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Super Mario Maker 2 Direct (May 15 at 3 p.m. PT / 6 p.m, 15 minutes) [See threadmark]

Oct 27, 2017
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what other discount programs have a $100 minimum spend in order to get a discount for a program you're already paying a subscription for?

it's just a very meager discount, especially when some of the games that are part of the "discount" have already been discounted on the eShop without a $100 minimum purchase or a paid subscription
Never heard of ps plus discounts lol

Everyone does this, if anything this is more generous than ps / xbox - anyway of getting as big a pre order discount on digital content on the other platforms....?
 

r_n

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,207
The issue with Mario Odyssey is that it'd be the only theme that couldn't have four players (we know 3D World supports them because of all the cat renders). The possession would only work with Mario and Luigi, unless Toadette rips her head in half.

So yeah that paints it as SMB2, to me. Imagine picking up and throwing each other.
this feels remedied by giving them hats for that style. Like their Captain hats, builder hats or maybe just random cappy alikes. maybe Toadette wears Tiara, for example
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,761
Even a good level won't necessarily be fortunate with that. Make no mistake about it people will dislike levels when they get frustrated after a couple deaths. Puzzle levels will get dislikes when people don't figure it out straight away. A good level won't necessarily have a good like to dislike ratio. This isn't going to work out well.
Maybe there should be a limit on how many dislikes one can leave per day or week.
Ration out the inevitable hate and maybe it might end up where it should.

But probably not
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,345
It's pretty clear you need multiple Switches for multiplayer, also the website indicates so.
The British listing website really doesn't indicate it unless you count the sequence in the whole Direct, which is a separate thing. This quote is not taken out of context, and is placed outside of "Online" section (which, given the need for one online connection shown in the Direct, would apply to ad-hoc room too):
Want to show off your creations to friends? Up to four players can try to beat created courses at the same time in local multiplayer. Play as Mario, Luigi, Toad and Toadette, and let the fun begin!
Doesn't make it clear at all.

The Direct... was the Direct. It sure implied no offline multiplayer, but wasn't really 100% transparent about it. The NA website seems to only mention online multiplayer, without mentioning the online nearby room mode at all.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,416
Upstate NY
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
 
Oct 25, 2017
388
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
I mean they just showed that there will be more styles other than the ones already introduced.
 

mael

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
6,124
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
3D World is a vastly better theme than anything they could do with SMB2.
On top of that SMB2 is really rather weird in how it fits the SMB tropes, it's kinda like requesting Wario Land in Mario Maker in how it doesn't really fit with the other Mario games.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,952
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
Why would anyone expect the 3D world theme to be actual 3D? One of the big reasons Mario Maker works so well is that the 2D Mario toolset is incredibly simple at it's core even if it is very robust. 3D game design is exponentially more complex, and I think not including it is a good decision
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The issue with Mario Odyssey is that it'd be the only theme that couldn't have four players (we know 3D World supports them because of all the cat renders). The possession would only work with Mario and Luigi, unless Toadette rips her head in half.

So yeah that paints it as SMB2, to me. Imagine picking up and throwing each other.
just have Toadette wear her Builder Helmet in that style

problem solved
 
Oct 27, 2017
643
Has it already been pointed out that the Maker Profile in this is reusing assets from Miitomo? ‘Cause it totally is. I immediately recognized those Mii poses and animations are ripped straight out of Miitomo. It’s nice to see some Miitomo content live on in some form, at least!
 

mael

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
6,124
Has it already been pointed out that the Maker Profile in this is reusing assets from Miitomo? ‘Cause it totally is. I immediately recognized those Mii poses and animations are ripped straight out of Miitomo. It’s nice to see some Miitomo content live on in some form, at least!
To be fair I thought it was from the 3DS Mii plaza myself.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,647
I've watched this Direct a few times now and I'm still just blown away. Nintendo went above and beyond in terms of content and quality of life features.
 
Apr 8, 2018
3,642
Boy, there are already a lot of garbage posts in this thread. For something as joyful as Mario Maker? And for a game that looks like it's totally packed with stuff?
 

r_n

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,207
So taking stock here...



Ground, obviously



Underground



Underwater which I had to go to the original unveil trailer for



Castle. Well, kind of funny it's *outside* the castle



Ghost House



Desert


Jungle


Snow



This was the one I thought was Sky, but it bobs up & down so that puts it as Air Ship


So I guess by process of elimination, for some reason, Sky theme is represented by...toy box?
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,431
this feels remedied by giving them hats for that style. Like their Captain hats, builder hats or maybe just random cappy alikes. maybe Toadette wears Tiara, for example
just have Toadette wear her Builder Helmet in that style

problem solved
I could see Toadette wearing Tiara, sure.

I just can't really see it being a base-game thing, seems like a lot of work for them to avoid flaunting in favor of 3D World, unlike SMB2 which is much smaller scale. If they do DLC though it'd make a lot of sense.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,580
Costa Rica
The British listing website really doesn't indicate it unless you count the sequence in the whole Direct, which is a separate thing. This quote is not taken out of context, and is placed outside of "Online" section (which, given the need for one online connection shown in the Direct, would apply to ad-hoc room too):

Doesn't make it clear at all.

The Direct... was the Direct. It sure implied no offline multiplayer, but wasn't really 100% transparent about it. The NA website seems to only mention online multiplayer, without mentioning the online nearby room mode at all.
The only nearby room is there on the official website, but you also need to have NSO and connected online (the host) to play with multiple Switches locally.

The reason why there's no multiplayer in a single console is because every player needs to have their own screen and split screen would be too small.

Check this for more info: https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...uirements-and-multiplayer-limitations.117196/
 
May 22, 2018
2,698
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
Super Mario Bros 2 isn't even a real Mario game. If you actually expected Nintendo to acknowledge it any meaningful way, that's on you for setting your expectations too high.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,265
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
Basically everything they're doing with this game is being seen as going above and beyond and far surpassing expectations for the sequel by the vast majority of the playerbase. In what dimension could they possibly be seen as tone-deaf here lol? And a 3D World theme with unique mechanics is vastly better than getting a fifth style swap for the worst 2D Mario game. Local multiplayer is unfortunate but seems that how the mode works requires everyone's screen to scroll independently so at least there's a reason.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,610
Los Angeles
Jesus, this is just an overwhelming amount of content. I feel like I'd have choice paralysis just sitting down to make a level, but then again, I also feel like I'll be able to make any level that pops into my mind.

I'm here mostly for the endless supply of fucking bonkers 2D Mario, though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,761
Wait, someone has to have pointed out this screenshot, right?


There are mini-pipes there, and it seems like the metal stuff in that forest screenshot isn't a theme exclusive element.
As odd as it sounds, possibly daytime SMB3 forest?

mini pipes must be single blocks, the metallic bits semi solid platforms
 

minimaxir

Built an AI that makes better threads than you
Member
May 9, 2018
1,116
Super Mario Bros 2 isn't even a real Mario game. If you actually expected Nintendo to acknowledge it any meaningful way, that's on you for setting your expectations too high.
Er Nintendo has done quite a lot with SMB2. It was literally the first Super Mario Advance game that launched the GBA.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,104
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
I don't think anybody expected the 3D World mode to be 3D, that'd be an entirely different game, functionally

and the local multiplayer thing is unfortunate but, given the degree of control people have over their stage creations, that decision likely stems from considerations about how couch multiplayer Mario mechanics such as bubble and screen zoom might impact and subvert stage designs in ways that neither single-player play nor multi-switch play would
 
Mar 25, 2019
731
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
Your first point being so unreasonable makes it hard to take the rest seriously.
 
Jan 24, 2018
309
So I'm a little late but we all saw this empty slot under "Extra Game Styles" right



So that's where they're gonna put Super Mario Bros 2 since it has different/unique gameplay from the other 4, like SM3DW does, right? RIGHT??
High chance: Mario 2
Potentially: Mario Land, Mario 64
Left Field: Mario + Rabbids, Mario Kart
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,345
The only nearby room is there on the official website, but you also need to have NSO and connected online (the host) to play with multiple Switches locally.

The reason why there's no multiplayer in a single console is because every player needs to have their own screen and split screen would be too small.

Check this for more info: https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...uirements-and-multiplayer-limitations.117196/
I've seen your thread, thank you. It compiles current state of information mixed with some sensible speculation opinions, but it doesn't cover your opinion on the messaging being clear or the speculation parts being separate from the information parts. For instance, where does Nintendo state split-screen would be too small? As far as I'm aware that's just your speculation, that may or may not be the actual reasoning behind lack of such feature - especially since the argument rings hollow to me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,921
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
There's at least one more unannounced style.

Now, i'll return you to your regularly scheduled freakout.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,580
Costa Rica
I've seen your thread, thank you. It compiles current state of information mixed with some sensible speculation opinions, but it doesn't cover your opinion on the messaging being clear or the speculation parts being separate from the information parts. For instance, where does Nintendo state split-screen would be too small? As far as I'm aware that's just your speculation, that may or may not be the actual reasoning behind lack of such feature - especially since the argument rings hollow to me.
That's my speculation, that's why it's not in the thread.

Everything on the thread is already confirmed from the website.
 
Dec 5, 2017
1,874
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
I mean, really? Do you lack any sort of critical thinking ability? I sure hope you just woke up or something because all of that is easy to see why it is as it is.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,804
Super Mario 3D World mode... But not actually in 3D.

Super Mario 3D World is enhanced over the other modes, but they didn't think to do the same with Super Mario Bros 2 which has been requested since the first game.

Online multiplayer... But no local multiplayer except for with multiple Switch systems.

It continues to amaze me how Nintendo continues to be so tone-deaf when it comes to decision-making.
You thought there was going to be a 3D game inside of Mario Maker 2? I don't think the problem here is with Nintendo...
 
Oct 31, 2017
2,278
Local multiplayer seems okay with me; If I'm getting my ass kicked, I'll pass you my controller, like the original. Local multiplayer on one screen wasn't really expected.

Also anyone who has played NSMBU/Luigi U, knows that the local multiplayer in that game is barely worth playing. If one person goes to far the other becomes a bubble and.. it's wack
You thought there was going to be a 3D game inside of Mario Maker 2? I don't think the problem here is with Nintendo...
That post makes no sense.