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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 3 | Seeking Answers to the Un-Bear-able Quest-ions!
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There are people in this thread who have argued that Dixie is a stupid monkey and wouldn't count.
I'm honestly more into picks like Lip, Mach Rider, and Dixie Kong and changes like defaulting Villager and Corrin female because I figure it's far easier to dive deeper into Nintendo's giant library for female characters than to attempt to get other third-parties onboard with the same. Sakurai is already extremely passive regarding this, don't exactly need more hands in the pot if we don't need to.
Hell, Sakurai managed to turn Kid fucking Icarus into a major highlight character. C'mon.
Hell, Sakurai managed to turn Kid fucking Icarus into a major highlight character. C'mon.
I was making a joke because there was a period of time where it seemed every time I suggested KOS-MOS, someone would jump in and say "What about Lloyd Irving?"
And it's like...if I wanted Lloyd, I'd have brought him up.
Chimps are more closely related to humans than to monkeys. Checkmate, detractors.
I wonder if first party characters are left as backup plans in case any third party dealings fell through.
Though judging by the time the information came through for Tansut's DQ rep and Papa Geno's potentially legit mystery microsoft source for Banjo, I'd guess they were all planned out in advance.
Anyway, Dixie Kong is the uniting hero we all need, throw in either a Xeno or ARMs lass in for slot 5, boom we're in business.
Though judging by the time the information came through for Tansut's DQ rep and Papa Geno's potentially legit mystery microsoft source for Banjo, I'd guess they were all planned out in advance.
Anyway, Dixie Kong is the uniting hero we all need, throw in either a Xeno or ARMs lass in for slot 5, boom we're in business.
Game getting a straightish up-port way after initial release without emulation being involved seemed extremely rare until recently (yes, there were some cases like Mario All-Stars, but PS3 really made it a thing) unless it involved moving to handheld. So it would be GBA or NDS. And GBA would be ludicrously involved. Both systems also got multiple original games, for all I know they could have started with a port attempt. And Sony platforms had emulated SotN and the PSP port, so the incentive to just make it available was lessened. (Plus, PSP didn't get much else.)
Now no port right now, that is kinda confusing, but let's not shun the summer before the nuclear winter update, or however it goes.
Actually, I had a similar idea for Villager in a potential retooling for the character in the next Smash game (based on their New Horizons incarnations).
But yeah, I have no idea why Sakurai didn't change Corrin to be female by default in Ultimate.
Anyway,
Tracer.
I think she has a shot, I really do. She's probably the most iconic new character from this generation of consoles, and they've shown a willingness to add newer third-party characters with Joker.
We can talk about "requirements" like being on a Nintendo console, but let's be real. Cloud didn't get in because of his cameo appearances in Kingdom Hearts, he got in because he's Cloud and he's a hugely popular character. I don't think the "well, technically he was on a Nintendo console in cameo roles first!" thing was a requirement to being in Smash. If Tracer had a cameo role in Diablo III for Switch, would she all of a sudden be a contender, but without that, she's not? That seems silly, and I kind of doubt Nintendo thinks of things in that way.
To say nothing of the (rather high IMO) possibility of an Overwatch Switch port.
Tracer.
I think she has a shot, I really do. She's probably the most iconic new character from this generation of consoles, and they've shown a willingness to add newer third-party characters with Joker.
We can talk about "requirements" like being on a Nintendo console, but let's be real. Cloud didn't get in because of his cameo appearances in Kingdom Hearts, he got in because he's Cloud and he's a hugely popular character. I don't think the "well, technically he was on a Nintendo console in cameo roles first!" thing was a requirement to being in Smash. If Tracer had a cameo role in Diablo III for Switch, would she all of a sudden be a contender, but without that, she's not? That seems silly, and I kind of doubt Nintendo thinks of things in that way.
To say nothing of the (rather high IMO) possibility of an Overwatch Switch port.
That's a neat idea. The redhead girl Villager from New Horizons would also give us visual variety in hair color on the roster.Actually, I had a similar idea for Villager in a potential retooling for the character in the next Smash game (based on their New Horizons incarnations).
But yeah, I have no idea why Sakurai didn't change Corrin to be female by default in Ultimate.
People keep talking about this but I just don't see it. Switch doesn't even have Hearthstone, which makes at least twice as much sense.
(Not that that's stopping Tracer from getting in. See Persona 5.)
I mean, this is literally what Sakurai said:
Sakurai: At the same time, I think it's only natural to prioritize the character who enjoys worldwide popularity. I might have had misgivings if Cloud had never appeared on a Nintendo console in any form, though.
You could say it's not a sure thing (and it isn't) but it clearly crossed his mind and he felt it was important enough to bring up.
What if the Virtual Boy is a newcomer. As in, the Virtual Boy itself:
It even has legs! It's Final Smash stuns enemies by giving them headaches.
I would also settle for Elma and Dixie though.
It even has legs! It's Final Smash stuns enemies by giving them headaches.
I would also settle for Elma and Dixie though.
Tracer is still a western third-party character from a game that has no presence on Nintendo platforms, but also a character that Sakurai likely doesn't have the same attachment to as he does Persona.
And I don't see Overwatch on Switch as being an inevitability, either.
It's pretty clear by now that when Sakurai has an "image" for a character it's very hard to get him to change it. Bowser and Donkey Kong with animal sounds, an older Roy without his actual personality... Once he went with male Corrin as the default it's not that surprising he kept that even while IS changed to marketing female Corrin as the Fates representative.
I wanted Alis Landale so badly but I worry Hero more or less now does pretty much anything she could have, outside of making Myau a massive part of her moveset. Time to fully commit to the Rico Tyrell train. No Smash character so far can swap mid-combo between 7 different weapons, casts magic, has a mag that can use photon blasts, and is the central hero of the story but also transforms into the final boss.
Dixie's defining trait is her powerful hair that enables her to fly. That should be what her moveset is based around. However, in addition to that, Dixie needs to use her bubblegum to trap people, maybe blowing bubbles that can float upwards on the stage and trap opponents and items within it. Also, Dixie needs to use her powerful hair to lift the enormous baby Kiddy Kong to launch him forward as a "fat baby baseball". Kiddy can be stored in Dixie's hair since he would only be used for like 2 attacks.
Joker at least had Persona Q2 on the 3DS. Tracer has quite literally nothing.
I'm a big overwatch mark, but I think it's too new maybe as a third party franchise? only the one game under its belt after all
Kinda feels like the third parties we get are either notable long running series or at least well attached to Nintendo in the case of Bayo and Banjo.
But you know, the rules with smash are that there are no rules!
Except no Goku of course
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I'm still the only person I've encountered online with the Dixie and Kiddy character icon, I cannot compare to the Shantae army.
Kinda feels like the third parties we get are either notable long running series or at least well attached to Nintendo in the case of Bayo and Banjo.
But you know, the rules with smash are that there are no rules!
Except no Goku of course
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I'm still the only person I've encountered online with the Dixie and Kiddy character icon, I cannot compare to the Shantae army.
Oh yeah, if it wasn't for Overwatch not being on a Nintendo system, I'd be pushing for Tracer non-stop. She more than deserves it.
Yep, Tracer ticks off every box for gaming superstar status, the type of guests that appear in Smash. We just need OW on Switch. Maybe a port is planned...
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So what you're saying is that it's not okay to be critical of the fact that the only female representation so far is the equivalent of Nana, Pikmin, and Luna mechanically
RE5 ended up being a surprise hit in my house when I lived with my brother and dad after high school. We 100% both vanilla and gold versions and were especially into the mercenary mode.
Right now the most popular female character requests is Shantae by western fans and Arle Nadja by Japanese fans. I don't think either of those characters stands the greatest of odds, but it isn't much better if you look outside of them.
General 3rd party stars to pick from are Jill Valentine, Lara Croft, 2B, and Tracer, and those last two have never had a game in their series on a Nintendo console. First party wise, the biggest requests are Dixie, Elma, and Ashley it seems.
General 3rd party stars to pick from are Jill Valentine, Lara Croft, 2B, and Tracer, and those last two have never had a game in their series on a Nintendo console. First party wise, the biggest requests are Dixie, Elma, and Ashley it seems.
Joker is a similarly new character, even though yes I know Persona is older. So they're clearly not just looking for decades-old icons for their third party reps, like Mega Man and Pac-Man.
I think Overwatch is more likely to have staying power in the future than, say, Metal Gear, which seems pretty dead as a series. :(
That's what I'm worried about. I recall some here talking about an Overwatch port that was shown behind closed doors at E3 2017 (if I'm not mistaken), but nothing became of those rumors. I wouldn't be surprised if a Switch port of Overwatch was originally planned but was ultimately scrapped for whatever reason.
Why are we adding Overwatch, a cheap imitation, when Team Fortress Heavy is right there ready to crossover into his 400th game
why would you flood this community with ugly Steve Heath? whhhhyyyy?!
edit: et tu BGBW?
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True enough.
What exactly was the bet for?Lady Bow, RailWays, Wondergal, Sponge, TheGamingNewsGuy, Choppasmith, oreomunsta, cdm00;
You won for picking a correct team to supports. Congrats on your victory and it was well-deserved! :)
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Now I'm going to pass out all loser avatars for three teams where they failed to succeed with their bets this time.
For Team No Dragon Quest
ShinobiBk Since you like Sobble so much so I will let you have a blue avatar!
For Team Banjo
Weiss
Brock Reiher
Paperchampion23
TheEpic_Crusader
Chauzu
Illusion
Punished Dan
Gartooth
Team Dragon Quest
Wil Grieve
MoonGirard
Marqario ]
ShroudOfFate
Radishhead
Team None of Them
retrobotjr
CormoranStrike
Rubica
Toxi
Samuel
Champion
Galactic Specter
Overwatch is more relevant right now. Also, I don't recall Team Fortress ever showing up on a Nintendo system.
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