Captain Toad first appeared in Super Mario Galaxy, which was released in 2007. How is he an "old" character?
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Captain Toad first appeared in Super Mario Galaxy, which was released in 2007. How is he an "old" character?
2007 is 11 years ago, how old does something have to be to be considered old? A decade old character isn't old?
That was 11, almost 12 years ago though. So depends on your definition of old really.
The youngest folk in this thread would have been 6 then lol.
Friend Cybersai, I appreciate your desire for our long deserved DK reps and the good Captain Toad, but I fear you may set yourself up for disappointment* with this constant need for reassurance in their arrival, unfortunately all we can do is wait and hope papa sakurai saw all the comments about "boy this DKC stuff is pretty barebones" alongside the "give us a hazard toggle!" ones.
*source: myself hoping for Dixie and/or Rool for the last two smash games
*source: myself hoping for Dixie and/or Rool for the last two smash games
In the context of Smash? Not really. We still haven't gotten an SNES rep as our "Retro" character yet.
I get the feeling, I suffered through "The Great Ridley trauma of 2014" when Smash Wii-U came out. We were so sure he'd get in that time, many of us had mental breakdowns back then.
But this time around I'm confident Dixie and K. Rool will make it in. If Ridley got in, now is this time.
Captain Toad is right on the cusp of "modern" and "established." I think. The fact he's kind of a reestablishment of the original "Red Toad" pushes him into old school for me.
Dixie, for me, are the last major Nintendo characters not playable in Smash. And even Toad I'm not so sure on.
Dixie, for me, are the last major Nintendo characters not playable in Smash. And even Toad I'm not so sure on.
NES characters are always retro because that's what people think of, and Sakurai is 40+ years old so he grew up with the NES in his childhood.
SNES reps would obviously be Dixie and K. Rool now anyway, so there's your reps. 2007 is literally 11 years ago, some people here were only kids when Mario Galaxy came out. I mean I was already over 20 at the time, but even I consider it old.
That's not the argument I made though. I just said that the particular cutscene is creepy, which it undeniably is.
My argument is that she's a terrible character who doesn't have nearly as much importance to the series as Falco does (since we were talking about who between the two should have been in as the supporting character to Fox).
I think we should discuss Nintendo eras based on who was President of the company at the time.
Yamauchi for Retro. This takes us from before they entered the video game industry to the launch of the Gameboy Advance and the Gamecube.
Iwata for Recent. Most of the Gamecube and GBA up to the 3DS and Wii U.
Kimishima/Furukawa for Modern.
Yamauchi for Retro. This takes us from before they entered the video game industry to the launch of the Gameboy Advance and the Gamecube.
Iwata for Recent. Most of the Gamecube and GBA up to the 3DS and Wii U.
Kimishima/Furukawa for Modern.
I want to believe, I really do.
On paper the combo of following up on the ballot (for K.Rool) and games of relevance in the project plan timeframe (Tropical Freeze which ultimately missed Smash 4's only getting a sprinkle of its early content dipped in as trophies/music) should mean good things.
I guess though I'm taking Sakurai's "don't expect too many newcomers" at a low value in which case we'd be lucky to get one of the pair. not that they have much else to pluck from at this point mind you.
Ridley is a good first step though, he was always right behind those two for me.
Apparently, there was some issue including Rare characters back when Rare still existed. I think there was a message Sakurai posted answering fan questions in the original SSB side where he outright said that Rare characters were out of reach.
I'm partial to CD-i Link. Call him "Weird Link". Do a parody of the Ridley video with all three Links walking across the Bridge of Eldin. Then he takes them out one by one, and then BOTW Link sighs and turns around. Then Weird Link crashes through, twirling a Waluigi hat with a troll face.
I think a Hilda echo might happen due to some other details (obvious color skipped, Zelda's personality is more cheery than in the original games, which could work to contrast with her). An unique character does seem extremely unlikely though.
Double Dash, Mushroomt Tour, World Tour, Power Tennis, Mario Hoops, super baseball (with dixie!)
There were the 3 GBA ports of the DKC games, too
and he was in some other stuff lined up for 2007 like his racing remake, strikers charged (surprisinglny not in the first one) and so on
Compared with his other DKC co-stars he did pretty well for himself
Anything's possible, but I'm not inclined to think we'll get a lot of echo characters that just appeared in one game. Yes, that was true for Dark Pit and (at the time) Lucina, but both of them were alt costumes that they gave a little boost to late in development, not added with the intention of them being echos.
Granted all we have to go off of is Daisy being the only new echo right now, but still.
A Ravio alt colour would actually work really well with the Tunic of the Wild. The Smash Wii U textures in that style don't quite fit due to the TP tunic, but the new version would suit it quite well, with a striped undershirt to fit the scarf's colour scheme.
I guess it could happen, but compared to other candidates Hilda seems really minor for even an echo - you could compare her to Dark Pit, but the latter was a more prominent playable character, and being in only one game is less of a factor in Kid Icarus compared to Zelda. Daisy by comparison has a long history of being the derivative Peach clone, and while Dark Samus is also pretty insignificant in the scheme of things, she at least got to be a trilogy antagonist with 2.5 final boss appearances.
He could fight using the stuff he rents out like rods and a hammer.
I'm kidding, I'd love to see Ravio or anyone from Zelda really.
imo the most ideal scenario would have been Midna, Tingle and Impa as Sheik clone, but the former is definitely out, and Tingle doesn't seem very likely either. Impa's still on the cards tho - especially with the change to Sheik's final smash, changing it from something Zelda-specific to something that any Sheikah warrior could use.
Shame Hilda is quite unlikely though.
Shame Hilda is quite unlikely though.
Imagine being a Japanese player and running into discussions where folks are like "this character isn't relevant in the west, therefore they won't make it in"
Basically the reverse of the "x character isn't relevant in Japan" discussions we run into
Also damn, we're basically the reason why Takamaru and Ayumi Tachibana aren't in Smash Bros
Really makes you think
Basically the reverse of the "x character isn't relevant in Japan" discussions we run into
Also damn, we're basically the reason why Takamaru and Ayumi Tachibana aren't in Smash Bros
Really makes you think
So, what's the latest rumors? Something about an "Ihman" dude saying stuff?
Actually, I based my leak off Spainkiller's, not the other way around---I thought his claim about the four extra characters sounded legit so I worked it into a more elaborate leak.
That could still be true for all I know.
Actually, I based my leak off Spainkiller's, not the other way around---I thought his claim about the four extra characters sounded legit so I worked it into a more elaborate leak.
That could still be true for all I know.
The most important piece of content from Hyrule Warriors is legally okay to use, however - Toon Link's Niko recolour.
...A shame they didn't go ahead and do it.
We don't need any Zelda character.
Zelda has 3 main characters and has 6 characters in Smash Bros already. It's completely fine.
Zelda has 3 main characters and has 6 characters in Smash Bros already. It's completely fine.
Sure. Means they've got a decent chance, but they're not at all guaranteed. A the same time, you're right that Toad is an A-lister even now, and Dixie can be argued too. K. Rool though isn't anymore. But it's true he possibly did well on the ballot.
Honestly, while getting 2 DK characters makes sense, I legit expect only one.
I'm not going to expect Lana or Linkle are playable, but I'll be disappointed if none of the Hyrule Warriors OCs make it into the game as at least trophies.
No Zelda only has 4 reps. Technically only 3 if Ganondorf doesn't count.
They got Fire Emblem in the game before the franchise left Japan and hit it big. And they got Lucas.
We did get Little Mac (and possibly Ridley) as a trade-off.
You're making arbritary rules. Zelda has 6 characters and that's it, it's a lot for a series with 3 main characters. Toon Link doesn't even play like Link and Ganondorf is as much a clone as Falco is.
Despite joking around, I do agree that Zelda is well represented as a series. Pretty much every other character is one-off or minor.
The issue is that they're co-owned by Koei, so they're basically third party.
And doesn't have anything that resembles a consistent look.
Even if Punch-Out!! and Metroid aren't as popular in Japan, they at least got released.
We've had third party trophies before and Nintendo have a good relationship with Koei. It's just a matter of whether Sakuari wants to go through all the legal work for a few trophies and maybe an assist trophy and music. And I hope he does because HW music would be rad.
I'm surprised we never saw Diddy Kong on any planned or scrapped character lists for Melee. Maybe being a Rare creation combined with the rapid development of Melee put him on the backburner.
Hyrule Warriors has the best Impa and would be the only Impa worth putting in the game as she actually fights rather than just saying she can, then proceeding to disappear for the rest of the game or barely being able to hold Girahim off for a minute
and thus would not happen.
i can;t see her getting in
Do we know if they're actually co-owned, or fully owned by Nintendo? Just because the team created them, doesn't mean they have rights to the design. It's like Sora being fully owned by Disney i.e.
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