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Maxime

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Oct 27, 2017
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Quantic Dream vs Le Monde and Médiapart : behind the theatrics, facts

Last June, the STJV testified in court in favor of journalists from Médiapart and Le Monde, against accusations of libel from Quantic Dream. Our presence met with several of our interests. First, to help journalists whose job to keep the public informed about, and make visible, the problems of our industries and our society in general, was threatened by what we consider to be a SLAPP suit. Second, to defend workers' freedom to speak about their working conditions, which is vital.

Today, September 9th 2021, we learned, with great pleasure, that Médiapart won against Quantic Dream, the court having dismissed their libel accusations. The French justice system recognised the seriousness and the good faith of the journalists' work. However Quantic Dream, in its violent initiative to clean-up its public image, has sadly managed to get the court to recognise a case of libel by Le Monde against them. We do not yet know how the court motivated that decision, but it diminishes the freedom of speech and voices of victims of sexism, sexual harassment and, in general, awful working conditions, to the benefit of bosses who use all their resources to silence all accusation.

We want to share our analyses on what came up during the trial, and on its outcome. These feedbacks come from our representative in court, and from the minutes of the hearings.

Hyperpersonalisation of problems

We notice that most of Quantic Dream's arguments actually fall back to personal matters ("I never saw any shocking photomontage before the affair", "I don't understand these articles, everything is fine to me", "I'm struggling to forgive", "I barely know Canard PC, this is why we don't sue them", "I only have to answer to justice, the tax authorities [and other insitutions]", …), in particular when the studio's bosses fiercely persist in thinking the only reason a journalist would want to write an article accusing them of maintaining a toxic work culture would be a personal enmity.

Although personal sympathies can contribute to problems inside companies, it goes without saying that not everything has to do with it. Someone fighting to enforce their rights doesn't necessarily hold a personal grudge against their boss. Before anything else, it is about enforcing unfulfilled commitments. Likewise, the STJV, as a union, doesn't hold personal grudges : when we defend someone against their employer, we do it because the respect of everyone's rights is a collective matter.

The appalling ignorance of bosses about everything which falls out of their realm

One of the outstanding moments of the trial was when Quantic Dream's lawyer asked our representative : « Did you do any work for Médiapart [by explaining journalists the situation of the industry, and giving them contacts] ? ». We don't have to shy away from it : the answer is yes. We constantly provide work, made possible by pooling the resources of volunteer workers, for video game workers. We do not need journalists to be complacent, we only need to tell them about the realities in our field, which we know quite well.

Conspiracy theories are not always where we think they are

From this hyperpersonalisation and ignorance to third-rate conspiracy theories, there is only a short step, crossed with ease here. Quantic Dream's obsession with talking about the alleged damages caused by these articles reveals an out-of-touch vision of the world, where everything is owed to David de Gruttola and Guillaume Juppin de Fondaumière. And the term conspiracy is not misused here: it is indeed the same mechanism of rejection of reality that leads these wealthy and extremely privileged people to look for fictional tormentors, or to try to erase all criticism, even legitimate and sourced

Lessons from the judgment

The court recognised the good faith and seriousness of the work done by the Médiapart's journalists. Let's remind right away that in this case, justice does not pronounce on the veracity of the content of the articles, in one way or the other. Quantic Dream's management would therefore do well to avoid claiming to be cleared of all suspicions, even though its claims have been dismissed. This ruling confirms that the work of the journalists in this case was legitimate, and carried out under all the conditions of professionalism and prudence required. It should also be noted that this judgment recognises the absence of personal animosity, which was central to the accusation brought by Quantic Dream. It is now high time for Quantic Dream's management to put an end to its communication and intimidation campaign.

We are shocked by Le Monde's conviction, about which we will need more information to understand the judgment, as the accusations of personal grudges ringed very hollow to us. We will communicate further abouth this judgment at a later date.

In this case, as in the vast majority of those in which we assist workers in court, testimonies and public statements are not actions taken lightly. In this case, as in so many others, it is simply the last resort for people who have been ignored or silenced. Now more than ever, the STJV is determined to reduce the imbalance of resources inherent in conflicts between employees and employers, by supporting those who have to defend themselves against companies that use all their wealth to hide their wrongdoings rather than to solve existing problems, by talking to journalists who are conducting these comprehensive and detailed investigations, and by defending the rights of each and every one of us by testifying in court.
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Quantic Dream vs Le Monde and Médiapart : behind the theatrics, facts – STJV

Details added after the publication of our article: the judgement dismissed all Quantic Dream's claims, against Médiapart AND against Le Monde, acknowledging th


No details yet regarding why Le Monde specifically is convicted. I am really curious to read why the difference in treatment between the two outlets.

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[Clarifications] Verdict of the defamation lawsuit launched by Quantic Dream
- Mediapart and Le Monde not guilty of defamation against the studio
- but Le Monde is condemned for defamation against David Cage and Guillaume de Fondaumière.

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From the author of Le Monde's article



More than three years after the publication of this article, the court dismissed Quantic Dream's defamation claim against Le Monde.
On the other hand, the court ruled in favor of David Cage and Guillaume de Fondaumière for two passages.
www.lemonde.fr

Quantic Dream, un fleuron du jeu vidéo français aux méthodes de management contestées

Photomontages injurieux, semaines de 60 heures, management pressant... plusieurs anciens salariés dénoncent les dérives du studio du français David Cage, le « Godard du pixel ».

The first was directed at David Cage, and referred to a racially motivated joke, corroborated by several witnesses. The court found that the statement made by the person who was the subject of the joke was not sufficient.

The second concerns allegations of misconduct by Guillaume de Fondaumière with certain female employees. This one is based on several written testimonies, which were not produced in order to protect the anonymity of those concerned, as requested by them.
 
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Adulfzen

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Oct 29, 2017
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Good, fuck David Cage and anyone at Quantic Dream who supported that toxic work environment
 

Pooroomoo

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Oct 28, 2017
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All people saying "good", "yes!", "victory" or whatever are missing the part about Le Monde being convicted of libel.
 
Le Monde journalist's take on the libel judgment
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Maxime

Maxime

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Oct 27, 2017
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From the author of Le Monde's article



More than three years after the publication of this article, the court dismissed Quantic Dream's defamation claim against Le Monde.
On the other hand, the court ruled in favor of David Cage and Guillaume de Fondaumière for two passages.
www.lemonde.fr

Quantic Dream, un fleuron du jeu vidéo français aux méthodes de management contestées

Photomontages injurieux, semaines de 60 heures, management pressant... plusieurs anciens salariés dénoncent les dérives du studio du français David Cage, le « Godard du pixel ».

The first was directed at David Cage, and referred to a racially motivated joke, corroborated by several witnesses. The court found that the statement made by the person who was the subject of the joke was not sufficient.

The second concerns allegations of misconduct by Guillaume de Fondaumière with certain female employees. This one is based on several written testimonies, which were not produced in order to protect the anonymity of those concerned, as requested by them.
 

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Remember the next time you give them money, you're funding their lawsuits to silence the press, unions and victims.
Fuck them.
 

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One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Good to see David Cage and his disgusting posse get their comeuppance. Shame about the Le Monde situation.
 

Arilian

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Oct 29, 2020
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A French video game website made the mistake, so, to be clear Cage and Fondaumiere both lost against Mediapart:
Sorry, but your title is misleading: the directors of QD were also attacking Mediapart in their personal name. They were dismissed in our case.

 

ivalice

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Sep 3, 2021
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Quantic Reamed.

Partially, at least. I hope Cage and pals face actual consequences.
 

Arilian

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Oct 29, 2020
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Cage and friends were the ones suing so they never were at any real risk of anything here.
There is now the risk to suffer the same fate as Denis Baupin, who, I think at the end, regretted suing for libel the women who accused him of sexual harassment and the medias who write (Mediapart) or spoke (France Inter) about it, because the trial is now know as the Baupin affair and didn't turn is his favor.
 
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Maxime

Maxime

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Important thread from French workers union STJV regarding the lawsuits (and stealth-up because this is an important subject):



In the last few days, numerous news articles have mentioned the defamation lawsuit filed by Quantic Dream and its executives against French newspapers Le Monde and Médiapart, but many of those commit important errors. We want to set the record straight.

First of all, Quantic Dream the company lost both of its suits. Any title or headline saying that « Quantic Dream won against Le Monde » is therefore false. Its executives (G. de Fondaumière and D. de Gruttola aka Cage) won as individuals, and only against Le Monde. However…

One has to understand that this victory rests only on the fact that Le Monde refused to break the confidentiality of its sources, preferring to protect the victims rather than themselves. This commitment to their journalistic integrity is all to their credit.

Be it due to a lack of time to check information, the pressure of being first to break news or a lack of knowledge, many publications, French and foreign, have misinterpreted those results. It means they are spreading, voluntarily or not, false information.

This should be a reminder to be prudent and avoid hastiness on those matters. Sources (workers, unions, the people involved, etc.) exist and must be cross-referenced to avoid unwillingly taking part in a rehabilitation campaign for a company which does not deserve it.
 

Arilian

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Oct 29, 2020
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According to Dan Israel from Mediapart, Quantic Dream, David Cage et Guillaume de Fondaumière didn't file an appeal, so, they definitely lost against Mediapart and its journalists.

They were sued for seven parts of their article and the court ruled that:
-- for three of them, they didn't even included anything potentially unlawful.
-- for the rest of them, "the journalists had a sufficient factual basis for each of the imputations."

More details in this blog post, in French

blogs.mediapart.fr

Mediapart gagne en justice contre Quantic Dream

Dans un jugement du 9 septembre, la 17e chambre correctionnelle du tribunal judiciaire de Paris a relaxé notre site des poursuites pour diffamation intentées par la société française de jeux vidéo, à…
 
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Maxime

Maxime

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According to Dan Israel from Mediapart, Quantic Dream, David Cage et Guillaume de Fondaumière didn't file an appeal, so, they definitely lost against Mediapart and its journalists.

They were sued for seven parts of their article and the court ruled that:
-- for three of them, they didn't even included anything potentially unlawful.
-- for the rest of them, "the journalists had a sufficient factual basis for each of the imputations."

More details in this blog post, in French

blogs.mediapart.fr

Mediapart gagne en justice contre Quantic Dream

Dans un jugement du 9 septembre, la 17e chambre correctionnelle du tribunal judiciaire de Paris a relaxé notre site des poursuites pour diffamation intentées par la société française de jeux vidéo, à…

Considering the court judged the social fraud parts of the articles true (we're talking illegal dismissal and rights of worker totally dismissed!), I wonder if QD is going to be sued for that?