That's a 6 year old article dealing with broad latitudes. For stuff that's immediately entered into or that requires a scroll, I read it. It'd be hypocritical if I didn't.
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That's a 6 year old article dealing with broad latitudes. For stuff that's immediately entered into or that requires a scroll, I read it. It'd be hypocritical if I didn't.
I'm in this alpha and I'm pretty sure the Alpha Agreement NDA stated that if you were caught streaming, posting, etc. on social media any game content that you'd be banned from Origin services, which is probably why his library was empty.
That's what it looks like, unfortunately the source video is too low res for anything clearer. But a game launcher that runs with administrator rights is usually not a legal version of the game.
Awesome and important. Removing someone's entire library sounds extreme TBH.
No you don't have to time to read them all, but this one is surprisingly easy to read and is relatively short. Also, as The Ghost says, there is a second warning as you're starting the game.
Why would anyone defend an NDA? I mean, why would anyone defend EA in this? Yeah, he was streaming Anthem, so what? It's a video game. Am I supposed to feel bad that EA might not be able to have as tightly controlled marketing as they were going to? If anything, this is just another mark against the digital-only future.
I agree. I was just wondering if it was an ownership or access deal. I haven't done anything EA since the PS2 era.
This is why people like you should not play and sign for NDAs and testing games, you are clueless and have no idea of how things work in Alpha games.
If people think the Alpha build is the same one that will be available in February should just stop playing games in Alpha state and stop spreading misinformation, the purpose of this test is to TEST the network, if the games breaks or it's bugged it's a normal procedure, there's nothing wrong in this.
That might have been the only game he had on origin. Until we find out more you don't get to go handing out "marks" my guy.
Oh right, I though it was a sly dig at the game itself haha.
Nope, I've enjoyed it so far actually. Pretty decent effort
The streamer literally agreed to not stream it but did it anyways.
Fun fact - You own literally zero of the games you buy digitally unless they come DRM free.
Why? Because you are buying a license. And guess what? Their TOS you didn't read says they can ban your account if they find that it violates their rules on their platform.
I bet that NDA that the guy didn't read said the same thing.
Maybe understand the shit you sign before you go off, bud.
Most likely because whatever build people are testing isn't representative of the current state of the game. Some builds are solely meant for network tests and are less feature complete for example, because taking the latest build and making a glorified demo out of it costs time and resources.
The (public) alphas you've been testing have already went through a lot of QA.
NDAs are different from TOS or EULA. NDAs are legally binding and serve the purpose of protecting the IP in this case. There's nothing wrong with using them especially when they're allowing players to get into the game months before the public release and polish that comes with that release.
What bad precedent? That breaking legal agreements will have consequences? I don't get why losing your account (which EA is in their right to do) is too much of a punishment for breaking a legal agreement that he signed knowing full well of the consequences of it.
If you don't think ether of those company's don't have language like that for their NDAs then I got a bridge to sell you.
They should consider themselves fortunate, if all they lost were their possibly-spare-Origin account.
You're confusing the TOS (Terms of Service) and an NDA (Non-Disclosure agreement). The second is legally binding and requires a signature and not just a "check the box."
Probably not even that, guy had over 1,000 viewers and his stream was titled "Anthem Online Closed Alpha". Not exactly discreet.
Or maybe it was, because the game straight-up crashed. Either way, he was done.
Man I can't wait to see the day some of you people break an NDA and get your asses sued for it.
It's not like they're complex or especially long documents either - a basic NDA is only a couple of pages long - so the EULA comparisons aren't relevant here.
If you knowingly break the terms of an NDA with clearly stated consequences, tough shit. Either don't sign the NDA in the first place or abide by its terms - like any other contract freely entered into.
It's not like they're complex or especially long documents either - a basic NDA is only a couple of pages long - so the EULA comparisons aren't relevant here.
If you knowingly break the terms of an NDA with clearly stated consequences, tough shit. Either don't sign the NDA in the first place or abide by its terms - like any other contract freely entered into.
I mean, it's pretty easy not to break an NDA
It's worth having a discussion over consumer rights in a digital era, but if the game isn't out and you somehow get it, trying to stream it for views is probably a bad idea
I'm not gonna cry over his lost game/games, if he wasn't an idiot he'd be fine
It's worth having a discussion over consumer rights in a digital era, but if the game isn't out and you somehow get it, trying to stream it for views is probably a bad idea
I'm not gonna cry over his lost game/games, if he wasn't an idiot he'd be fine
I'm with you. Just show them people your game or don't outsource your alpha and beta testing cheaply to them. Taking his access to the alpha would have been somewhat okay for me if they really want to go that route, but taking more games, not to mention a whole library seems 'more illegal' to me than showing footage of a video game to the public. Think of those games you haven't even bought through their store front but having them physically standing on your shelf – and you can't play them anymore. That level of authority and control might be in line with that they want to have with their alpha footage, but it is completely out of this world.
On the other hand, if they communicate it clearly that you will loose all your games by braking the NDA, which is still a bitch-move, I would have said "then fuck off, I'm not supporting that shit." Do your testing by yourself. Game's most probably even not that good just to have access in order to play it rather than to report bugs and stuff.
Do many platforms have ToS that are considered unreasonable though? Arn't they mostly along the lines of "don't pirate, don't cheat" etc
I'm fine with pirates and cheats losing their accounts
Also if the ToS change what happens with games you own under the previous ToS? Do they still stand under the previous ToS or do you need to comply with the new ones?
Unless he's violating NDAs, he won't. A lot of people here don't seem to know what an NDA is, why you have to sign one, or how stupid you have to be to break one you've signed. 99% of people will never be in this situation either because they never do/play anything requiring an NDA to be signed or they're not stupid enough to violate a legally binding contract.
People trying to use this as some kind of warning sign about digital purchases look ridiculous.
Because he broke a contract that he signed?
Do you go around breaking your word? Do you do it over legal matters?
I still can't believe that someone here said that "getting sued isn't a scary thing" and they weren't joking about it.
Crazy times we live in, eh?
Crazy times we live in, eh?
You always have to comply with the most up-to-date TOS. They also have to present you with the new TOS when it updates. The dystopian future where the TOS dictates that normal ways of playing/sharing content are in violation has yet to come and I doubt it's going to.
So if I buy a game on PC and mod it, and they update to ToS to say modding is not allowed, I need to comply with that even if I bought the game specifically to mod, when the ToS allowed me to mod the game?
And if I do continute to mod the game, they can ban my entire account for violating the ToS I had no choice but to agree with despite the fact I wouldn't have bought the game if the new ToS were known about?
This kind of comment displays so much ignorance, these people believe that just because "it's a videogame" it is not to be bound by rules and regulations as other industries are. You can tell these people are either too young and naive or haven't worked in an office and corporate environments. There are a lot of things involved here, you gotta come forward with something better than "So what? It's a videogame!" to prove you know what you're talking about. There's a lot of stuff involved in this, such as planning, legal contracts, budgets, money, sales projections, milestones and whatnot. It's not simply a matter of "B-b-but it's a videogame, who cares?".
This really isn't a battle the streamer would win even if he wanted to throw down legally about it tbh
All the more reason to not to go digital in most cases.
I actually read almost all legal agreements that online games or services sometime put in front of you (Just to see what shifty things they might try to scoot into an agreement that most people wouldn't notice) and if it states things like breaking TOS can revoke your license or purchases you made, that's a huge no for me. In most situations that wouldn't be an issue, but the idea that a company can just take away purchases you made legally, for valid violations or not, doesn't sit right with me. That's why the mass majority of my purchases are physical and will continue to be when possible.
Yes. That's not likely to happen unless you're modding the game in ways that aren't intended (i.e.; modifying game files illegally). I can't think of a single game that has had legal modding that is then subsequently dismantled by a TOS update. Happy to be wrong if someone has an example though.
Hell, very few games have TOS updates to begin with. Those that you do see are normally just being updated to reflect an updated name--such as when WoW has it's TOS updated every so often. Platform TOS updates are typically referring to new security measures (DRM) or privacy notices.
Love seeing the difference in expectations of consequences between breaking NDA rules vs stealing music, movies, anime or pornography.
Insurance should replace all that. Your digital games would not be salvageable, though.
And breaking an NDA is far worse than just straight up stealing, assuming the stuff you stole is publicly available. Companies SHOULD be coming down hard on people that break NDAs, don't do it people.