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Oct 26, 2017
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That's a really interesting take. I never considered Giorno as being a shadow leader, just...overshadowed by Bruno.
There are just so many moments where Giorno takes charge without looking to Bruno for approval. Im thinking of that time when bruno is preparing to say that hes going to go to the island to kill the Kraftwerk dude and giorno says it before he can, and hes kind of unsettled because he was expecting to be the one who fills that role.

Giorno defeated Buccaratti and enlisted HIM, not the other way around. Its less like Giorno joined the gang, and more like the gang joined Giorno. Only thing is, none of them actually know its like that except buccaratti, because obviously that would be both suspicious and controversial.

Its interesting to note that none of the gang has any idea what these two are intending re: the boss. You'd expect these types of characters to know the ultimate goal by the time shit's about to get serious, but the fact that they're just going to get thrown into it is kind of exciting
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Not gonna say anything specific, but if some of the shit in this episode of jojo is what i think it is, then i now completely understand what giorno's role is in this story
 
Nov 17, 2017
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Final episode of Jet Set Radiooo!
Man, I like the music history aspect of both this and Katamari. Hope Woolie and Reggie keep a theme going for their LP's.
Now off to Jet Set Radio Future.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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That Degrees of Separation LP......

Woolie and Minh definitely have chemistry problems
im reading the youtube comments to this before watching and man, am i excited.

EDIT: I think this video maybe demonstrated that woolie relies too much on being given unlimited rope to tell his jokes. nothing he was trying to say really NEEDED that style of back and forth long setup. Also Minh's reactions were often kind of a lot funnier than whatever woolie was going for.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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holy shit that degrees of segregation video is like a David Lynch film. It's so layered and has so many levels to it. The bumbling of easy puzzles. Woolie trying to force long jokes, Billy undercutting said jokes, the sand bagging being funnier than the joke ever was. Woolie trying to do Pat-esque banter with someone who doesn't understand it and then trying to explain it to him. The immense amounts of cringe, lack of synergy and the video ending in an actual argument.

Usually a video like this would be frustrating but all these elements fuse to make something bafflingly hilarious.

The game itself is a metaphor for the comedic barrier seperating Woolie and Minh. Seriously guys watch this video. This is art.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I played through all dmc games (including 2) on normal and hard as prep for DMCV. That's dmc2 four times. That game sucks even harder than I remember from when I was teen.
 
Aug 27, 2018
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I legit had no idea DMC V was coming out this week. I've only ever played 4 and DmC, pretty excited for it though. Hope Pat and Woolie, or Woolie and Matt...or Woolie and Liam do an LP.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Periodical random jojo nonsequitur speculation: It seems unlikely that king crimson affects the entire world, due to the fact it could mean millions of simultaneous accidents, such as car crashes or botched plane landings, ect. Does this then mean it only affects time in a radius around it? ie giorno and crew are now several seconds out of step with the rest of time? Or does it actually only erase short term memories in a radius around the user and not actually affect time beyond the user's perception of it?

The thing i love about king crimson, and what i was not expecting, is that its complexity is almost entirely on a metaphysical and existential level. Its very simple to understand what's effectively happening, but not to understand what it means, and unlike other stands, its very nature actively brings these questions to the forefront.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Periodical random jojo nonsequitur speculation: It seems unlikely that king crimson affects the entire world, due to the fact it could mean millions of simultaneous accidents, such as car crashes or botched plane landings, ect. Does this then mean it only affects time in a radius around it? ie giorno and crew are now several seconds out of step with the rest of time? Or does it actually only erase short term memories in a radius around the user and not actually affect time beyond the user's perception of it?

The thing i love about king crimson, and what i was not expecting, is that its complexity is almost entirely on a metaphysical and existential level. Its very simple to understand what's effectively happening, but not to understand what it means, and unlike other stands, its very nature actively brings these questions to the forefront.
They would just not remember driving their car or landing the plane, they still do the action in the 'deleted' time. It's more that sense of walking down the road and realizing that you can't remember a part of your walk.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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They would just not remember driving their car or landing the plane, they still do the action in the 'deleted' time. It's more that sense of walking down the road and realizing that you can't remember a part of your walk.
but if time catches up at the moment when you're in the middle of merging or something, and you don't even remember starting to merge, who's to say you wouldn't either jerk the wheel straight due to being disoriented, or over-correct and slam into the adjacent lane because you don't remember having merged.

Who's to say a pilot might not disengage the landing gear because they don't remember having engaged it? (assuming the control for those two actions is the same button, and not a switch.) maybe more realistically, what's the percentage chance that a million people immediately take an unsafe dose of medication because they don't remember having already taken it in that 5 second period that no longer exists?

It's not as if people don't notice the compression of time, abbaccio was visibly confused and hesitated at finishing the sentence he was trying to say when he appeared to have teleported.

it's possible the potential implications are just never addressed, and it is something most people just never notice. but the way it was portrayed from the gang's perspective just makes my brain break.

I'm not a "oh no plothole" type of guy, i honestly don't care if these details aren't important, it's just that the way that this show has trained me to think about powers and special abilities inevitably sends me down this rabbit hole. because like, who knows, it might actually end up being important to the story?
 

Hoot

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Nov 12, 2017
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My simple understanding is that King Crimson doesn't erase time itself, just that it will erase the perception of said time to nearby people when used. Additionally, you could simply say that stand users are more sensible to actually noticing the effect, while just regular people or people not actually being in a sense of awareness of stands or such powers just do not notice the skipped time, so you wouldn't have car crashes since they'd just continue their actions and not notice once the power is over.

Honestly, I think it's brilliant. Like Pat and Woolie said on the podcast, it's a terrifying power on one hand (giving you a timeout of 5 seconds to basically do whatever you want without being noticed and without the person being aware of that time is so much more interesting than a pure time stop), but it puts a very clear limitation and way of beating the villain. It makes sense that he cannot take on several stand users at the same time, and he's still susceptible to potential ruses. It makes the puzzle of beating him incredibly interesting.

Honestly, for all the memes of "how does king crimson works", I find it surprisingly easy to understand ? It's way less far fetched than previous stands we've seen this part. Hell, it definitively makes WAY more sense in practice than Giorno's stupid stand
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I was about to say the same thing. King Crimson makes sense to me. Giorno's stand is way more deserving of the "how does this work?" meme. Shit doesn't make any sense or have any consistency.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The King Crimson "It Just Works" meme largely originates from the god-awful early English translation. The explanations of how KC functioned were butchered and became more convoluted than the original Japanese, so many Western readers were forced to analyze King Crimson through that lens. It grew into a meme off the back of that.
 

Hoot

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Nov 12, 2017
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"I HAVE PLANTED THE TURTLE'S ADN ON THIS OBJECT SO NOW I CAN TRANSFORM IT INTO THE SAME TURTLE WHO ALSO HAS THE SAME STAND POWER"

Abbachio was right. Giorno is stupid
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Recent Sekiro previews made me remember those parts in the DS3 LP where they consulted a step-by-step guide to not miss out on stuff, because that's what everyone who watched demanded back then. I'd prefer them going in blind when they decide to stream any new game. Sekiro seems to have something akin to world tendency, and the consequences of that are hinted at to be massive, all the forks it can go and stuff going awry when going into these games blind is strong with this one as well. Big Anxiety about the fate of your NPCs go up. I always thought that getting bent out of shape with the endings you get by going in blind is dumb , if it bothers you and you can't accept the result that much you can't go in blind then.