People would rather skip the entire level than trying to beat it alone so is still a bad thing for whoever created the level, I think.
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Super Mario Maker 2 announced for Nintendo Switch; coming June 2019
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Testing for multiplayer is more difficult because having multiple players increases the variables exponentially.
Testing for softlocks for single player is very doable. With multiplayer your ability to foresee and prevent them is hampered.
What I mean by split the userbase is if you separate them, some people will only play single or multiplayer levels. One might be way more popular than the other.
SMM does not use a tilemap as the core, or even one of the core, elements of the level. There's a grid with object overlap limitations, but that's not the same thing. In SMM1 you create landmass with rectangles instead, and it's safe to assume something similar here. This makes the water tile concept significantly weirder to reason about.
Wow so online infrastructure and servers cost those companies absolutely nothing? They just materialise out of thin air? Interesting. They should share that tech with the big three.
Fair point. But you can't really softlock in LBP, since you can self destruct.
I mean if you're going by softlock potential it's clear in SMM1 they didn't give a shit about softlocks. People were asking for restart at checkpoint from day 1 and it never happened.
To be fair, there is A LOT to analyse. Andre really needs to kick the analysis machine into overdrive for this one.
But, I mean, I've already covered pretty much everything. Does I Wanna Be The Guy have me on ignore for some reason?
Day 65, if you wanna get technical.
Also man I am so fucking hyped for this I honestly can't deal with it
If someone went to a lot of effort to break everything down and posted it here I would have certainly acknowledged it. But alas, nobody did and thus no feelings were hurt. Just gotta wait for Gamexplain!
Yeah, as soon as I posted it I realized it wasn't there from the start. But didn't feel like it needed to be broken down. lol
https://youtu.be/Qv8n4QllRL8
Ceave probably has the best video breakdown I've seen. He not only goes frame by frame but also goes in to detail about implimentation.
There also has been a couple breakdowns in this thread though.
Nah. I just don't always say anything. Like I read your posts detailing stuff and thought ooooothis is good stuff. I just didn't say anything because....I don't even know I just didn't. You're probably right Gamexplain's analysis is unlikely to say anything you haven't already posted. But I'm excited for it anyway!
I like gamexplain, too, and also look forward to their analysis.
It may not seem like it since I don't have the ability to make youtube videos, but that analysis still took hours, heh. I have no life :(
I guess any form of touch control could be gone, since they made the navigations more joystick friendly? So shaking will probably be gone too, if enemies have submenus where you can give them mushrooms or other different attributes.
Let's just assume, touch will be gone for good, atleast the drawing part. Then level creation will take significantly longer.
Let's just assume, touch will be gone for good, atleast the drawing part. Then level creation will take significantly longer.
I just hope the costumes are back at all. I'm fearing for their fate after the 3ds version.
As far as the costumes go, it'd be kind of neat if you could equip them on Goombas and other simple enemies.
I'd really like NPCs too, which you could give costumes and a couple of basic behaviors, but I grant that any text for dialogue is going to be a concern.
Maybe always show a "Report? (-)" prompt on the screen every time there's user text displayed. Or limit people to preset words, or pictograms?
There is no way touch is gone. I would only assume all those options you're talking about are just to make creating with the controller easier. You can't exactly shake the units when you're using the joystick. They wouldn't make the only way to create be the way that their worried about enough to change the interface to make it easier.
If touch was gone the old top menu would be gone completely.
But arent capacitive styluses on capacitive screens far less accurate than drawing on a resistive screen? To be fair, the grid in Super Mario Maker is fairly large. But I dont see Nintendo selling a stylus with the game and leaving the digital version in the dirt and drawing with your finger would be far inferior to a stylus. Not an expert tho. :O
I'm also preparing myself for it to not feature touch support. I have no evidence other than that this game looks perfect which means something has to go wrong lol.
The way the slope in the trailer was built looks like it was built using the analog stick. Now, perhaps there's a way to built via the sticks as well as with your finger using touch and that they didn't want to showcase a big finger all over the menu in the trailer.
The interface still supports touch, there's a big x button in the corner of the radial menus that wouldn't be there otherwise.
You could add text through miiverse. I played through a few stages that made use of that and were completely broken after miiverse went down. If they add miiverse functionality to the core game, like splatoon did, that could be there.
I just don't see them taking the option away when that was the only way people created levels before. They seem to also have added the ability to zoom in when creating so that would alleviate the accuracy issues. It doesn't seem like the magnifying glass on the menu zooms in in that way so I would assume there would be a general touch gesture to do that if there was no other visual representation on the menu.
The announcement of Super Mario Maker 2 further confirms that Nintendo is DONE with traditional 2D Mario games. I don't think we will see another 2D Mario game for a loooong time.
Thank goodness for that, they were getting super uninspried from what I saw
Because it wasn't Dan and Jeff doing it. It needs to be them two for that special level of chaos.
It's a shame that Nintendo found the formula for Donkey Kong but didn't apply it for Mario. Back in the 8 and 16 bit era, Mario was pushing production values, storytelling through the environment, mood, etc. Then NSMBU came, and it's just a bunch of generic tilesets, all while the Donkey Kong Country games by Retro were setting the example for 2D platformers. With how much 2D Mario sells, why wouldn't they give 2D Mario the budget and ambition they give to 3D Mario and Donkey Kong?
They likely think (or at least, thought) that clean environments and a "generic" Mario identity are part of the appeal of the game, not a problem.
Or that is simpler to add functions into mario maker than doing a reboot of 2D Mario...
Have a hard time believing that Nintendo will not make another 2D mario game with the sales numbers NSMB historical has shown.
As NSMB U was released this year and now SMM2 I am not expecting a new 2D mario next year but someday it will be back...
I think SMBDX and the multitude of Advance games count for something though.
Yeah, but they were all just rereleases and deluxe versions. If we're counting those why wouldn't NSMBU Deluxe count in that same line with it coming out just last month?
Not to mention, SMW wasn't really "pushing" much of anything, even on release.
It's a game that prioritsizes functionality over all else with regard to visuals.
Huh? I remember SMW as mindblowing for 2D platforming when it was first released, to a large degree because of its pretty graphics and the sprite rotation/scaling it did. The game knows it too and keeps exploiting this functionality as the game progresses, especially for bosses. Look at the enemies too compared to the earlier Mario games. You have some pretty big enemies in this game compared to what came before, as well as enemies that took advantage of the hardware for no reason other than to look cool (the giant bubbles, for example).
Other game systems (and computers) at the time had no chance of pulling off the graphical stunts that SMW did.
I didn't play the game in 1990 (it released in the US in 91) and visually it always lost its impact in the face of the first Sonic.
I still want a NSMBSwitch eventually. With a new art style. New look. Something to break away from the rest of the NSMB line. It'll come. Just not soon probably. Maybe closer to the end of the Switch's run. Hopefully after a sequel to 3D World. (Or Odyssey)
SMW was an impressive launch SNES graphics chips tech demonstration, no one who is aware of their limitations will deny that - I'm not sure if there's a level with four tilemaps, aside from that it seems to show off everything - but the patterns themselves were relatively conservative. It's logical extension of Mario's NES outings, just take a look at screenshots.
Great observation! Touch prettymuch confirmed?! The game wouldn't be the same without it.
Zoom in? Great observation. Yet another clue that touch controls will be present. This would allow for efficient use of fingers instead of needing a sylus.....very interesting.
I'm so conflicted on this
I love CP1 trolls and the like, but as somebody who plays the game give me a fucking restart at checkpoint option.
Its funny you mention this. I was just playing through the Mario Challenge levels (Nintendo made Mario maker levels on 3DS version).
These levels are so gosh darn fun and well designed. I have had more fun playing these Mario levels then any other 2D Mario tile since the SNES. The amount of levels are really impressive too.
It got me thinking that they could probably sell Nintendo made level packages on Maker 2 as DLC. They could make a brand new Mario game using Mario Maker 2 and sell it as DLC through the game. I feel that with all the cool extras in Mario Maker - there are just more fun possibilities. The 3DS Nintendo made maker levels have really shown me that the sky is the limit with what can be done.
I booted up my old WiiU and I plan on just using the tablet for a while. I don't miss much skipping the TV for now right? Wonder if I'm going to fall down a WiiU hole now...