Yeah this is it. I have no doubt that Nintendo tried getting splitscreen to work but Mario Maker has so many moving parts that a screen solution for each player was most likely the only way to go.
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Super Mario Maker 2: Switch Online requirements and multiplayer limitations
- Thread starter Atheerios
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I have a sub from Amazon prime already. That deal is good for people that like digital that is not me. I am tempted to use it as Animal Crossing NL was the only retail game I bought digital on my 3DS. Still does not change that things like leader boards and created content are paywalled.
It might have worked anyway, but Nintendo is also big on having a single ideal setup over having options.
I hope they bring back battle modes/rules or some shit from NSMB DS.
They never brought it back like it was in that game and it was fucking great.
But even ignoring the voucher deal they have that physical SMM2 bundle with the 1 year NSO sub for $69.99. $10 is worth it for NES alone.
The different Switches is probably to prevent lag.
Not sure why we need Switch Online to play multiplayer locally though.
Not sure why we need Switch Online to play multiplayer locally though.
I thought multiplayer had you pull courses from the online catalogue.
Finally freaking online coop... i wish this was in U deluxe, i would have bought it if it was there
they better continue to include this from now on...
they better continue to include this from now on...
There is no local MP. As has been theorized this is because the game allows players to be in different parts of the level off screen.
Given that Super Mario Maker 2 now has win conditions for beating levels (like collecting coins/beating enemies/having a powerup etc), and that the Mario Maker community is an exceptionally creative bunch, I have no doubt in my mind that some crafty people are gonna make good "versus maps" for people to duke it out.
Yeah, that's true, i would just like to see it implemented in an official way
I have to agree. NSO definitely needs more features and a full execution of the launch "promised" features but it is so cheap I don't really mind at this point. Super Mario Maker 2 is so packed to the gills I am incredibly excited.
Like i said, i don't even have the switch ritgh now. We're talking about a 370 spending minimun here, in my case. 400+ if a i want to take this deal. Like i said, mario maker is about the only game ritgh now that i'm interested, so i'm not to eager on buying a console and subscribing know i have to use before the year is over.
Wait wait wait... One of the solely reasons I was buying this was because I wanted to play courses with my GF, at the same time (like New Super Mario Bros U), and we can't? What? Why?
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What the fuck?
Well, let's say you just want the game and the console. $360 plus tax.
You're really sweating that extra $10 at that point?
Look at it this way: you'll have like 40-50 NES games to play on Day 1, including the 4 NES Mario games. You'll want for nothing.
JoyCon limitations are just for course-building.
You (probably) can't play local co-op because the game allows players to be in different parts of the course at the same time.
I actually see that as an upgrade over NSMBU
I've played 4 player splitscreen Sonic Mania races. Its doable.
Oh well. One complaint out of a sea of goodness for this game I guess.
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As others have speculated in the thread, that's probably because as there is a competitive mode you want every player to be able to move freely and splitscreen would be too small for a platformer.
I don't live in north america or europe, so these prices are triple the value in my country.
And to be honest, i had more fun with mario maker than any of the original mario bros games, so i would be wasting my time playing that instead of mario maker itself. I alreadly have too many games to play, so i ony have time for the best ones, and none of the nes games are on that list...
That much I understand but why not implement a couch co-op mode for offline play similar to NSMBU? Seems like a miss opportunity to me.
Still, I had a lot of fun back in 2015 with my friends sharing the controller to see who could complete the most insane levels. Figure I'll play this one like that.
Ok well it sounds like Nintendo Switch Online doesn't really have much to do with why you aren't buying a Switch right now.
I'm figuring it's because couch mp 2D Mario games use screen zooming and the bubble to facilitate freedom of movement for all players. Those two mechanics could subvert player stage designs if implemented in this game, but aren't necessary when every player has their own screen to work with.
I still think they ought to let players create couch co-op specific stages at some point. a tag for stages designed specifically for couch/wireless play. and include screen zoom and bubble within stages tagged as such
Yeah, I had already lost interest in the game in the prior to the direct due to the pay wall bullshit, this doesn't compel me to change my mind and pre-order the game. I don't believe in paying more money just to get the full package of the game and story mode doesn't sound like a meaty package to justify buying the game.
I fucking hate how Nintendo jumped in with the on-line paywall crap.
I fucking hate how Nintendo jumped in with the on-line paywall crap.
So do we know how the $70 NSO edition and vouchers interact yet? (e.g. lets you pay $10 extra, doesn't work at all, etc.)
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It doesn't clear up confusion. It adds to it.
What is the fun in making a level together if you can't play it together? My GF and I were going to buy this, as she is just getting into Mario and we've been looking for a game to co-op or enjoy on the same tv.
It's baffling to me that they wouldn't even include a basic 2-player mode like every other Mario has had since the 80's.
There's still time to show it I guess, but I'm profoundly disappointed.
What is the fun in making a level together if you can't play it together? My GF and I were going to buy this, as she is just getting into Mario and we've been looking for a game to co-op or enjoy on the same tv.
It's baffling to me that they wouldn't even include a basic 2-player mode like every other Mario has had since the 80's.
There's still time to show it I guess, but I'm profoundly disappointed.
Please let it be true. My entire purchase hinges on that decision
I don't think local play requires NSO unless you're picking courses from the Course World. If you're playing from the Coursebot, where your offline courses should be, it should be offline, I think.
Why would people think you don't need the NSO to use online features. What games on PS4 and XB1 allow you to do that?
Wait, if multiplayer is always split up between multiple switches because users can see their own section of the map, then that means...holy shit there could be some crazy multiplayer levels. You could require everyone to go in their own isolated room to asynchronously solve puzzles. You could have players controlling switches on one section while others are running through the map. There's a lot of potential there I wasn't really thinking about when watching that video.
The direct didn't explicitly state you couldn't play multiplayer locally. But it also didn't state you could do so either. It's really lame we don't have a direct answer to this question. I'm still holding out hope that we can.
As long as I don't need a NSO sub to create courses and play them locally, including the story mode, I'm good.
Online won't last forever, and it'll mostly be joke kaizo levels anyway.
Online won't last forever, and it'll mostly be joke kaizo levels anyway.
Oh they are only offering the 69.99 deal digitally? I guess getting the GCU discount and NSO afterwards will make the price the same anyway.
That's pretty much how it works on Smash's level editor, right?
Exactly its like 2019 lol how is it not included :/ that was thw thing i was lookin forward tocmost to play together with my sister or cousins.
I can understand the offline part, but not having local play on the same TV? Ughhhhhh.
Smash Ultimate does the exact same thing with Arenas, in that two or more people can't play a co-op session in Arena with others. Everyone needs their on Switch.
So frustrating.
I mean, it can be summed up a lot easier than OP has made it.
If you want to enjoy Mario Maker 2 the way you know you want to, than you will need a NSO subscription.
If you want to enjoy Mario Maker 2 the way you know you want to, than you will need a NSO subscription.
In 2019, there are a lot of multiplayer games with no local co-op. In fact, that's almost the norm. The same thing with online only games.