, or have a VR arcade, or are a developer) the hardware price is still in the negligible range.
We've all kind of beat this topic into the ground. I'm still trying to win that middle ground. LOL. Do left-handers actually move with the right stick, though? I thought they all moved with the left stick? Heck, I remember when the N64 games had you move with the right camera buttons, and aiming was done with the left. Then I thought the general standard (post N64) was movement left, aim right. Back then I could swap routes pretty easily.
I'm gonna forever bury my flag that an analog stick has a singular purpose (locomotion for those who want it). So a 1 + 1 is the most functional design. Of course, I think I'm the only one defending this island.
EDIT: I'm legit curious to see the redesign. I know Chet F was adamantly against moving locomotion. I wonder if him leaving had any effect on Valve's philosophy as a whole. Obviously a strong personality can often sway opinions. So I wonder if he had any effect on that hardware side (or if they all feel strongly about that at Valve and nothing really changed).
I don't know how it is with traditional controller games, but with VR I think it's really important to have primary hand mapping. And that would be hard/impossible with asymmetric controller layouts.
I'm also tired of the topic, so if they went with both on both controllers I wouldn't be too annoyed. I just don't think it's possible to put both in a comfortable position, especially with something as "sculpted" as the knuckle controllers.
Ah. Never considered that. Makes sense. I honestly don't care that much either. I think I'd probably prefer sticks if I had to choose, but it won't bother me if trackpads are used again (especially since they seem to have made the ergonomics a lot better and more natural for locomotion.)
I want them to be, but I really don't think Pimax is going to move any needles for HTC. They need someone like that LG headset to really make them compete (in the SteamVR space at least).
Yeah. And a lot of the hate (not all, but quite a bit) for HTC is their dismal customer service. I'd bet money that HTC customer service >>>>> Pimax. For their to be actual competition in the SteamVR space, it has to be from a large consumer electronics company entering. Nothing else is going to really move the needle.
I am still praying LG releases something good. Vive Pro was a giant kick in the nuts.
Gaben teasing the very latest prototype on the new Valve website redesign.
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/valvesoftware/images/videos/hardware-hmd_fullsize.webm
Is it just me or is that top headstrap not actually connected to the HMD in any way.
OP
OP
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/8fc4jb/what_happened_to_the_lg_steam_vr_headset/
LG Steam VR has been put on hold since last Spring according to Palmer Luckey
LG Steam VR has been put on hold since last Spring according to Palmer Luckey
Wonder if it was around the time of the price cuts. It was my theory, back then, it was either gonna get canned or need to be seriously upgraded to sell for a high price and be justified. So I can't say I'm surprised by this. I'd actually bet money it happened once Oculus slashed their price.
SID is this month, though, and we'll get to see the new LG/Google OLED screen collaboration. INT is also showing a super high density AMOLED at SID. So we're likely to see what next gen screens will actually look like.
I don't think we can completely rule LG out for next gen, but if they're out, Valve may have to seriously consider entering the hardware space themselves.
I know a lot of people expected/wanted this eventually, so here it is: Steam Controller style customization for VR controllers.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/250820/announcements/detail/3809361199426010680
https://steamcommunity.com/games/250820/announcements/detail/3809361199426010680
I assume this will also be their UI for implementing the OpenXR input features. Nice.
They have been pushing updates for knuckles on and off for months. It's clear they are working on it, but it's not a direct indicator of an imminent release.
That said, I hope they aren't far off! I do think Valve wants to launch them with a game.
With the Pimax getting closer to it's release, I was reminded of FoV increases, and how there was research done early on with just having LED's with sort of a sheet of paper infront, on the sides of the current HMD's to fake a wider FoV. Wonder what happened with those. Anyone heard anything about them?
https://newatlas.com/microsoft-vr-led-surrounds/43158/
https://newatlas.com/microsoft-vr-led-surrounds/43158/
I was playing a Star Wars table in Pinball FX last night and kept thinking to myself, "Why does this table look so awful compared to the rest"? It's because it was basically red and black. Really hope LG is at least close to selling OLED panels to other OEMs, because I'm so ready for OLED that is RGB.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jsid.658
Google and LG have published a paper outlining the OLED display they're going to be showing this week at SID.
I'm not sure how much can really be gleaned from it, but it definitely paints an optimistic future for displays. Feels like the recap on Reddit is possibly oversimplifying things, but hopefully we'll get more concrete answers after their presentation.
Google and LG have published a paper outlining the OLED display they're going to be showing this week at SID.
I'm not sure how much can really be gleaned from it, but it definitely paints an optimistic future for displays. Feels like the recap on Reddit is possibly oversimplifying things, but hopefully we'll get more concrete answers after their presentation.
Thank you for the link.
A 120Hz globally-shuttered panel with only 1.65ms image persistence?
If only television manufacturers would drive their OLED displays like this.
It's not quite on the level of a CRT in terms of persistence, but getting very close.
They are apparently reaching 150 nits brightness when driving the panel like this too.
There's a lot of other really interesting information in that paper, such as the images taken before/after mura correction.
Hopefully we'll get more information after the presentation is given later.
It's interesting to note they're talking about how it's a different panel type than the OLED used in phones. And they specifically mention ghosting in this regards. But they never come right out and specifically mention if this is in regards to the black issue. I know Carmack used to give talks saying this was a design decision from it being a phone panel (and that it could be addressed if Samsung actually prioritized it in design), but I think it's definitely speculative to wonder whether it's addressing that or not. It'd be cool if it did solve the black/off issue, though.
It's interesting to note they're talking about how it's a different panel type than the OLED used in phones. And they specifically mention ghosting in this regards. But they never come right out and specifically mention if this is in regards to the black issue. I know Carmack used to give talks saying this was a design decision from it being a phone panel (and that it could be addressed if Samsung actually prioritized it in design), but I think it's definitely speculative to wonder whether it's addressing that or not. It'd be cool if it did solve the black/off issue, though.
Considering how much Google is apparently intimately involved with these lenses, how confident are we that other players in the space are going to be able to use them rather than these just going in the next Daydream headsets?
I wonder if this is a legit 2.0 controller or just a mistake?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1408289-REG/htc_99hafr001_00_vive_controller.html?sts=pi
I needed a replacement controller in time for Budget Cuts anyway, so I'll find out Friday.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1408289-REG/htc_99hafr001_00_vive_controller.html?sts=pi
I needed a replacement controller in time for Budget Cuts anyway, so I'll find out Friday.
Unless the webpage manager is a real troll, I'd be optimistic you were getting 2.0. But you know how that goes. Stock images can't be trusted.
Seems hard to image they would willingly leave the rest of the market to Samsung. Besides, in the current mobile form being discussed, they're only clocking to 75hz. Why do 120hz unless there are other uses/customers for it.
A picture taken of the display at LG's booth. Pretty insane if you zoom all the way in.
https://cdn.uploadvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Google-Displays-PNG.png
At least on my machine, that picture isn't showing the comparision (on the right) as well as a direct link. Fully zoomed is crazy.
wow, on my screen the left one looks like you're just looking at a piece of paper through some glass.
A picture taken of the display at LG's booth. Pretty insane if you zoom all the way in.
https://cdn.uploadvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Google-Displays-PNG.png
At least on my machine, that picture isn't showing the comparision (on the right) as well as a direct link. Fully zoomed is crazy.
Has there been any news regarding the Wireless adapter? In particular, if the cable on it can be, how do I say, "Really long"?
I doubt we'll really get that info until it's out in the wild. You're probably right (think it was you), though, in that it looks like it's a standard co-axial cable and distance runs shouldn't be that problematical.
Yes, that was my speculation. I really hope that's the case, would REALLY help me out haha.