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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 2 | Challengers Approaching!

Pick Your Poison for a Nintendo DLC newcomer?


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Oct 26, 2017
7,305
The fact Toadette has effectively replaced the yellow Toad as the fourth player character, and has been making appearances as either an important NPC or straight up playable character in spin-offs and mainline games, makes me start to think that she's gonna be a lock for Smash, either DLC (tho there probably only if there's a second season) or the next game. Peachette only helped her popularity - I think she's gonna be our next Rosalina, not Pauline or whomever else.
 
Jan 10, 2018
9,401
Sydney, Australia
The fact Toadette has effectively replaced the yellow Toad as the fourth player character, and has been making appearances as either an important NPC and playable character in spin-offs and mainline games, makes me start to think that she's gonna be a lock for Smash, either DLC (tho there probably only if there's a second season) or the next game. Peachette only helped her popularity - I think she's gonna be our next Rosalina, not Pauline or whomever else.
She hasn't really replaced a specific Toad yet; it was blue in NSMBUDX and yellow in Maker 2.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,445
We're not getting Toadette without Toad, and we're not getting Toad with Peach's current move set. Maybe (but probably not) next game.
 
Oct 26, 2017
7,305
She hasn't really replaced a specific Toad yet; it was blue in NSMBUDX and yellow in Maker 2.
Oh yeah, I forgot it was the Yellow one that was in NSBMUDX, my bad.
Either way, she's replaced the second Toad regardless of colour, is my point - which also gives her more visibility/exposure than the two coloured Toads.

We're not getting Toadette without Toad, and we're not getting Toad with Peach's current move set. Maybe (but probably not) next game.
Before today, I would have agreed with you. But since she's front and center in Mario Maker 2 - which is no doubt going to be a huge success - in both the campaign and the multiplayer mode makes me think that Nintendo is trying to position her as the main Toad character over bog standard Toad, Blue Toad, Yellow Toad and even Captain Toad.
This all smells a lot like how they've approached things with Rosalina, if not even more aggressively so.

I don't doubt that if we get Toadette, Toad isn't far behind, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we only got Toadette, either.
 
Mar 16, 2018
1,568
OH
I feel little sad Waluigi got dumped into shit wagon after couple awful fans harassed Sakurai. Character in theory shouldn’t be ignored just because of some awful fans.

…I’m also worried how much harassment Sakurai really gets. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just couple of people on Twitter, there are likely way more. Unfortunately.
It's like that for most or all of the top characters. The higher the popularity, the worse the reaction from those kinds of fans. Popularity that's observable, boosted expectations, and the entitlement that's seen when it doesn't pan out.

The other thing, due to his continued relevance, the average maturity level of Waluigi's fanbase should be lower than Ridley's and K. Rool's. No data on this, but I can't see there being a lot of teens that seriously wanted the latter two, so Waluigi has to get the bulk of them, on top of any older awful fans out there.

As for the harassment in general, I would think he might receive more than any other developer out there. It's not something I've really thought about with other games/developers, though. Defintely more than we see, as you said. The question is how much actually makes it to him directly.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,445
Before today, I would have agreed with you. But since she's front and center in Mario Maker 2 - which is no doubt going to be a huge success - in both the campaign and the multiplayer mode makes me think that Nintendo is trying to position her as the main Toad character over bog standard Toad, Blue Toad, Yellow Toad and even Captain Toad.
This all smells a lot like how they've approached things with Rosalina, if not even more aggressively so.
Eh, I don't really see it. She's still just a multiplayer character equal to Toad.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,864
Before today, I would have agreed with you. But since she's front and center in Mario Maker 2 - which is no doubt going to be a huge success - in both the campaign and the multiplayer mode makes me think that Nintendo is trying to position her as the main Toad character over bog standard Toad, Blue Toad, Yellow Toad and even Captain Toad.
This all smells a lot like how they've approached things with Rosalina, if not even more aggressively so.

I don't doubt that if we get Toadette, Toad isn't far behind, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we only got Toadette, either.
That line of reasoning only makes sense if you assume that Sakurai will look at the representation of Toad as different from Blue Toad, Yellow Toad, or Captain Toad, when he may see them all as representation of the same character. If you look at marketing of NSMBU DX and Mario Maker 2, Nintendo doesn't distinguish as Blue or Yellow Toad, it's just "Toad" to them. The easiest explanation is that they thought a female character would be a good fit in the Mario quartet, so decided that only 1 version of Toad was enough and the other could go to Toadette since she would share mostly the same assets and animations.

Every time Toadette has appeared in modern Mario games, she was accompanied by Toad who has more of a track record of going solo than her. I don't see it as a competition either, it's just logical that Sakurai would do an Olimar/Alph or Koopalings situation here because it adds more fanservice and value by making any version of Toad/Toadette playable for minimal effort on the devs part. So the latest trend of Toadette stans trying to pit her against Toad is just dumb to me and seems to come from a place of schadenfreude towards people who want Toad playable in Smash.
 
Oct 27, 2017
13,252
The fact Toadette has effectively replaced the yellow Toad as the fourth player character, and has been making appearances as either an important NPC or straight up playable character in spin-offs and mainline games, makes me start to think that she's gonna be a lock for Smash, either DLC (tho there probably only if there's a second season) or the next game. Peachette only helped her popularity - I think she's gonna be our next Rosalina, not Pauline or whomever else.
Reminder: The cart should come after the horse.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,761
(captain) Toadette is the most obvious Captain Toad echo or costume swap, we can all be happy!

If my mushy boy even had a shot at this point, he's been robbed like Dixie Kong
 
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Oct 25, 2017
6,846
Hard to believe that my character, Toadette finally got their moments. :’^)

She uses to be a filler character when she made her debuts. I picked her in Mario Kart DD and Mario Party 6.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,894
Is Toadette the first case of a spin-off Mario character being assimilated into the main games? I don’t think even Wario appeared in an EAD game, unless SM64DS was handled by them.
 
Oct 27, 2017
13,252
Is Toadette the first case of a spin-off Mario character being assimilated into the main games? I don’t think even Wario appeared in an EAD game, unless SM64DS was handled by them.
Super Mario Land was technically a spin-off made by a different team, so Daisy would actually be the first.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,864
Regardless of whichever mushroom is preferred, I don't think games like Mario Maker 2 matter. They function as "echoes" just like Luigi is to Mario, but lack the same body type. Toad's had a history of SMB2, SM3DW, the NSMB series, and now SMM2 and it hasn't mattered. More games like Treasure Tracker which could build on things only him and Toadette could do is their only shot at Smash.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,864
I like that expressing the notion that Nintendo might be pushing Toadette is immediately reacted to with scorn and me being implied to be a moron.
That's not what got you the reactions. Toadette getting a huge push is undeniably happening in Mario games for the past few years.

What people take issue with, is to view Toadette's promotion as Nintendo deeming Toadette as more important to them than Toad.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,350
I suspect part of the reason SMM2 is picking Blue Toad + Toadette is because Red Toad wouldn't read differently enough from Mario at a glance on some themes
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,864
I suspect part of the reason SMM2 is picking Blue Toad + Toadette is because Red Toad wouldn't read differently enough from Mario at a glance on some themes
Yep. Super Mario Run is a single player game, so the Toad that appears playable is the original red cap, blue vest one. That same one appears in this game's story mode.

When there's a co-op Mario game, Nintendo has each character represent a different color so that it is immediately obvious to each player on where their character currently is. In NSMB Wii it was Red, Green, Blue, Yellow. Because Toad's color scheme matches Mario's, his appearance got altered. Same with 3D World (there's a contrast between Toad's dark blue and Rosalina's sky blue) or even this game. There's no instance of Peach and Toadette ever being on screen in a co-op Mario together, because they both share pink as their main color.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,358
no
Some characters in Deltarune reference playing Smash. Was kinda hilarious since that came out like 2 days before the massive November Smash Direct and led to rabid theorizing.

Dunno if Fox has mentioned it at all via social media, though.
deltarune came out 1 day before the Smash Direct. The epilogue also has a number of references telling players to "come back tomorrow." I didn't beat deltarune in time, but I did get that wildness spoiled.

Everyone, please, turn not amongst yourselves, you are losing sight of the true enemy.

It doesn't matter if the next character is Erdrick, or Jill, or Banjo, or the Chosen Undead, or Sans, or Toadette.

What matters is that it's not Byleth.
Unless Sugiyama changes his ways (Which won't happen because he's old), I would rather have 4 Byleths than 1 Erdrick & 3 more characters.

So here is a ehh… remaining popular 1st Party character wave?

Rex, Springman, Dixie, Bandana Dee & Waluigi.

Garbage, ok or decent?
Honestly? I might personally like that better than whatever we get.

Kirby has such a plethora of interesting characters and people still want Bandana Dee. smh
Please don't talk about my son like that ever again.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Is Toadette the first case of a spin-off Mario character being assimilated into the main games? I don’t think even Wario appeared in an EAD game, unless SM64DS was handled by them.
She debuted in the one spin-off created by EAD (Mario Kart), so she is in a different situation from most spin-off characters.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
13,872
Other than the lack of any female characters it's a pretty good list were it true, albeit kind of weird that we get three gritty violent characters and also Banjo.
 
Oct 17, 2018
3,743
I put the Google leak up. I am Mr. Google.

I put Artorias in there because I haven't played Dark Souls and picked the dude on the box from Prepare To Die. I thought he was the main character!