Stranger Things Spoiler Thread

HStallion · Jul 11, 2019

VideogameVices said:
bad writing and just lazy going for a 80s throwback in lieu of actual tension in the finale.

I don't think a show that is drenched in everything 80's doing another overt send up is at all out of place. As to the writing? I'm not sure what is bad about that scene. Pacing issues and tone I could see but the writing is fairly to the point and something the entire season had been leading up to.

Triggerhappytel · Jul 11, 2019

Just finished watching this with my wife. I enjoyed it a lot, but I was thinking how does shutting down the portal gun so the door reseals kill the Mind Flayer? It was able to survive on our side due to the piece of Mind Flayer mind/soul/spirit (whatever you'd call it) which they got out of Will last season, and that part didn't die when El sealed the door at the end of S2, so why does it all of a sudden die this time?

I also found it a bit annoying that they didn't stop to call the military or secret service about the big Russian secret base at any point, and the fact the military turned up so soon after they were done kind of rendered everything they'd just accomplished pointless. Like, they could have just gone and hid somewhere for a few hours and Paul Reisar and backup would have taken care of everything about 15 minutes after they did anyway.

kyle mechlachlan · Jul 11, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
Just finished watching this with my wife. I enjoyed it a lot, but I was thinking how does shutting down the portal gun so the door reseals kill the Mind Flayer? It was able to survive on our side due to the piece of Mind Flayer mind/soul/spirit (whatever you'd call it) which they got out of Will last season, and that part didn't die when El sealed the door at the end of S2, so why does it all of a sudden die this time?

They didn't kill it. The Mind Flayer was never in the real world, just a flesh avatar that the Flayer was able to control. When the gate was closed the connection was severed. The piece that was left behind last season was not a threat until the gate was reopened.

Cobalt Thorium G · Jul 11, 2019

Neverending Story song was the best scene. I'll fight anyone that disagrees.

Triggerhappytel · Jul 11, 2019

Fistfulofmetal said:
They didn't kill it. The Mind Flayer was never in the real world, just a flesh avatar that the Flayer was able to control. When the gate was closed the connection was severed. The piece that was left behind last season was not a threat until the gate was reopened.

Good explanation, thanks. That actually makes sense.

adj_noun · Jul 11, 2019

Cobalt Thorium G said:
Neverending Story song was the best scene. I'll fight anyone that disagrees.

It's my favorite scene in the whole series.

Cobalt Thorium G · Jul 11, 2019

adj_noun said:
It's my favorite scene in the whole series.

Hell yes.

Even if it makes me think of this now...

and not the traumatising horse scene from my childhood.

TrueSloth · Jul 11, 2019

Just finished the season and was thinking about the theories regarding hopper's fate. The realization that he really is dead in the next season will be interesting. Kind of like the hope that Barb isn't actually dead.

If he ended up just climbing down a ladder and being caught by some Russians, then that would be a little tame for backstory, but whatever. I would think that the explosion of the key didnt actually obliterate them, but instead teleported them to the upside down.

Thats my bet for season 4.

Rad Bandolar · Jul 12, 2019

Someone made a great Hopper, p.i. intro. Given the Magnum homages in the series, it was only a matter of time:

https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k

denx · Jul 12, 2019

I can't see how they're gonna top the Neverending Story musical number in S4.

starpower · Jul 12, 2019

what was the live camera feed from inside the old government lab building doing? does anyone else remember that?

PogChamp said:
IN the first season Eleven is spying on the russians and that's when she encounters the demogorgon. I think that demogorgon then was unleashed in russia

good theory

DrForester · Jul 12, 2019

Cobalt Thorium G said:
Neverending Story song was the best scene. I'll fight anyone that disagrees.

Neverending Story got Hooper killed.

Or at the least, thrown into a Russian prison.

daninthemix · Jul 12, 2019

I literally don't understand anything the Russians were doing, or why. Including that final scene.

Sectorseven · Jul 12, 2019

What happened to all the people the monster zombified?

adj_noun · Jul 12, 2019

Sectorseven said:
What happened to all the people the monster zombified?

Most of 'em got absorbed into it.

TrueSloth · Jul 12, 2019

Sectorseven said:
What happened to all the people the monster zombified?

They are now liquid mush

StopMakingSense · Jul 12, 2019

Sectorseven said:
What happened to all the people the monster zombified?

They all died in that one scene where they liquified to become the monster.

StopMakingSense · Jul 12, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
I also found it a bit annoying that they didn't stop to call the military or secret service about the big Russian secret base at any point, and the fact the military turned up so soon after they were done kind of rendered everything they'd just accomplished pointless. Like, they could have just gone and hid somewhere for a few hours and Paul Reisar and backup would have taken care of everything about 15 minutes after they did anyway.

Did you miss the scene where Hopper and Joyce very explicitly called the feds?

Cobalt Thorium G · Jul 12, 2019

DrForester said:
Neverending Story got Hooper killed.

Or at the least, thrown into a Russian prison.

Small price to pay

Triggerhappytel · Jul 12, 2019

daninthemix said:
I literally don't understand anything the Russians were doing, or why. Including that final scene.

They were trying to find their own way into the Upside Down, but it wasn't possible anywhere expect Hawkins, were either the doorway between worlds was or the connection was at its weakest (not sure they ever state how that part works).

StopMakingSense said:
Did you miss the scene where Hopper and Joyce very explicitly called the feds?

Oh damn, I actually must have missed that scene! My littlest woke in like the fifth or sixth episode so I went to get him back to sleep while my wife kept watching. Must have been then.

daninthemix · Jul 12, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
They were trying to find their own way into the Upside Down, but it wasn't possible anywhere expect Hawkins, were either the gate was or the connection was at its weakest.

Presumably for the purpose of using those creatures as weapons or something?

Triggerhappytel · Jul 12, 2019

daninthemix said:
Presumably for the purpose of using those creatures as weapons or something?

I dunno; maybe to explore? Do we ever find out why the US government wants to find their way in there?

Rassilon · Jul 12, 2019

daninthemix said:
I literally don't understand anything the Russians were doing, or why. Including that final scene.

I doubt any military organisation would be able to resist taking a peak at some weird hell dimension once they found out about it. You know just incase they find something useful.

StopMakingSense · Jul 12, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
Oh damn, I actually must have missed that scene! My littlest woke in like the fifth or sixth episode so I went to get him back to sleep while my wife kept watching. Must have been then.

lol yeah you should watch it it is a fun moment with hopper phoning into a secret switchboard operator.

DrScruffleton · Jul 12, 2019

season 1 - Christas/Winter
season 2 - Halloween/Fall
Season 3- 4th of july/summer
Season 4 ?

What does everyone want to see?

forgiventhrice · Jul 12, 2019

StopMakingSense said:
They all died in that one scene where they liquified to become the monster.

Including the pool girl?

StopMakingSense · Jul 12, 2019

forgiventhrice said:
Including the pool girl?

Yes. She was the first to liquify in that scene, no?

Triggerhappytel · Jul 12, 2019

forgiventhrice said:
Including the pool girl?

Yes; everyone who the Mind Flayer took over is dead. From the size of that thing it's probably a few hundred people in total I guess.

Solo · Jul 12, 2019

matrixman92 said:
season 1 - Christas/Winter
season 2 - Halloween/Fall
Season 3- 4th of july/summer
Season 4 ?

What does everyone want to see?

S1 was fall. This is like the third time I've seen people call it winter here. November is fall. The only part that veered into winter was the final scene at Christmas, and even Christsmas Day is only 4 days into winter.

As for S4, itll actually be winter, I think (released sometime between Dec. 21 2020 and March 20 2021, and set in the winter of 1986/1987). My guess anyway.

NateDog · Jul 12, 2019

Just remembered regarding Hopper too (well I noticed it at first but didn't really think about it until now), while the Byers and co. are getting ready to leave and Joyce and Eleven in particular are mourning Hopper over the letter / speech, Peter Gabriel's version of Heroes plays over the scene. When did it play before in the series? When everyone thought Will was dead when "his body" was found in the lake. (Probably been noted somewhere already but leave me be I just finished it!)

Deleted member 7051 · Jul 12, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
They were trying to find their own way into the Upside Down, but it wasn't possible anywhere expect Hawkins, were either the doorway between worlds was or the connection was at its weakest (not sure they ever state how that part works).

They can't open any new gates, basically, and can only slightly "crack" open ones that have been closed. Eleven is still the only person who has been able to open a "crack" into a gate large enough for a person to fit through and she's also the only person who has been shown able to close gates.

Jest · Jul 12, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
Yes; everyone who the Mind Flayer took over is dead. From the size of that thing it's probably a few hundred people in total I guess.

It was 40 people in total according to the newspaper. It was also comprised of what was probably every rat in the town.

Dr. Mario · Jul 12, 2019

I'll say I was a bit disappointed that the motivation for the Ruskis wasn't to open a gateway to hell in the middle of the US as a secret WMD, but all that effort just for research and transporting a demogorgon back to the USSR.

Triggerhappytel · Jul 12, 2019

NateDog said:
Just remembered regarding Hopper too (well I noticed it at first but didn't really think about it until now), while the Byers and co. are getting ready to leave and Joyce and Eleven in particular are mourning Hopper over the letter / speech, Peter Gabriel's version of Heroes plays over the scene. When did it play before in the series? When everyone thought Will was dead when "his body" was found in the lake. (Probably been noted somewhere already but leave me be I just finished it!)

Did it definitely play in one of the other seasons? It's one of my favourite songs but I didn't even know Peter Gabriel had covered it, so it took me a moment to realise it was actually Heroes.

Jest said:
It was 40 people in total according to the newspaper. It was also comprised of what was probably every rat in the town.

Oh wow, is that all? Must have been about 40 people then and about half a million rats!

Tzarscream · Jul 12, 2019

I just finished it now.

On the whole I liked this series (I also had no problem with S2) but what the hell was up with all the corny on the nose "homages."

The Twin Peaks one was okay but a bit odd and didn't see it coming, The Die Hard one was really really weird and tonally off, and the Terminator ones were incredibly fucking stupid. Actually any scene with the Russian Terminator was dull, total filler character that added nothing and made it worse.

I know past seasons have obviously invoked scenes from 80s films and TV but these were far too on the nose.

ArtVandelay · Jul 12, 2019

daninthemix said:
Presumably for the purpose of using those creatures as weapons or something?

It's the Umbrella approach.

Jest · Jul 12, 2019

Triggerhappytel said:
Oh wow, is that all? Must have been about 40 people then and about half a million rats!

A human body has more mass than it would seem due to organs and such (that the creature doesn't have or need) but yeah the size of it sort of fluctuates depending on the need for the scene. It seems significantly larger in the mall than it does when walking through the forest. Maybe even larger than it does at the cabin.

Tzarscream · Jul 12, 2019

Jest said:
A human body has more mass than it would seem due to organs and such (that the creature doesn't have or need) but yeah the size of it sort of fluctuates depending on the need for the scene. It seems significantly larger in the mall than it does when walking through the forest. Maybe even larger than it does at the cabin.

Jest · Jul 12, 2019

Tzarscream said:

Perspective isn't the issue. You can see the scale in comparison to the trees. You can also see a scale difference when it first exits the Factory (bursting up from the metal plating) compared to its size in the mall.

Happy you could link to a video for a snarky reply though.

Tzarscream · Jul 12, 2019

Jest said:
Perspective isn't the issue. You can see the scale in comparison to the trees. You can also see a scale difference when it first exits the Factory (bursting up from the metal plating) compared to its size in the mall.

Happy you could link to a video for a snarky reply though.

Look, it's not every day where you find the perfect example to use that video.

Maligna · Jul 12, 2019

Rad Bandolar said:
Someone made a great Hopper, p.i. intro. Given the Magnum homages in the series, it was only a matter of time:

https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k

Haha. That was expertly done.

Psychotron · Jul 12, 2019

Thinking about the scene with the fireworks, the way that whole scene was filmed, with them being on the second floor shooting fireworks at the beast really felt to me like an homage to the 80's movie "The Gate". In the movie, he uses a model rocket that he'd been wanting to set off as a weapon to attack the monster in his house.

It may just be a coincidence, but since there are so many 80's references, idk.

Stinkinmushroom · Jul 12, 2019

Maneil99 said:
Thought I'd make a thread as constant spoiler tagging in OT is annoying and there is alot to talk about.

Big one is that people seem to think Hopper is the American in the post credits scene. I just don't see how thats him. he likely jumped into the gate, or was sent there via explosion.

My theory is that he evaporated into the gate, and became a mix of demigorgon and Hopper. A Demihopon

Zutrax · Jul 12, 2019

matrixman92 said:
season 1 - Christas/Winter
season 2 - Halloween/Fall
Season 3- 4th of july/summer
Season 4 ?

What does everyone want to see?

Call me cliche and boring, but I want them to go back to Halloween. This shows whole tone and premise is so perfectly tuned to the Halloween feel, and I feel like they could easily squeeze out more spooky goodness from that aesthetic.

NotLiquid · Jul 12, 2019

DrForester said:
Neverending Story got Hooper killed.

Or at the least, thrown into a Russian prison.

Murray not double checking the number got Hopper killed

Hopper counting down to 3 got him killed

Anoregon · Jul 12, 2019

Out of all the things that got Hopper (presumably) killed, a girl in Utah totally removed from the situation and rightfully having no reason to actually believe any of the insane shit going on in is real is the last thing I'd blame.

Zutrax · Jul 12, 2019

Anoregon said:
Out of all the things that got Hopper (presumably) killed, a girl in Utah totally removed from the situation and rightfully having no reason to actually believe any of the insane shit going on in is real is the last thing I'd blame.

NotLiquid said:
Murray not double checking the number got Hopper killed

Hopper counting down to 3 got him killed

How about blaming the thing that actually got Hopper killed, the Russian Terminator. Everything else was just circumstantial and unfortunate timing.

Chitown B · Jul 12, 2019

Plinko said:
Not understanding how Brenner could have survived what he ran up against in Season 1. Makes absolutely zero sense.

? he's dead.

Chitown B · Jul 12, 2019

Solo said:
S1 was fall. This is like the third time I've seen people call it winter here. November is fall. The only part that veered into winter was the final scene at Christmas, and even Christsmas Day is only 4 days into winter.

As for S4, itll actually be winter, I think (released sometime between Dec. 21 2020 and March 20 2021, and set in the winter of 1986/1987). My guess anyway.

yeah I was thinking Xmas. But people think of Xmas in S1 because of the Xmas lights on the wall.

OrdinaryPrime · Jul 12, 2019

Chitown B said:
? he's dead.

We haven't seen his body though. Previously Stranger Things was pretty explicit about people that died.

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