You have the right to do whatever but might as well avoid almost every game in existence. Most likely there is always someone with distorted views who contributes to a games development. The whole team shouldn't suffer
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Subnautica's sound designer is apparently racist and transphobic. [Update: Fired]
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I can't and won't boycott this game, it's way too cool and I love survival games
But the studio really needs to release a statement and discipline this employee, at minimum
But the studio really needs to release a statement and discipline this employee, at minimum
This is pretty disheartening.
I'm almost 100% sure there's atleast one dev i really love that secretly have bigoted visions like this, and i just feeling lucky about how ignorant i am on that lol
Subnautica is not something i regard as must play, but looks pretty interesting nonetheless. Fortunately looks like this kind of vision doesn't make place on the game itself.
I'm almost 100% sure there's atleast one dev i really love that secretly have bigoted visions like this, and i just feeling lucky about how ignorant i am on that lol
Subnautica is not something i regard as must play, but looks pretty interesting nonetheless. Fortunately looks like this kind of vision doesn't make place on the game itself.
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There is nothing wrong with enjoying this game. I tried to make the OP as lenient as possible to those who wish to play the game.
You realize the vast majority of those "people on tumblr" were also just trolls right.
Did anyone say that though? What I see in here is people saying that defending this person is bad, which is perfectly reasonable.
How does making fun of something equate to being phobic of it? It might make you an asshole but that's about all the conclusions that could be drawn from that
Anybody who thinks this somehow equates to a AAA-production having a shitty person on the team is being comically transparent.
Well, another game to add to the list of games to skip. A real shame.
Indie devs especially need to check the Twitter histories of people they hire.
Indie devs especially need to check the Twitter histories of people they hire.
Making fun of people whose very identities are the butt end of jokes and shitty political policies worldwide is hateful.
Comparing identifying as a woman (for transwomen) to identifying as a helicopter is making a comparison that both are ridiculous. The whole point of the joke is that being an otherkin was ridiculous so they stepped it up to a helicopter to make fun of that. Painting transpeople's identities as being impossible or makebelieve is definitely transphobic.
"Most likely" is not direct evidence being shown to you. I would argue that it's still important to take action against people who let their hate flag fly proudly, even if we know that there's people who are like that on the down low.
You don't need to assume until they shove it in your face and then you take appropriate steps. But Unknown Worlds hasn't done that despite this guy showing them how he thinks directly.
I think the rest of his tweets say what is there of it.
It's not a good look.
Beats me. I know the Steven Universe hardcore community is a site to behold. Tumblr's a weird place, your probably right.
Read through the thread. Stil haven't found a definition of the "discussion" that is allowed here.
The person in question has terrible views. Everyone can agree on that. Nothing to discuss.
Is the discussion then whether the developer should be boycotted? For having one shitty employee? That's pretty aggressive I think. There are practically no productions of entertainment throughout history where at least one crew member wasn't a bad person. Besides, you'd be harming a lot of innocent people with families due to one single bad apple.
The person in question has terrible views. Everyone can agree on that. Nothing to discuss.
Is the discussion then whether the developer should be boycotted? For having one shitty employee? That's pretty aggressive I think. There are practically no productions of entertainment throughout history where at least one crew member wasn't a bad person. Besides, you'd be harming a lot of innocent people with families due to one single bad apple.
I read it as "Subnautica's sound design is apparently racist and transphobic". I was about to say.
But yeah, there goes that good old "I was just trolling but *says something remarkably racist/sexist anyway*"
I've had an interest in playing this game. Although its a shame they got one nasty employee, I'm sure the rest are decent and perhaps they will act accordingly towards this one. Ideally, anyway.
I'll try not to have it detract from the possibility I play it, although I can't seem to shake what has been said about Kingdom Come: Deliverance every time I hear about it.
But yeah, there goes that good old "I was just trolling but *says something remarkably racist/sexist anyway*"
I've had an interest in playing this game. Although its a shame they got one nasty employee, I'm sure the rest are decent and perhaps they will act accordingly towards this one. Ideally, anyway.
I'll try not to have it detract from the possibility I play it, although I can't seem to shake what has been said about Kingdom Come: Deliverance every time I hear about it.
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Just because one person is a dick doesn't mean you should skip an entire game.
You'll be shocked to know that some of the greatest games of all time will have had at least one person on the team who has had some absolutely horrible world views.
EXACTLY. Thank you.
This is absolutely the best thing to come out of yet another one of these incidents/threads. Do we want actual, productive discourse that may serve to inform, bolster or sway opinions in a positive way? Or like "thedrunkenchild" asked, is it the mod's intention for these threads to only involve shitting on these people and banning anyone who even breathes in the way that "defenders of such behaviour" would???
I don't get the mentality of "you shouldn't boycott this one thing because everything in the world is made by at least one bad person".
Like, why would you not use the information you have accessible and do your best to ethically purchase as often as you feasibly can, if that's something you care about?
Like, why would you not use the information you have accessible and do your best to ethically purchase as often as you feasibly can, if that's something you care about?
Whose opinion are you trying to sway, and how to purpose to do so without pointing out the inherent racism and transphobia being discussed?
Dude is such a garbage person. Did the team say anything about his behavior? If they're choosing to ignore it or even defend it then that's definitely a bad look. And if choose boycott it due to that then I don't see how that's such a "harsh" reaction like how some people are saying this thread lol
Oh and yeah the team definitely come out and be against his/her views or fire him/her. Didn't something similar happen with the Yooka-Laylee devs when one of the voice actor was found out to be a racist. Dunno why this team can't take a similar stance against this trash unless they support his/her beliefs.
Oh and yeah the team definitely come out and be against his/her views or fire him/her. Didn't something similar happen with the Yooka-Laylee devs when one of the voice actor was found out to be a racist. Dunno why this team can't take a similar stance against this trash unless they support his/her beliefs.
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If you read the thread you'd know that this is in the context of other employees of that company tweeting similarly heinous shit. Also, the developer has a responsibility towards their employees being openly racist.
Btw that saying is actually "one bad apple ruins the bunch".
I don't know why there's such an eagerness to defend this sorta behaviour that we see with this guy and the user who was banned in the first thread. The mods here aren't 'banning anyone who even breathes (in italics and bolded, of course) in that way' they're banning people who defend awful, harmful 'jokes' using terrible equations and equivalences.
Why you're so worked up about that is perplexing to me.
It makes sense to me to put a thread together when you're disappointed with someone's publicly expressed views. Given that Subnautica is now having its hard launch, a discussion centered around a member of the dev team who said some vile bullshit is timely. People can draw their own conclusions from there.
But are they are Twitter making their views plainly known for all? Suspicions are one thing, but someone making their horrible views clear is different.
Why don't you read the posts from the guy who was banned in this very topic and the guy who was banned in this topic: https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...r-is-apparently-racist-and-transphobic.21139/ and tell me exactly what kind of discussion they were trying to have?
User warned: A person's humanity can not be boiled down to "life style choices" or "opinions"
And yet. Another thread about the developers choices . Opinion. Sexuality and life choices, and not the games that they make . Before i get the next god of war, i think i should search the past and opinion of all it's developers. The world we live today
Calling them life choices is interesting wording. But why wouldn't we talk about this? People should be held accountable for the things they say. That doesn't necessarily mean a boycott of the entire game, but people won't learn if we don't' have conversations about this.
there is nothing wrong with being interested in the views of creators. this bitching any time someone decides to discuss these things is ridiculous. if you're not interested in discussing it... why pop in the thread?
The game has an official topic, go look for it and discuss the game he worked on?
Explain what "productive discourse" you're looking for. The comments are objectively racist and transphobic, are you looking to dispute that? As stated by another user in this thread, do you plan on telling trans people what is and isn't insulting and offensive to them?
I'd probably edit this, someone was perma-banned in the last thread for saying nearly the exact same thing.
Yeah, those are my thoughts as well. That's some shitty stuff they said (people from 3rd world countries are going to bring more crime over? Seriously?) but if the game is good, I'll still play it.
Not that I'll play Subnautica, underwater games scare the shit out of me, but that's besides the point.
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For one, on a indie team like this a single person has a ton more influence over the end product, and they're a clearer direct beneficiary from a sale. Secondly, I already have too many games to play, and things like this simply make it easier to drop items off the list.
User Banned (2 days): There is nothing humorous about a person's gender identity.
it was not about it being ridiculous it was about the very large number of possible genders, it's a joke about how many different genders people can identify with. it's like a tall guy joking with a short about being father and son, it's an over exaggeration making fun of reality.
Consumers are free to make informed decisions on how they spend their money and the people they support with the products they buy. Readily available public information that can potentially help people make choices that align with their ethics or values is an issue how?
You mean the whole Jon Tron thing? Ya he got booted for Yooka-Laylee, but I think he only had a small part anyways, was more as a promotional thing iirc
Being blatantly racist and transphobic is a 'life choice' now?
Same. That poll earlier posted by another member of the team and the subsequent reply are pretty fucking disgusting. Too many good devs out there who don't hold such abhorrent views(at least publicly for all I know) who need support for me to tolerate this nonsense, they get none of my money.
Will probably pick it up later at a discount. I'm not going to forsake the rest of the team over one person's shitty opinion and beliefs.
The very large numbers? It just has cis male/female, trans male/female, and nonbinary. He sees this list and goes for THE joke that people have been using to mock our identities for years now. I'm speaking from experience from how I've seen people use this joke against us.
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