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Street Fighter V: Arcade Edition |OT2| Street Fighter Has Come Home
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Yun, Yang or especially both together is a good way for me to just stop caring about Street Fighter V as a whole and wait for VI.
I cannot see them hinting at characters like that but I have no idea what to expect for the rest of this season at all. Capcom's been weird, man.
I cannot see them hinting at characters like that but I have no idea what to expect for the rest of this season at all. Capcom's been weird, man.
Datamining it I found the codes for all the 5 characters in 3 different places. I assume this means that for this reason they are working on 5 characters more, so back in the past made room to include these characters with some placeholders that I assume are the Season 4 characters.
But there is a 4th place where since Kage(Z32)'s release they only had listed the next one after Kage (Z33), and in the most recent update they added a another one there(Z34). I assume this other list is for characters they have closer for release -maybe just some weeks away- and put it there for final tweaks and tests. I think they'll announce and release a single character at Final Round in addition to maybe some extra feature or content that may be added to PS4+PC versions related to the arcade release. But maybe what they do is to showcase the next one too, that I assume would be released several weeks (a month or two) after Final Round.
All these dates are just personal guesses.
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If only X-kira had the ability to include this after every prediction.
I really hope they don't go with the RE engine for SF6. Games like Guilty Gear Xrd and hell, even The Wind Waker prove that stylization is WAY more important than realism with regards to giving your game its own visual identity and ensuring they age better.
I don't want SF to become just another realistic fighter; so much of what makes Street Fighter Street Fighter comes from its embracing of anime nonsense to make characters more wacky and memorable.
I don't want SF to become just another realistic fighter; so much of what makes Street Fighter Street Fighter comes from its embracing of anime nonsense to make characters more wacky and memorable.
The reason being SF doesn't have a bland and muted artstyle like the NRS games. Although MK11 has good cinematics the in-game models and animations are better quality in SFV.
It's worth noting that engine doesn't necessarily equate to graphical style. MvC3 ran on RE Engine's predecessor, MT Framework, which was also used for games like Resident Evil 5 and Devil May Cry 4.
An SF6 could still use that engine, but have a very stylized appearance.
True as that may be, basically every time I see someone saying that SF6 should run on RE Engine it's in the context of "SF should look more realistic, like Mortal Kombat/Injustice/that initial SFV concept."
I'm very picky about this though bc imo even Tekken strays a bit too far into realism at the expense of spectacle sometimes, so the thought of SF having less-flashy supers or more "down to earth" character designs bc of a more realistic style rubs me the wrong way.
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Makes me wonder what kind of budgets does NRS manage.
Then again no amount of money would've made the story modes in either SFV or MvCI not trash.
NRS story modes are fun, but Capcom trying to copy them was a mistake, is a mistake, and will be a mistake in the future. Let that be NRS' thing. Do something different. Do something that leans into SF's strengths.
The draft proposal for SF5 was realistic.
It was terrible and got trashed.
Hopefully the cycle will repeat safely for 6.
It was terrible and got trashed.
Hopefully the cycle will repeat safely for 6.
The fear for RE engine for SF seems totally unfounded to me. What about it means they have to use photogrammetry if they use it? Why would it be harder to have a less realistic style? If UE4, and MT could have stylized graphics, why can't RE? Their engine might have better performance. They would be remiss if they haven't looked into the use of it for SF6.
Injustice 1 being Makoto: The Game is still crazy to me.
The issue with RE Engine isn't the capabilities, it's the need to outsource modeling.
Yeah, that possibly and the lack of documentation seems like the biggest issues, but most concerns revolve around artstyle. I wonder how critical the former is though? Can models be imported from other engines?
I wonder for things like stages and costumes how the performance hit on the engine is tested. UE4 probably has easier methods for contractors to test.
Not sure why the reactionary response to NRS' realism always means SF should move to the RE engine.
NRS games are still using Unreal 3. SF is already on Unreal.
(SF should never adopt a realistic style tho, that would be the worst shit to happen since The Movie The Game)
NRS games are still using Unreal 3. SF is already on Unreal.
(SF should never adopt a realistic style tho, that would be the worst shit to happen since The Movie The Game)
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I was gonna pass on DMCV until I found out it was 3rd Strike just now.
I'd say the forced redownloading of the entire game seemingly every other month is another issue.
Speaking of which, I was trawling through the Steam.db page for SFV, and noticed that generally whenever Capcom forced us to redownload the entire game, it was because the update or cumulative .pak updates up to that point were over 1GB (the only exception being the Ed update, which was around 600 MB). It makes me wonder if there's a maximum size for the in-game .pak downloads, because there was seemingly no reason for us to redownload 19.5 GB last month when an in-game download would've sufficed for just a few costumes and stage. If true, I think that makes a 5-character dump after Final Round less likely, as 5 characters would take up around 2 GB. I guess they could make us redownload everything again, but I just don't think they'd have gigantic 20 GB downloads two months in a row.
I actually liked SFV's story mode for what it was, but I'd give it up in a heartbeat for the return of the single-player mode that SF knocked out of the park: World Tour. It would probably take less resources than a cinematic story but also last longer for single players. The worst part is Survival mode had some elements of World Tour, but ended up being an absolute slog that was devoid of any fun.
I don't know if we can say that. If they can somehow squeeze more performance out of it to make it worth using, they should go for it.
For example, in KI the devs said they had the game engine running over 60fps under the hood to help their rollback netcode run better. Maybe RE engine gives them a little more juice like that.
Regardless, I can't imagine they aren't looking into the pros and cons of the engine choices for the next games and will choose appropriately. They would know better than anyone.
This is a UE4 issue that's fixed in current builds as well I believe. It's an issue for them because they don't want to go and re-do all the QA work to upconvert to a newer UE4 base build.
The FR update is almost certainly going to be the major March patch per the bundle wording, not a minor update one.
This engine talk is wack. Unreal (3 and 4) is being used for most high profile fighting games now, and has proven to be a valid toolset for this genre. The only two caveats was pak files making updates sizes a pain and input latency with UE4, but with newer UE4 builds and internal dev tools, the latter is a solved problem. It'd be wasteful for Dimps to dump all their progress made with UE4 from SFV's development if they jump engines for 6. I can only see this happening if Dimps had a bad experience working in UE4 and now wanted to jump, or Capcom pushing their engine in lite of departing from whatever early partnership they had with Epic.
This is the thing with Capcom. They have this awesome template with the World Tour mode from the Alpha 3. I wish they would just use that as the base and build up.
I totally agree
World Tour was awesome, I'd love to see something like that in SFV. I'd also love to see:
- Time Attack Mode: with FM as reward for achieving certain scores and local, friends, country and global rankings
- Tournament Mode: both eSports and casual single player friendly: offline, online, with tons of customization options and allowing a big amount of players
- Story Mode Vol 2: make another story featuring Season 2, 3, 4 characters plus some cameos
- Story Mode character epilogues: We got character stories that happened before SFV, give us character stories that happens after SFV story
- Final Battle Mode: fight bosses without needing to pay FM for it (maybe old ones from Extra Battle plus the story mode only characters)
True. As gamedev I can say that is way better to stick to UE than to build their own engine or to adapt RE engine. If people asks to use certain engines maybe it's because they think it's tied to the art style. And it isn't the case, today with proper shaders and art assets you can replicate any desired art style in any decent engine. UE has a ton of perks like total compability with any platform, great performance, "open" source, proven and improved after being implemented in thousands of successful games like many of the main recent fighting games, etc.
They already have a lot of work already done by Epic and many other devs there, do redo it from scratch for other engines doesn't make sense. Even if they would want to add some exta tech they can do it on top of UE.
It depends how big the update is, when they only want to add or replace some small amount of content they do small updates. Remember that they are making an arcade port of the game and it will be merged with the PS4 and PC versions, which means there is a shared code between all versions that is being added before the arcade release. In addition to this, they also include code related to upcoming features and content that still isn't enabled.
But from time to time, I assume that due to loading times and to max size it's better to make a brand new full update instead of having a very old full update with a lot of patches on top of it.
As I remember they already addressed it a couple of times, and SFV was updated a couple of times to include these input lags patches.
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World Tour mode could easily capture that Gear System grind from IJ2. Let people level up their Ryu into some broken version and play it in casuals and other single player modes. People would eat that shit up.
And I don't mind SF having cinematics in the future, but there should never be another single narrative where you jump from character to character like NRS does. Capcom could actually improve on that by merging Character Story, Cinematic Story, and Arcade modes into one. You select a character and get an arcade ladder. The length depends on difficulty. Each will have their own cinematic preludes, interludes, and epilogues. Spice them up with specific bonus stages, dramatic battles, and boss fights. Let the stories overlap and divulge naturally, so you don't have to exclude or include characters for story reasons. Use the World Warrior Tournament as the unifying theme.
Keep it fucking simple and focus on the details and the shit would be a smash.
I was gonna pass on DMC3 until I found out it was 3rd Strike just now.
I see everyone getting excited by MK11's trailer, and I just don't see the appeal...
It will be several hours of video that are going to be watched only once, preferably on Youtube. Yes, many people will buy the game, play through it that one time, and then resell it, and WB will receive a sufficient amount of money that way. There are reasons to be excited if you have shares with them.
But as video game enthusiasts? This is no different from Subspace Missionary. By contrast, Smash Bros Ultimate's Spirit mode and SFZero3's World Tour have you play the game (which is what you're supposed to enjoy doing if you buy a game I think?) and cost a fraction of MK11's cinematic budget.
At least SF5 lets you uninstal the cinematic mode once you've gone through it, so you can save space. Whatever the remaining budget of SF5, big or desperately small, I hope they don't waste half of it on a second story mode.
It will be several hours of video that are going to be watched only once, preferably on Youtube. Yes, many people will buy the game, play through it that one time, and then resell it, and WB will receive a sufficient amount of money that way. There are reasons to be excited if you have shares with them.
But as video game enthusiasts? This is no different from Subspace Missionary. By contrast, Smash Bros Ultimate's Spirit mode and SFZero3's World Tour have you play the game (which is what you're supposed to enjoy doing if you buy a game I think?) and cost a fraction of MK11's cinematic budget.
At least SF5 lets you uninstal the cinematic mode once you've gone through it, so you can save space. Whatever the remaining budget of SF5, big or desperately small, I hope they don't waste half of it on a second story mode.
An insane percentage of the fighting game players disagree with you. Online multiplayer means frustration for most players mostly due to the "low" amount of concurrent online players + matchmaking behavior that would help with that.
I'd be happy with that.
i'd buy that "improved arcade mode" too that would merge everything for SFVI too.
But I like having more content and game modes where I can spend more and more hours playing completing it to unlock stuff and to get a longer story so for me the more modes the better, at least for SFV now that they are using the current style.
Regarding the "narrative mode where you control different characters", I know NRS is kwown for them, but didn't Rival School made it before (at least the Japanese version that had that Visual Novel-like mode)? I don't remember RS very well, so proably I'm wrong.
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Not saying NRS was the first, but they're the ones to make it very popular. And for good reason, It's a clever way to encourage players to sample the entire cast.
It's a terrible way to tell a story, though. (Which is why I can't remember any of the NRS campaigns, even though I enjoyed all of them at launch) Ensemble TV series tell stories this way, to great effect, but they're always anchored by the arc of the main protagonist. Jon Snow in Game of Thrones. Michael in Arrested Development.
There shouldn't be one single protagonist in a fighting game. Each character needs to have their own arc. Smaller, more personal stories are better suited for fighting games than these comicbook crossover event style stories.
Mk11 looks interesting as shit but whatever you tell yourself
I hate bring up the pushes up glasses " As an artist " card, but the MK artstyle has actually grown into its own and a very unique fucking aesthetic and I feel like there's people out here who are going " Aristic = colorful " and don't appreciate the aesthetic choices they are making and especially the character designs .
I hate your avatar, your post, pretty much everything about you.
I personally really like MK character designs for the most part. Especially 10 and 11.
Pre -10, I disliked all the female ones really, haha.
My beef with MK is I feel the proportions on the characters look weird. I think the legs are too short on most everybody.
Even though it is way better now, mk11 still looks stiff to me when it animates . The follow though feels off.
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