Good response from the Subnautica dev team. I always appreciate threads like these even if I don't feel I have much to add myself, because I like to stay informed about games I might potentially be interested in, and as a result of their actions I'm now more likely, not less, to give them my money in future.
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Subnautica's sound designer is apparently racist and transphobic. [Update: Fired]
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Witches aren't real. A terrible person being fired for their unprofessional conduct is not a witch hunt.
Learn how to use that term properly.
I apologize for having a low tolerance for blatant assholes.
You're ashamed that that the racist/transphobic man got fired for being a racist/transphobic man?
What.
Hopefully, when issues like this come up again, you will be shamed again and again
LMAO sure.
Unprofessional conduct? Like this thread you say? If you call it a witch hunt or not doesn't matter. It is what it is....embarrassing. People are happy when someone gets fired... fuck his life, right? He isn't worth anything, right?
Anyways, go on. In a couple of weeks there will be another one of those threads. But this is the last time I'm posting here, so...whatever.
Except this was not a witch hunt as likely UnknownWorlds got wind of this through Twitter in the first place. Also, i don't think its inherently bad that people with such views get exposed for what they are.
However, your response is exactly why i suggested making an official ERA message in the first place - That way you would not be calling it out as a witch hunt, which you now, unfortunately, think it is.
Actually, it is regrettable that this guy lost his job, his bread and butter. If you have enough skills to be in this industry, that's always a loss to cope with.
At the same time, its also regrettable that he made those damning statements whilst fully showing that he was a part of Unknown Worlds. As such, extreme views such like his will indirectly also target Unknown Worlds themselves. You should not have such extremist views in the first place, let alone posting them publically on the internet and then thinking nothing will happen.
If you want to support his kind of view, i won't stop you. I do think you would need a much more elaborate example to go along with then what you do now.
So this is just a burner account? :/ For shame. Im all up for criticizing the way a river flows, but you need more than a pebble to distort the whole river, sort to say.
That's an interesting response to a hateful bigot being rightfully fired from their job. Ignoring all the politics, bad PR and ongoing issues for the company, how are coworkers supposed to continue working with this guy (especially if the coworker is from any minority group)?
You know, the thing about witch hunts is that the "witches" being hunted weren't actually witches.
Do you fail to see the difference?
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Yeah, he isn't. Much like your contribution to this thread.
I wish you luck in your search to find a community where you can cape for bigots and not feel ashamed!
I dunno, hating brown people for coming from countries full of brown people seems rather unprofessional to me.
I dont believe we are consumers first. We're humans first, and if some choose to base their decisions around that idea and it ultimately leads to a lowered potential for entertainment/happiness, so be it. Such is the world we live in.
One thing that's really caught my mind lately concerning these instances is the similarities it has with the current political climate in the US. How many believe(myself included) that some who admits to supporting/voting Trump may not be racist, but are clearly okay with supporting one for their own selfish reasoning. Now take that example and apply it to openly bigoted, racist, and xenophobic individuals selling a product.
No, but I'm saying there are ways to discuss things that are both productive and counterproductive and we should be more thoughtful and less shrill when we have these discussions. It's always better to show why people are wrong than to just call them bad (even if both are true).
In the end, I actually think this was handled well. The company was made aware of it and they handled it themselves. That's how it should be.
That person's life isn't even ruined, they'll get another job soon enough. Their actions have consequences in this specific moment but they'll either learn and grow or they won't.. but either way, they will find work again. And he'll probably keep his mouth shut for a while.
I don't envy devs that have to do extensive background checks through social media but it's becoming a necessity now.
I don't envy devs that have to do extensive background checks through social media but it's becoming a necessity now.
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I hadn't heard about this game until just a few days ago, but after seeing this action and the high praise, I'm probably going to pick it up. Hopefully they don't receive too much backlash for letting this individual go.
I fail to see how his behavior is at all defendable. Care to elaborate?
A professional thread? What is that?
Can you earn money and make a service out of threads now?
Nobody is taking away his right to apply for jobs, his life isn't ruined.
Good on the team for taking action, though ideally they would have acted on their own without the need of external people needing to point these things out... It's not like he was secretive about her views after all, lol.
The way this term is used so often in situations like this is so baffling. The point of witch hunts being terrible is that no actual witches were involved, but "hunting" people with terrible views and conducts is justified and serves a purpose lmao. Nobody wants bigots as co workers let alone as public images of your company.
dumbass racist gets fired for twitter shit posting. No tears shed here but, is it really necessary to dig up peoples past just to fire them?
This person was fired for immediately visible behavior. There is a clear and present reason why he was fired. Stop using buzzwords if you don't know what they even mean in the first place.
But this just happened, there's no digging
The term "witch hunt" only works if the reasons for the "hunt" so to speak are very unclear, i.e. there may not even be a valid one and the witches were never witches in the first place. But in this case it doesn't; people are mad because of very clear reasons and have been asking for some sort of response or action from the developer, and now we've gotten that.
It's more about the people that have to work with him than it is any of us. I don't get anything out of him being fired, but I do think that what he said creates a hostile work environment for any diverse members of the staff, and that's not right.
Compassion is pretty limited for a person like me who is probably from a 3rd world country in his eyes. So what if some doors are closed to him now because of his racist/transphobic bullshit. He can either learn from it or keep on trucking being a piece of shit.
It wasn't his past though. He posted that response to the poll on the 3rd
This guy is a public figure because of their work on the game. The negative behind something being a "witch hunt" comes from it not being true. People are seeing derisive public statements about race and gender, not innuendo or fabrications. The response from people who don't like what they see has been criticism. The employer saw an employee's public behavior that was hostile to a whole spectrum of people, potential buyers and co-workers alike. People have every right to be glad to see it play out as it should. This isn't police breaking down someone's door or a drumhead court.
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I'm afraid you are the embarrassment here mate. A company reserves the right to fire someone that does something in public that damages their public image. And saying racist and transphobic stuff would certainly do that.
The removal of toxic, bigoted individuals from the workplace to protect the safety and well-being of co-workers is a huge part of professional conduct and leads to a better industry environment.
Bye.
If only all those "witches" had to worry about was getting fired.
He lost his job because he fucked up. And people are taking joy in it because he is saying some pretty awful things about other people. He has been routinely disrespectful to POC and trans people, so in turn, POC and trans people and their supporters are going to inevitably not respect him either.
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Oh he is, which is why the comparison works. I highlighted openly to emphasize how important knowing that information is in terms of consumers making purchase based on their moral compass, and others labeling them (or not) as a supporter of backwards and inappropriate thinking.
Looks like he's going to go cry about it to alt-right weirdos like Ian Cheong so probably not.
Given the post above, no. He's blaming us somehow for his open and public behavior. I didn't know Resetera already had the power to decide to fire people. I thought we had to wait a few years to get on Gaf's level /s
Seriously, the sheer amount of vitriol and lies spread by Cheong and other alt-righters is unreal.
And they're just all running with the narrative that Resetera is at fault somehow.
Embarrassment how? They got themselves fired. It's their fault for being shitty and not understanding how optics work.
As a software developer, it doesn't make sense to label me a "public figure" because I had a part in a particular commercial project. That's nonsense.
I have no sympathy for this guy, it's good that he's gone. But I don't like the personal implications that people put on my profession. I have contributed to both private/commerical and open source software am most definitely NOT a public figure. That's crazy to even say that.
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