If they can't do it directly I'm sure you could rig a device where them jumping triggers a shell to hit the block and reset the shells position, or do it with a muncherSo (spiny) Skipsqueaksnow jump when you jump.
It'd be awesome if they could activate blocks including on/off blocks.
Then you could essentially recreate the Red-Blue Panels from Galaxy/3D Land/3D World that swap whenever you jump.
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Super Mario Maker 2 Direct (May 15 at 3 p.m. PT / 6 p.m, 15 minutes) [See threadmark]
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Wii U levels were short and not that good. Not worth playing really. Haven't played the 3DS version.
I'd be very surprised tbh. The part of the direct where they show off the online menus pretty clearly doesn't give an option for connecting to friends.
Maybe they'll patch it in if it's a highly requested feature...
I never was any good doing those complex mechanisms in Mario Maker 1. Munchers could activate blocks?
I caught up on this a bit late today due to a prior conflict, but I've pored over the video and read through this thread, and I am just so overwhelmed.
Still, a few things I want to talk about that people don't seem to be discussing at all:
1. Scroll stop. Nobody's talking about this! Do you know what a big deal this is? On my own courses I had to leave considerable space to isolate areas and keep them out of view, as did anyone who used the old horizontal layout to create pseudo-vertical climbing courses (which I'm sure will still be around if the new vertical layouts are restricted to sub-zones) or multi-room puzzle stages. But the biggest impact of all will be on control over despawning distances. It will now be possible to build boss arenas or contraption rooms wider because you can set a hard scrolling boundary on either side. Despawning bugs were always a massive pain for ambitious designs with lots of moving parts, and this considerably enhances the toolkit for keeping them under control.
2. Post-completion notes and comments. Not that random strangers ever play anything twice, but on the "Post a Comment" screen, notice the checkbox labelled "Require course clear to view". I'm elated to have comments/annotations back (along with a creator description that you can use to give a hint, synopsis, or optional objective right from the course selection screen), because of the power it gives you to enhance your own creations by communicating unconventional mechanics or introducing narrative material. But this adds a whole other level: it allows players to comment on particulars without spoiling a solution for newcomers, and if you're annotating your own work as a course creator, you could even include something like a "developer commentary" for returning players.
3. Dry Bones Shell. Since Mario wears this below instead of above, in the same manner as Kuribo's Shoe, I wonder if it will be possible to wear the Dry Bones shell on the bottom and a Spiny/Buzzy hat on top (again, like the existing combinations with the boot) and what the priority will be when you take damage (currently, the boot goes first). This is one of the first things I want to test with the new item. I also wonder if its interaction with lava is specific to the Castle theme (where lava replaces bottomless pits) or if it will also work as a flotation device on water stages. It looks like it works with rising and falling lava, though, so I don't see why its interaction with water wouldn't be the same.
4. Clear conditions look optional. Or are they? Can you still reach the goal the standard way without them, and does it count? If so, an open question: are they separately tracked or timed, and will we be able to see a separate completion rate for them? I'm excited to play with these, because if they are optional, they essentially create a built-in hard mode for every single course you build (a no-hit run, for instance), without having to take up two upload spots. Conditions like "reach the goal with this item" finally give us something to do with pink coin objectives scattered throughout the course that unlock a bonus door at the end. And although we haven't seen it yet, the condition I really want to see here is a no-checkpoint run.
5. Search by difficulty. Notice how there's a difficulty selection and a "sort by clear rate". Speculatively, by using both of these at once, you could look for something tagged as Expert (for instance) and sort by clear rate, lowest first, to pick courses of an appropriate difficulty for yourself that still filter out Super Expert. In SMM1, the Easy/Normal/Expert/Super Expert designation actually isn't based on clear rate, as far as I can tell. Clear rate is based on "clears per total attempts" (successful clears over total lives); from what I've observed, the difficulty designation is based instead on "percentage of players cleared" (successful players over total players). I personally don't know if I'll get that much use of the in-game discovery features, as I always found in SMM1 that the very best experience came from browsing communities and recommendations outside of the game, but I think the fine-tuning in SMM2 could produce some quality results.
These are just some scrappy initial impressions; I'll jot more down as I think of them.
Still, a few things I want to talk about that people don't seem to be discussing at all:
1. Scroll stop. Nobody's talking about this! Do you know what a big deal this is? On my own courses I had to leave considerable space to isolate areas and keep them out of view, as did anyone who used the old horizontal layout to create pseudo-vertical climbing courses (which I'm sure will still be around if the new vertical layouts are restricted to sub-zones) or multi-room puzzle stages. But the biggest impact of all will be on control over despawning distances. It will now be possible to build boss arenas or contraption rooms wider because you can set a hard scrolling boundary on either side. Despawning bugs were always a massive pain for ambitious designs with lots of moving parts, and this considerably enhances the toolkit for keeping them under control.
2. Post-completion notes and comments. Not that random strangers ever play anything twice, but on the "Post a Comment" screen, notice the checkbox labelled "Require course clear to view". I'm elated to have comments/annotations back (along with a creator description that you can use to give a hint, synopsis, or optional objective right from the course selection screen), because of the power it gives you to enhance your own creations by communicating unconventional mechanics or introducing narrative material. But this adds a whole other level: it allows players to comment on particulars without spoiling a solution for newcomers, and if you're annotating your own work as a course creator, you could even include something like a "developer commentary" for returning players.
3. Dry Bones Shell. Since Mario wears this below instead of above, in the same manner as Kuribo's Shoe, I wonder if it will be possible to wear the Dry Bones shell on the bottom and a Spiny/Buzzy hat on top (again, like the existing combinations with the boot) and what the priority will be when you take damage (currently, the boot goes first). This is one of the first things I want to test with the new item. I also wonder if its interaction with lava is specific to the Castle theme (where lava replaces bottomless pits) or if it will also work as a flotation device on water stages. It looks like it works with rising and falling lava, though, so I don't see why its interaction with water wouldn't be the same.
4. Clear conditions look optional. Or are they? Can you still reach the goal the standard way without them, and does it count? If so, an open question: are they separately tracked or timed, and will we be able to see a separate completion rate for them? I'm excited to play with these, because if they are optional, they essentially create a built-in hard mode for every single course you build (a no-hit run, for instance), without having to take up two upload spots. Conditions like "reach the goal with this item" finally give us something to do with pink coin objectives scattered throughout the course that unlock a bonus door at the end. And although we haven't seen it yet, the condition I really want to see here is a no-checkpoint run.
5. Search by difficulty. Notice how there's a difficulty selection and a "sort by clear rate". Speculatively, by using both of these at once, you could look for something tagged as Expert (for instance) and sort by clear rate, lowest first, to pick courses of an appropriate difficulty for yourself that still filter out Super Expert. In SMM1, the Easy/Normal/Expert/Super Expert designation actually isn't based on clear rate, as far as I can tell. Clear rate is based on "clears per total attempts" (successful clears over total lives); from what I've observed, the difficulty designation is based instead on "percentage of players cleared" (successful players over total players). I personally don't know if I'll get that much use of the in-game discovery features, as I always found in SMM1 that the very best experience came from browsing communities and recommendations outside of the game, but I think the fine-tuning in SMM2 could produce some quality results.
These are just some scrappy initial impressions; I'll jot more down as I think of them.
I was not excited for MM2.
But this looks insane. Story mode and Competitive multiplayer? Ok. I'm in.
But this looks insane. Story mode and Competitive multiplayer? Ok. I'm in.
Easily the greatest requirement they put in. It was like that at launch for the first one as well.
With checkpoints you even have to beat the level without respawning at checkpoints and then beat the level again from each checkpoint starting place.
The absolute longest a level could take is just under 800 seconds because of that.
Edit: QuixoticNeutral check the trailer again because they show mario riding in a dry bone shell on lava while breaking stuff with a spiny hat :)
To get to the champion ship levels you had to beat all the other premade ("sample") levels in 10 Mario Challenge
I wonder what other.... well, story.... is in story mode?
Do we think Bowser will show up at the end for a final boss? You'll have to challenge him and he'll pay coins to help you rebuild or what? lol
It's just curious that they called it Story Mode to me, very un-Nintendo. Would've expected "Castle Builder" or something
Do we think Bowser will show up at the end for a final boss? You'll have to challenge him and he'll pay coins to help you rebuild or what? lol
It's just curious that they called it Story Mode to me, very un-Nintendo. Would've expected "Castle Builder" or something
Y'all going physical or digital?
i keep wondering if it might be a retailer exclusive. But st this point I've almost given up hope.
Scroll stop is the biggest damn addition they showed.
Also Mary O. better show up in Story mode.
Also Mary O. better show up in Story mode.
The 3DS Nintendo levels were good. I spent 100s of hours on the Wii U version and I don't even remember that one having any Nintendo levels lol, I'm guessing they weren't memorable?
I think the MM2 ones will be good, story mode sounds awesome and the costume unlocks etc will give me heaps of stuff to play for which I LOVE! But by the sounds of it a lot of the levels will be based purely on 'look at what you can do in this game' type stuff showing off a feature or gimmick. Still should be fun though.
I think the MM2 ones will be good, story mode sounds awesome and the costume unlocks etc will give me heaps of stuff to play for which I LOVE! But by the sounds of it a lot of the levels will be based purely on 'look at what you can do in this game' type stuff showing off a feature or gimmick. Still should be fun though.
I am reasonably sure it's not optional Like we see the end goal activate only once the goal is met, I think
May need to rewatch
Thanks—there's just so much going on all over the place that I didn't even pick up on that, even though it was right in front of me.
One more thing, now that I'm looking over the multiplayer segment again: instant respawns in Multiplayer Versus. (They look pretty quick, anyway.) No downtime for dying and retrying. It's going to make such a big difference to the flow of the game, and if standard single-player still works the old way, this is actually a strong incentive to play multiplayer instead as the best point of contact with the nonsense of the random queue.
I think the 3DS levels are pretty good. Certainly rely on gimmicks as each world gives you building elements when you beat the level set. I think there were 18 worlds. What was so great about the levels is two challenges that could be pretty difficult that added a lot of replay value to the levels. Hopefully they add something like that to story mode.
They're not. In the multiplayer vs. section, you can see a castle level where the axe is grayed out until someone defeats Bowser.
There's some really interesting conditions though, like don't touch the ground after leaving it. Even some of the more mundane ones look like they can greatly simplify anti-cheese for puzzle levels.
Hopefully a toggle, since I still want the original checkpoint functionality for SMW/NSMBU.
A 3D model for Mary O.? Crazy.
Some good points there, hopefully it works out that way.
Yes, now that I look at this carefully again, it looks like you're right about this. I actually wish this were available both ways, but even so, the clear conditions create some interesting situations—for example, courses that give you a power-up right at the start, but don't allow you to take a hit. Let's say you have a level where you absolutely need a Fire Flower to get anywhere at all; now you don't need to waste the player's time if they take a hit and find it impossible to continue without deliberately dying or restarting.
That's exactly how I felt before the direct, I was hoping they would sell me on it and they did
I could put a lot of hrs into online competitive Mario, and def doing the story mode it's basically a new single player 2d mario
I don't think you could star a stage before beating it in the original, so maybe it works that way here too?
I always looked on the original as being creativity software as much as it was a game, if not more so. The idea of creativity software having "sequels" is weird to me. One may as well ask about the sequel to Photoshop.
Honestly looks amazing, I was surprised by how many new features the game has.
I'm still waiting to see if importing Mario Maker 1 stages is possible, though.
I'm still waiting to see if importing Mario Maker 1 stages is possible, though.
I cannot wait to see what Ross tortures Arin with this time. And for Jirard and Alex to play again hopefully. Also Dashie. Maybe Patrick Keplek can come back out of hiding and do his Mario Maker Mornings again. I don't even want to play the game. I just want to sink my eyeballs into as many YouTubers as possible.
Not surprised that the 3D World theme needs a complete reset. I guess it had to be done. But at least the other 4 themes will be swappable on the fly. But the stuff 3D World can do is gonna be amazing. Can't wait to see what themes everyone uses the most.
Not surprised that the 3D World theme needs a complete reset. I guess it had to be done. But at least the other 4 themes will be swappable on the fly. But the stuff 3D World can do is gonna be amazing. Can't wait to see what themes everyone uses the most.
Well, let's just hope they don't do that for dislikes.
Man, if the hypothetical unannounced style is SMB2 and, like the 3D World theme, requires a complete restart I wouldn't be surprised. But I want to see it so bad. We're getting our hopes up but I want it so badly. So much potential there. I can't really think of anything else it could be. And putting it in the "Other" section does imply that anything down there would require a fresh canvas to use for each one.
Yeah it's just where you store the levels you create or download from the Internet. It was in the previous games
If the newly added course description can be edited for a course that you have already uploaded, this could be useful for linking a level code for a new/updated version of the same level, or a challenge mode with a different completion condition. (You could always add this in a comment card, of course.)
I'm definitely excited for this. I had to leave so much space to keep the illusion of rooms. I mentioned earlier, but with the split multiplayer it could make for some crazy puzzles where everyone is in a separate room hitting different switches or some other crazy shit.
I could see a possibility of (free) DLC down the line to add a theme or two if not at launch. Guaranteed the game will have free feature updates like the original, it's not much if a stretch and would really excite people.
Actually you could star a stage without completing it but knowing how Nintendo handles things I'd be surprised if they allowed people to disliking a course without at least finishing it.
Saving it for the inevitable post release content?
They didn't announce that new features were coming for the original, and that'll probably be the case here too.
Might have been said already, but it looks like you can set whether the checkpoint flag makes you Super or not.