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Super Mario Maker 2: Switch Online requirements and multiplayer limitations
- Thread starter Atheerios
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Meanwhile, there's plenty to enjoy without needing NSO, too. Nintendo could have messed up, but they didn't. Thankfully.
Someone linked the Japanese website in the "main" thread and I pulled this text out of the website source code for most of the Japanese text rendered as images. Seems pretty likely the "one person needs to be online for local" thing is a hard requirement, I'm sad.
Though the "play with friends and family" on the internet sounds optimistic for online w/friends, which is always up in the air with Nintendo.
LittleBigPlanet 3 and Dreams don't require PS+ to share and play levels on the PS4. Only require PS+ for active online multiplayer sessions with other players.
So you cannot download other players levels without paying for online? Kinda BS.
LBP3 let you do that, it was just online playing with others that was blocked.
LBP3 let you do that, it was just online playing with others that was blocked.
I'm willing to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt with this one: having multiple players all go off screen would be insane and the bubble mechanic from the NSMB series has the potential to completely break some levels. At first I was of the opinion this was BS, but the more I think about it... it makes sense.
I'm not too sure about my feelings towards the fact I can't play the levels offline, though.
I'm not too sure about my feelings towards the fact I can't play the levels offline, though.
There's also probably the issue that user made levels can break the normal level convention of going left to right, so you can't make the camera just follow the one most to the right (yoshi crafted world has this issue with 2 players where sometime it just can't make its mind who its supposed to follow when one is going the opposite side of the other, which lessen the 2 player experience considerably when it happens since it's difficult to call in advance who is gonna be bubbled.)
No same Switch co-op/versus mode (beyond local building) is very disappointing.
That was a feature I was really expecting.
Maybe they want that feature to be exclusive to the NSMB game?
That was a feature I was really expecting.
Maybe they want that feature to be exclusive to the NSMB game?
Hey Nintendo, Families Want to Play Together and Nobody Owns Four Switches.
I'd rather have deals with extra discounts on games for NSO members than a $100 voucher to get two Nintendo games for $10 off, or no discount if you choose $50 games instead of $60 for whatever reason.
But it's not $60 a year... that's how they can supplement those additional discounts on other platforms
Those other platforms also don't allow you to buy first party games for $10 off on day one (why would anyone ever use the voucher for a $50 game? Don't buy vouchers until you have 2 games in mind...)
It's not perfect but this is better than where we were before with NSO.
Its these moments I truly miss download play. Most of my friends have switches, but I don't think I'll really be able to convince them to pick up their own copies of MM just to play multiplayer :( and most will arent interested enough to pick this up for the single player stuff.
Local play IS the "equivalent offline option," since every player needs their own individual screen for the type of competitive/cooperative gameplay they are going with (where two players can be in separate level areas simultaneously).
The screen thing is silly because they could have easily remedied that by having players pop into bubbles when they're off screen.
They can't afford to do deals for $20 a year but they can afford to do this? I'm not sure how your logic works here. They, and any other developer that puts their games on sale, could easily make their money back on increased sales with an extra 10% off on top of the normal sales. It doesn't cost anything put games on sale.
...why? How could it work any other way, outside of bringing back the "same screen" coop requirement with bubbles and whatnot?
"Ugh, Nintendo needs to get their heads out of their ass and start adding online multiplayer in their games. Nobody plays locally."
"Ugh, Nintendo needs to get their heads out of their ass and give us offline multiplayer. Nobody plays online."
Also, for anyone complaining about joy-cons only for co-op building.
"Ugh, Nintendo needs to get their heads out of their ass and give us offline multiplayer. Nobody plays online."
Also, for anyone complaining about joy-cons only for co-op building.
This actually makes sense. It probably would have been difficult to build a scaling camera in a Mario Maker game.
Well I'd say the difference here is that the vouchers are only for first party published games and, say, PS Plus discounts are available for third party games, on a weekly basis, with no upfront commitment of money.
Is anyone really saying that tho, or are you just making shit up?
I'm sure Nintendo could've figured out a way to make same screen local MP work, even if they needed to create another ruleset and restrictions for these courses to work. Oh well, the game's still going to be pretty damn amazing so I'll be there Day 1.
That would require zooming in and out which is not in SMM at all. Not to mention the bubble couldn't work in competitive modes. I also want single screen multiplayer but SMM functions completely differently from NSMB in regards to multiplayer.
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No, you can't. To access Course World you need a Nintendo Switch Online subscription.
You should still be able to play others levels without an NSO sub, that should be the baseline option. Online play etc I can see the justification.
The game is all about playing others peoples creations and creating your own. I know they need to leverage NSO subscriptions some how but this just seems like a bad call.
The game is all about playing others peoples creations and creating your own. I know they need to leverage NSO subscriptions some how but this just seems like a bad call.
It's not a bad call when people are going to buy the game and get the subscription
I hope they can give us a split-screen local multiplayer, if not at launch, then at some point. I don't want to buy a second Switch just to play this with my friend!
Not that simple, it's mostly arbitrary and varies by game. Bloodborne requires Plus to use every online feature, including chalice dungeon codes and messages on the ground. Dark Souls games also need Plus to see ground messages and shared events (e.g. bell ringing in your game when someone online rings it).
I just meant ethically. I know the sub is super cheap and most people who are complaining probably already have it anyway.
Multiplayer? No.
Level sharing? Absolutely, it's not multiplayer.
Level sharing shouldn't require a subscription but it's Nintendo so of course it does.
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This is only somewhat related, but I am very, very tempted to order those NES controllers they have available for Switch to play Mario Maker with...