Stranger Things has more "sex" than Star Wars at this point...

BossAttack

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I've been debating making this topic, but it's early morning at work and I'm bored. So, let's go! I recently did a rewatch of Stranger Things and it suddenly hit me how Stranger Things, a show mostly about a bunch of kids, has more sex/romance than Star Wars. Both stories are "coming of age" stories and romance is pretty much inherent in these sort of tales. Yet, the recent sequel trilogy seems anemic to any sort of romantic displays of affection. Now, it's not like the OT was chalk full of sex (well, it was it just became weird when Leia became Luke's sister) but it was there. The prequel trilogy has it most, even if it wasn't great. And, Empire's entire secondary plot was about romance and love. On the other hand, Stranger Things has everyone trying to hook up, even the kids with love being the driving motivator for most characters.

Meanwhile, we're going into the third SW film of the trilogy and we have no romance. The one kiss we got in TLJ came out of nowhere, with zero build up, and was completely unwanted by the receiving character. And, the words "love" is spoken twice, once talking about Ben's parents and second in the aforementioned Rose scene. The only person we see who seems to have romantic interests, prior to Rose's sudden display, is Finn and he's told he's a selfish asshole for doing so. Rey seems oblivious to romantic affection, Poe is more in love with his droid, Han & Leia broke up, Deejay loves money, Luke apparently never had a fling (patiently awaits EU reveal of some shenanigans), Swolo makes love to his grandpa's helmet. Like, what gives?

And, please don't give me that, "does it need romance? Why does Rey have to be with anybody?" I'm not just talking about Rey, I'm talking in general. Although, why can't Rey get somebody? It's weird.

Where is the love?
 

mnz

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It's for kids and always was. More so than Stranger Things, one could argue
 

jelly

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Attack of Clones had rolling around and stuff. Is that when Padme got pregnant?
 

vypek

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Off-topic: BossAttack I don't know if you'll really care but I believe it is "chock-full"

It's for kids and always was. More so than Stranger Things, one could argue
This feels kind of accurate. And I think some shows or movies will avoid romance if they think they can't do it well or it's not interesting. I kind of like when they don't do it.
 

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I've been debating making this topic, but it's early morning at work and I'm bored. So, let's go! I recently did a rewatch of Stranger Things and it suddenly hit me how Stranger Things, a show mostly about a bunch of kids, has more sex/romance than Star Wars. Both stories are "coming of age" stories and romance is pretty much inherent in these sort of tales. Yet, the recent sequel trilogy seems anemic to any sort of romantic displays of affection. Now, it's not like the OT was chalk full of sex (well, it was it just became weird when Leia became Luke's sister) but it was there. The prequel trilogy has it most, even if it wasn't great. And, Empire's entire secondary plot was about romance and love. On the other hand, Stranger Things has everyone trying to hook up, even the kids with love being the driving motivator for most characters.

Meanwhile, we're going into the third SW film of the trilogy and we have no romance. The one kiss we got in TLJ came out of nowhere, with zero build up, and was completely unwanted by the receiving character. And, the words "love" is spoken twice, once talking about Ben's parents and second in the aforementioned Rose scene. The only person we see who seems to have romantic interests, prior to Rose's sudden display, is Finn and he's told he's a selfish asshole for doing so. Rey seems oblivious to romantic affection, Poe is more in love with his droid, Han & Leia broke up, Deejay loves money, Luke apparently never had a fling (patiently awaits EU reveal of some shenanigans), Swolo makes love to his grandpa's helmet. Like, what gives?

And, please don't give me that, "does it need romance? Why does Rey have to be with anybody?" I'm not just talking about Rey, I'm talking in general. Although, why can't Rey get somebody? It's weird.

Where is the love?
Why does Rey have to be with anybody?

No, really. Why does Star Wars need a sexy subplot?
 

Servbot24

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Why on earth would Rey be concerned about a boyfriend given the events of the movies

If this isn't "I need time to figure myself out" time then I don't know when is
 

Inferno

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Finn’s reaction to Rose’s kiss is more of an example of surprise than disgust, first off. People trying to bring up the issue of “consent” in this instance feel like they’re trolling, at best, and socially mis-adjusted, at worst.

Secondly, there’s a romantic and sexual undercurrent through TLJ, between Rey and Kylo. The hand-touching scene is, by Rian’s own admission, the Star Wars equivalent of a sex scene. The fact that Rey realizes by the end of the film that Kylo’s a hopeless and toxic person, doesn’t nullify this element.
 

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Let's be honest here, Star Wars is really really bad at the romance stuff with the original dipping into incest territory. Plus Star Wars story is super basic and simple than compare to Stranger Thing.
 
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Let's be honest here, Star Wars is really really bad at the romance stuff with the original dipping into incest territory. Plus Star Wars story is super basic and simple than compare to Stranger Thing.
Han + Leia.

Also, created one of the best musical themes.

I'd agree with you for iron man and avengers series, but the others have some romantic subplots.
(and even then IM and pepper kinda go at it but I feel it's less important)
Huh, IM3 is one of the few that has romance as a driving factor.
 

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I'd agree with you for iron man and avengers series, but the others have some romantic subplots.
(and even then IM and pepper kinda go at it but I feel it's less important)
There’s always a shoe-horned romance in those films, but very rarely is there an element of sexuality. Lois Lane asking Superman what colors her panties are is a wonderful, charming, humanizing moment. The Marvel films could learn from it.
 

Nappuccino

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Finn's crushing over Rey and his desire to get to her in tlj seemed like something of a romance plot. We'll see what happens in 9
 

Keym

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Hahaha, this is silly. Every Star Wars trilogy has been a coming-of-age narrative, with TLJ being particularly interested in the pains of adolescence.
Okay yeah, I guess it's more blatant in the prequels and the newer ones, I was mainly thinking of the original trilogy.
 

mnz

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Okay yeah, I guess it's more blatant in the prequels and the newer ones, I was mainly thinking of the original trilogy.
That's Luke's whole story. Growing up, learning/studying, relationships, seeing the world, finding a purpose and well, getting to know his father...
 

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Tony Stark brough that one reporter home in the first movie, but that feels like a million years ago now
There’s always a shoe-horned romance in those films, but very rarely is there an element of sexuality. Lois Lane asking Superman what colors her panties are is a wonderful, charming, humanizing moment. The Marvel films could learn from it.
Cap + Carter, Thor + Jane (okay yeah that's forced but still a driving force I feel ?), Starlord and Gamora flirting back and forth in both movies, and then Cap and his neighbor flirting in Winter soldier/civil war are pretty relevant I think.
Sure they're not central plots but they're here and are not just "oh yeah btw they fuck" (well maybe except Jane)
 
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Okay yeah, I guess it's more blatant in the prequels and the newer ones, I was mainly thinking of the original trilogy.
"This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away…to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmph. What he was doing? Adventure. Heh! Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless!"

Weird, it's almost like Luke is being taught how to grow up.
 

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I'm perfectly OK with these movies having no romance because in about 90% of blockbusters it just feels like a box-ticking exercise to please cynical studio executives, who for some reason think the knuckle-draggers won't come see the movie unless it's got pretty people making out. Not everything needs to be about love and romance.