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Street Fighter V |OT| This party's just getting crazy!
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Was watching Count Black's stream and saw him do cr. HP > EX DP with Ryu mid screen when VT1 was activated. I got hyped, but then I realize his EX donkey kick is a easier(but less damaging) version of that and VT1 still only last as long as I did the first time I had sex. Still a pretty cool thing to be able to do. I'll be rocking VT1 sometimes just because of that.
I've been putting off the last four survival mode runs for what feels like weeks, so I finally got off my butt and attempted two characters tonight. I got my mind blown by how easy it was to finish normal runs with Menat and Juri. Got both done on the first try, but Menat's run was so easy and fast that I almost thought I was dreaming. They stand no chance against AA st.HK and neutral st.HP. I dropped below 50% health like once. Juri was a ton of perfects and a somewhat close call with Bison, but it was still pretty good. Just gotta finish Zeku and Balrog so I never have to touch survival mode again.
Looks like it should be very easy to get counterhits after landing one as well. Wakeup pressure is the name of the game with V-Trigger 2. I just wish successful chokes and DDTs didn't eat so much v-gauge. V-Trigger I lasts a good while. I'm worried V-Trigger 2 will run out too quickly.
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The Arcade Edition OT is up:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/street-fighter-v-arcade-edition-ot-gone-gold.16321/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/street-fighter-v-arcade-edition-ot-gone-gold.16321/
This was really good and I wonder why they waited so long to do it.
Great job !!!
Man, I did not realise the struggle of Ed. Dude has absolutely no range and a lot of his stuff has long start-up or recovery. I don't think he has a good whiff punishing or shimmy tool either.
His damage is good, but he basically needs zero range clean hits to get it, which is really hard in this game. At the same time you have to eat all the amazing pressure other characters have, too. He has put the whole game in perspective for me lol
Or should I be posting in the AE thread? Doesn't really fit.
His damage is good, but he basically needs zero range clean hits to get it, which is really hard in this game. At the same time you have to eat all the amazing pressure other characters have, too. He has put the whole game in perspective for me lol
Or should I be posting in the AE thread? Doesn't really fit.
Well, let's agree they are both bottom of the barrel lol.
But him not being able to whiff punish pretty much anything with more than 1 hit just feels like he's in the wrong game. Or like they forgot to put another move in.
But him not being able to whiff punish pretty much anything with more than 1 hit just feels like he's in the wrong game. Or like they forgot to put another move in.
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Cleared Hard Survival with Guile. The struggle was real. Birdie, Mika, Rashid and Necalli really wanted a piece, but they're going hungry tonight.
Sonic Cross spam really saved my ass when I got unlucky with bonuses too; another run with 4 x low health vs attack / defense bonus 1, really? Game is straight up trolling me.
Sonic Cross spam really saved my ass when I got unlucky with bonuses too; another run with 4 x low health vs attack / defense bonus 1, really? Game is straight up trolling me.
Back From Hell get. Mo fight money, mo problems.
Rashid HK Eagle Spike spam still works, lol. Couple of close calls in the 60s and at the end with trading hits and low health power ups... fuck this mode, we out like Blackstreet.
Rashid HK Eagle Spike spam still works, lol. Couple of close calls in the 60s and at the end with trading hits and low health power ups... fuck this mode, we out like Blackstreet.
I've tried a few Normals (one per day) but keep failing towards the end. May just stop now and try Abigail Hard.
With AE around the corner and despite playing fighting games for years I just barely started looking at frame data lol...
...anyways how do I read it to find data on charge moves? Specifically, how many frames you need to hold back (ex: sonic boom) or down (ex: spinning bird kick) for a given move? Is it the same as startup or something else?
...anyways how do I read it to find data on charge moves? Specifically, how many frames you need to hold back (ex: sonic boom) or down (ex: spinning bird kick) for a given move? Is it the same as startup or something else?
I actually don't think most frame data sources have charge times, that's usually not what people look for.
Pretty sure the standard is 40 frames for charge moves, but it does differ between moves.
Oh and it's not startup, that one tells you how long it takes for a move to hit after you started it.
Pretty sure the standard is 40 frames for charge moves, but it does differ between moves.
Oh and it's not startup, that one tells you how long it takes for a move to hit after you started it.
Frame data doesn't usually have charge times listed, but FAT features both. For your example, look up Chun-Li, scroll down to spinning bird kick, click on it, and under extra info it'll tell you the charge time. In this case, 40 frames.
Some of them take 30 frames to charge and some of them take 40 or 45 frames. Check the FAT app. Bison's scissors take 40 frames but his head stomp takes 30, I feel like I always overcharge that one.
The input buffer window for all of them is 10 frames (The window for when you press a button while doing the charge motion) which is hella forgivable, so keep that in mind too.
Ah ok, got it, thanks! So the 'industry standard' on a charge is about 40 frames.
I'm trying to figure out why I'm not able to cancel into a spinning bird kick on certain combos while a bunch of youtube videos show it is very much possible...just wondering if I'm not holding the down charge long enough (or I just suck lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
I'm trying to figure out why I'm not able to cancel into a spinning bird kick on certain combos while a bunch of youtube videos show it is very much possible...just wondering if I'm not holding the down charge long enough (or I just suck lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Didn't FAT stop updating? I was using Frame Data V because of that.
Link/name the combo and we'll help you. There are some finicky ones with standing normals before a charge move which aren't easy.
I'm just trying to do Momochi's old combo cr.lp > st.mp > cr.mk > sbk...yup, there's a standing normal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOrC-28lJog&feature=youtu.be&t=336
Ah...but I see he's using a l.sbk, I've been trying to cancel into a m.sbk.
So wait, there are different frame counts for charge moves depending on LMH...?
The thing that made charge combos so much easier for me is to always go down+back (for crouching normals) and back (for standing normals), never go neutral unless you have to during combos with charge chars.
Try doing that Chun Li combo this way:
(down back) cr.lp > (back) st.mp > (down back) cr.mk xx l.sbk. This way you'll NEVER drop the initial charge that you started with cr.lp.
And don't worry, if you time the (back) st.mp correctly you won't drop the combo by walking back, just practice it and you'll pull it off in no time.
And yes, the startup animated frames are different, Chun Li's SBK from fastest to slowest: EX (5f) > L (9f) > M (15f) > H (19f). See the big difference between M.SBK and L.SBK? That's why you can't chain that combo with either M.SBK or H.SBK
It's the opposite with her fireball, EX (11f), H (9f), and M (11f), L (13f). In case you might think thag H specials are always faster than L.
Edit: and holy fuck I just checked how many frames it takes to charge Chun Li's fireball and apparently it's 50.. goddamn, why can't this shit be universal at 30 frames Capcom..
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I didn't know going down-back > full back > down-back doesn't drop a down charge...
...dude, this is mind-blowing. lol
Is it the same for back charge too? down-back > full down > down-back > sonic boom, for example?
Yeah, I'm able to see the frame data for startup, I meant to say does charge time on a charge move vary depending on LMH (or EX)...?
Thanks again everyone!!! All this info y'all provided is very enlightening =)
SFV has the worst online experience of any of the fighting games I play. I've played friends on different games to compare, it's STILL ass.
Yeah, back, down-back and down all keep the charge, the charge won't drop in your example, unless you screw up somehow and move down right instead of full down.
And regarding the second question, the charge time for a LMH or EX or even V-Trigger version of a charge move is all the same, e.g. all versions of Sonic Boom require 45 frames of charging.
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Yeah just tried doing that with Chun Li after reading your comment and didn't work.. Only charge I ever played is Bison and I'm sure that it works that way with him? unless I somehow don't know the exact motion of my charges and it's some sort of a placebo thing, which is plausible considering my scrub status. If that's the case then sorry for spreading misinformation GamePnoy74 .. you're gonna have to find another way to charge that L.SBK when you do a st.mp. I probably made this sound all confusing to you, ignore the underlined grey part of my post.
Edit: I'm a dumbass.. Bison's blast and scissors can all be charged whether you're holding back or down-back, for some bizarre reason I thought that it worked the same with down-up charge moves like SBK.
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It's all good guys, I appreciate the help tho!
Momoko did mention in the video some concept of 'pre-inputing' a move which flew way over my head, for a sec I was thinking a down-back (pre-input?) > back > down-back charge was something like that...until mnz killed all my hopes of understanding lol =P
(I'm not able to try any of this until this evening after I get back from work)
Momoko did mention in the video some concept of 'pre-inputing' a move which flew way over my head, for a sec I was thinking a down-back (pre-input?) > back > down-back charge was something like that...until mnz killed all my hopes of understanding lol =P
(I'm not able to try any of this until this evening after I get back from work)
Yeah, I think I went 2-20 today with Ed. And his buffs look kinda weak, too. Not sure if I can keep this adventure up. There are characters that outrange, outpressure and outdamage him, not sure why that is. Like why is his V-Trigger so interruptable when other characters get an instant one? Why does his uppercut have 16 frames of startup? I think he's the only character that can get a meaty medium and nothing after, too.
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Ed's problem is that he has such garbage punishes, especially crush counter combos, which he barely has any of worth. I routinely do awful with him, but I have fun playing with him regardless.
I don't understand people like Floe that say Ed is solid, or that Ed is in a good place. Just because of the buff to cr.mk?
I don't understand people like Floe that say Ed is solid, or that Ed is in a good place. Just because of the buff to cr.mk?
The only really solid Ed I see is Justin and his is extremely defensive. Almost in an absurd kind of way. I think that's what they mean, he counters the rushdown meta.
What is the biggest SFV discord? I need some tech.
What is the biggest SFV discord? I need some tech.
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