I'm aware of that. But Smash 4 did have a Fatal Frame II trophy, so it's not like their being KT characters makes it impossible.
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Development Thread | News, Site Updates, and Speculation
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Didn't most japanese people not even know who little mac was?
We don't really know their ownership
and i do not think it matters who owns them in this case
Only one, unless it's K.rool and a dixie echo. Like Ridley and a dark samus echo.
hypothetically, what would be the issue with sticking in SS Impa with ninja and sword attacks
It's not like she won't fit in with the other Zelda characters, and not having any moves hasn't stopped Sakurai before
It's not like she won't fit in with the other Zelda characters, and not having any moves hasn't stopped Sakurai before
Again, it at least got a release, Punch-Out!! Wii by Next Level Games got released in Japan two months after North America.
Nintendo is a japanese company, so it doesn't tells much.
Smash 4's choices were clearly aimed at the west (Little Mac, Duck Hunt, even the third party choices), while japanese fan favorites didn't get in.
Both Nintendo and Koei are listed as copyright holders for Hyrule Warriors, without any annotation about Nintendo owning the characters unlike Pokemon.
Little mac was the only blatant one. Duck hunt sort of, but that was the retro character. Wouldn't Rosalina, palutena, the FE characters, and greninja all be japanese ones?
Sure, but Punch-Out!! isn't remembered in Japan like it is in the west. Before Punch-Out!! on Wii, the most notable appearance by Little Mac in Japan was in Captain Rainbow, where he was a joke (like everything else in the game).
Geninja so far as I know was never a top requested character like, anywhere, and I'm not sure on the other FE characters but the overall Japanese reaction to Corrin was just as much of a "Why" as everywhere else. In fact, Corrin's inclusion seems to have more to do with advertising Fates' upcoming (at the time) release in the West than it being for the Japanese audience (Fates had been out for months there by the time of his reveal).
They're just more worldwide ones. Although all of those games actually sold more in the West than Japan by itself.
Not really? Duck Hunt is a retro pick, but very western aimed, even more when there are several Famicom characters more requested. All these other characters are popular everywhere.
I remember people translated japanese comments before about the roster picks and their complaints:
From: https://legendsoflocalization.com/what-do-japanese-fans-think-of-cloud-in-super-smash-bros/
Oh, I'm not denying that, it's just that I think it might be harder to do the whole Marth and Roy thing (Lucas too, but he is connected to Earthbound, which had Ness already), than to use some less popular picks that still got releases. Believe me, I think the more obscure picks can renew interest in franchises and would always encourage it.
Rosalina is a major Mario character that's stuck around long after the Galaxy series, and given that Sakurai worked on Kid Icarus: Uprising, he could have easily had his own interest in including Palutena. Especially since the game goes to the effort of continuing Palutena's Uprising-style trolling with her guidance conversations.
The article says that most people liked him, but some fans there had a recurring thing saying Sakurai had a western bias with Smash 4 picks (they made the same comments for Greninja).
Also, liking a character =/= wanting him in Smash. I like several third party characters and I don't want them in Smash.
Sure, but that's operating under the assumption Dark Samus it definitely going to be an echo, when nothing proves that it is (though it doesn't mean it isn't unlikely however since there is some circumstantial evidence that could suggest Dark Samus will be an echo). Regardless, I can't assume something that isn't really confirmed or guaranteed, but yeah, in the event Dixie were to become an echo I could see K. Rool get in. I don't see her being an echo, but it's possible. I'm just expecting only one DK newcomer.
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Only ever cared for the HW iteration and she's probably never getting in
Broke: Ridley is never getting in.
Woke: Smash Ultimate will have so many new Metroid reps (Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, Anthony Higgs, SA-X, Federation Force Trooper, MB, that Armstrong Houston asshole from that Nintendo Power comic) that people will complain even more than they do about Fire Emblem representation.
Woke: Smash Ultimate will have so many new Metroid reps (Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, Anthony Higgs, SA-X, Federation Force Trooper, MB, that Armstrong Houston asshole from that Nintendo Power comic) that people will complain even more than they do about Fire Emblem representation.
Agreed. SS is great and Impa is cool, but she isn't high priority at all being mostly a minor character and only she and Tingle (disliked by people here) are the other recurring characters in Zelda.
Yep, it's pretty clear Sakurai isn't budging. It's actually interesting how some teams embrace Smash bros (like Kirby going on to implement some of the Smash redesigns and Fire Emblem Fates outright referencing Smash Bros as a parallel world when using the Amiibo characters, as well as not giving Marth his shield in modern appearances) while others ignore it completely.
We know that there aren't custom moves though. That was confirmed after the presentation. The Miis are still a question mark (since they've been seen using multiple customs and the video said nothing about merging their specials unlike Palutena), but we probably won't see anyone else with them.
I tend to lump Impa in with Captain Toad and Bandana Dee in that there are just way too many characters that they'd prioritize first (to be fair Captain Toad at least stands out as having his own games). Obviously Smash 4's newcomers focused heavily on characters from brand new games and characters from unrepresented franchises and it's not hard to understand why Sakurai is keen on taking that direction these days - if you're putting budget and man-power into creating a newcomer from scratch, then the majority of the time you'd want it to be a character who's going to do something to broaden the audience (I remember tons of Mega Man, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy and Bayonetta fans turning their heads when their characters were confirmed for Smash). I think anyone who's desperately hoping for these kinds of recurring side characters to be added is pretty much guaranteed to be buying the game regardless.
I can understand what you're thinking. By that logic, Sakurai would only be adding third party characters. As it stands, the roster casts a pretty wide net across multiple genres. Maybe the rhythm game genre isn't really covered yet (& we came close to getting one with the Rhythm Heaven rep in Smash Wii U/3DS) and maybe fighting games (outside of Street Fighter), but we have a ton of genres already covered in Smash.
They didn't suck, but man, unlocking them one-by-one & there being a chance of repeats was a damn slog.
Oh it was? In the treehouse or...?
uh why?
the way they were unlocked was too long.
But the moves themselves were fine.
Reminds of the whole "more options is bad" you see on Era....
the idea is very fun, but impractical
it's basically like every character having two echoes
Not to mention not having a good way of setting them up before a fight.
Just kinda slapdash all around.
Skyward Sword is an amazing game with great dungeons and some of the strongest story and characters in the series.
I do not understand why you could get repeat custom moves. Getting a custom move at all was already a crapshoot because they were in the "customization" umbrella alongside EVERYTHING ELSE, so the fact you could just have the game shrug and give you a ton of repeats was just awful.
Only the Wii Punch-Out got a normal release. The NES one was a contest prize and SNES one you had to have written onto a rewriteable cartridge.
yeah, needed a simple menu in the character slect screen to choose your customs.
the implementation of them was horrible.
But that should make people want better implementation, not remove the concept.
plus the DLC characters from last game need some customs.
Remember how you couldn't transfer over your save from the 3DS to Wii U so you had to obtain both custom moves and characters again... Man that was bullshit.
The moves themselves were certainly not "fine". They were just awkward janky variations of regular moves that were often poorly designed and poorly balanced.
Part of the appeal of Smash is seeing all these characters show up and reference stuff from their games in their movesets. Mega Man and Palutena were fine in this regard because their customs were actually based on shit from their respective games, but who honestly wants to see Donkey Kong suddenly have airbending powers or Mario throwing fireballs straight forward?
Part of the appeal of Smash is seeing all these characters show up and reference stuff from their games in their movesets. Mega Man and Palutena were fine in this regard because their customs were actually based on shit from their respective games, but who honestly wants to see Donkey Kong suddenly have airbending powers or Mario throwing fireballs straight forward?
Custom moves summarised
- Fast version of move
- Slow version of move
- Silly version of move
Unless you were Mega Man, Palutena and maaaaaaybe Samus.
- Fast version of move
- Slow version of move
- Silly version of move
Unless you were Mega Man, Palutena and maaaaaaybe Samus.
don't forget the version of the move directly referencing a cut character
Might have to refresh my memory here, was this Ness having Lucas like customs?
yep
they're kind of fun to play around with for a few minutes, but I'd much rather have seen that energy go to, say, turning Alph into a separate character
There's so many examples of characters having attacks that don't reference anything from their games in their base movesets, haha.
Execution was terrible, but not really because they weren't always references.
Fox had some of Wolf's moves as well, if i remember correctly.
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