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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 10 | Greetings SmashEra! Nothing to report!
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Don't judge me.
I'm only mad that we got Chrom instead of Kumatora or Tetra.
Pretty sure a big part of Chrom making it in was his model in Robin's Final Smash, which also explains why he looks kind of low quality.
If you say that you understand what's the issue in the first place. To many Zelda fans the Ganondorf in Smash just doesn't feel like Ganondorf, and yet he's there basically stopping us from getting an actual Zelda character. I liked his inclusion in Melee because I understood he was just a cool extra, but the fact that his inclusion became handcuffs tying all subsequent games to preserve him is just a huge mistake.
Smash Ganondorf is essentially a Waluigi (Multiplayer character fodder) and yet he has priority over the actual final boss people remember.
If you say that you understand what's the issue in the first place. To many Zelda fans the Ganondorf in Smash just doesn't feel like Ganondorf, and yet he's there basically stopping us from getting an actual Zelda character. I liked his inclusion in Melee because I understood he was just a cool extra, but the fact that his inclusion became handcuffs tying all subsequent games to preserve him is just a huge mistake.
Smash Ganondorf is essentially a Waluigi (Multiplayer character fodder) and yet he has priority over the actual final boss people remember.
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I see the doom and gloom of "how could Smash possibly move on from Ultimate?!" has come back.
It'll be fine.
It'll be fine.
They brought Back Ocarina of Time Ganondorf.
he's now perfect. Tho I wouldn't mind an Alt for his twilight Princess look. Even if I don't care for that design.
he's now perfect. Tho I wouldn't mind an Alt for his twilight Princess look. Even if I don't care for that design.
Who would Tetra even be an echo of?
Would it be like one of those horrific SFM things where they drop her small model on Sheik's rigging and she moves like a stretched-out nightmare demon?
Huh. No wonder they were weirdly animated.
I still want Poke Floats 2, though! LET'S GO, BABY!
Tetra would echo Toon Link. I can already see her using Toon Link's new forward-Smash with that scimitar of hers.
A fourth Link and a third Zelda in one fell swoop? Bold move.
Can her final Smash involve a 9th Marth somehow
We're only allowed new Zelda characters if they're Link, Zelda or Ganondorf and Tetra's like two thirds of them.
Of course. Just think about how much chaos could be had with 32 toon links running around on stage at once
Yeah, most people always assumed Toon Link was an updated Young Link. And it's not like the other Zelda characters got the Ike treatment where their previous versions made it in as alternate models either.
I am routinely surprised they didn't make him a Toon Link echo, or vice versa.
It seems like the most obvious one.
And to this Zelda fan, one that has continued to play Ganondorf in Smash since Melee, the "Mage Ganondorf" overhaul that some desperately crave isn't really a thrilling prospect.
Smash's Ganondorf has been established for almost as long as the character himself. In-fact, Ganondorf has been in more Smash installments than actual Zelda games. He started out as a Falcon clone due to Melee's rushed development, and evolved to have his own distinct identity from both his base and his home series. It really gets tiring to see people, almost 20 years after his introduction to Smash, still upset over the inclusion "Falcondorf".
I get that people want him to be closer to his canon "appearances" (and by that, I mean most people just want OoT Ganondorf; Wind Waker and Twilight Princess be damned) but at this point the time and energy would be better used simply asking for another Zelda character. People need to accept that there are in fact people, and even Zelda fans, who like his current portrayal; and Sakurai's choices in previous Smash games have made it clear that he isn't interested in complete overhauls of anyone on the roster (for better or for worse). Luigi and Falco are, at their core, and despite the changes to their movesets over time, still the same general character they were in Smash 64 and Melee.
If you want a mage Zelda villain in Smash, rally for Vaati instead. Actually, PLEASE, rally for Vaati; he really needs it.
Smash has always considered Toon Link to be a separate character from Young Link, going back to Brawl's Event Matches counting him as a Brawl newcomer. Young Link was always going to come back on a technicality when "Everyone is here" was in play.
Vaati will finally get his turn in Nintendo vs. Capcom
Those years of stanning him will surely pay off
No we need to keep going, if he get's a second sword he'll suddenly be Toon Ganon.
you can't be an echo if you predate the existence of Smash 4's Shameful Clone Corner
that's how Dr. Mario avoided that fate
how else am i gonna get Four Swords Adventure in this economy
Yeah, Young Link was the only character from Melee to not have another appearance until now in Ultimate. Sheik & Ganondorf have always been in every iteration since Melee, yet they had Toon Link replace Young Link entirely.
Personally I usually push for a "Ganon" playable character, but it's just useless to attempt to make for any "push" when there clearly isn't a strong enough unified voice. The one rallying cry that really exists is a rejection for the current Ganondorf, even if there are people who enjoy him. Like I said above, it's silly when what's essentially Smash's Waluigi, a character added as roster filler, is taking the spot of an actual relevant Zelda character while still counting as Zelda representation.
The hype for the sword was largely generated by Smash itself due to his intro picture and one of the Melee victory screens, which made it feel like he was "missing" it when fighting in Smash.
This is the problem with Zelda reps: fans just move onto the new hotness every Smash. That and Tingle backlash, we could have had Tingle, you guys!!!
Everyone wanted Midna and then everyone wanted whatsisface with the tongue and the sword from SS and then they argued over which Champion deserved it most and people keep bringing up Vaati because he's technically been in a bunch even if Nintendo seems to forget he exists. If you want a new Zelda rep you have to unite around a single character for 10+ years like Metroid and DK fans did.
I thought we all agreed Pichu evolved and replaced Melee Pikachu?
Tingle backlash will forever be my least favorite thing about Zelda fans. Club Nintendo users voting AGAINST having the Tingle games localized will never be something I get over.
Wait, there was a vote??? And they voted to not have some games come out over here?
As far as Midna goes, the issue there was the Assist Trophy. Once that was confirmed a lot of the demand died, which is why it changed mostly to Skullkid for a while... until he also was confirmed as an assist trophy in Ultimate, so people also gave up.
...this is insanely accurate, now that i'm thinking about it.
Waluigi is: a character introduced in a Mario spin-off because they had no good ideas for Wario's tennis doubles partner, who has no actual major appearances (let alone a game to call his own), but people would LOVE for him to be in Smash.
Tingle is: a character introduced in a main series Zelda game, appeared in a few more, then got three whole spin-off titles to his name, but Nintendo fans essentially killed the character and his chances for Smash by having bad taste.
We live in an unjust world.
Ed Boon would be down with Scorpion in Smash and would consider it to be an honour. Though he clarified he's only speaking for himself and not Warner Brothers. But could you imagine if say both Scorpion and Sora were part of the fighter pass? That would mean we'd have a Nintendo game with Microsoft, Warner Brothers, and Disney in the title screen credits.
The only other major crossovers between Disney and Warner Brothers have been Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and the Star Wars cameos in Ready Player One and The Lego Movie. The Lego Star Wars and Marvel games are made by WB Games but I wouldn't consider them crossovers.
The only other major crossovers between Disney and Warner Brothers have been Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and the Star Wars cameos in Ready Player One and The Lego Movie. The Lego Star Wars and Marvel games are made by WB Games but I wouldn't consider them crossovers.
Pichu is the true villain rep of the Pokemon series.
I hope we get a splash screen with them fighting against Pichu and Mewtwo.
Quotes from Tingle's Wikipedia page.
When development for Twilight Princess began, IGN hoped that game directors Shigeru Miyamoto and Eiji Aonuma would not include the character, saying "we're not going to stand for him in another Zelda game".
Fan distaste for Tingle led to his exclusion from Twilight Princess.
Tingle ranked sixth on GameDaily's top 10 ugliest game characters list, stating that his face looks out of place. GamesRadar described him as "Zelda's Jar Jar".
Fan distaste for Tingle led to his exclusion from Twilight Princess.
Tingle ranked sixth on GameDaily's top 10 ugliest game characters list, stating that his face looks out of place. GamesRadar described him as "Zelda's Jar Jar".
I'd be fine with Tingle as the next Zelda rep. Not every Smash character has to be super serious. Smash can get away with joke or meme characters that no other fighting game can.
not until he met tingle, who breaks all known laws of reality
I wanted Tingle and Groose in Hyrule Warriors and got neither of them in the base game and one of them never ended up getting in :(
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