Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 3 | Seeking Answers to the Un-Bear-able Quest-ions!

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Benzychenz

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Obviously it won't happen on this fighters pass, but for the next game (or a second pass focused on first party characters), I really wouldn't mind seeing King Boo get a spot, especially with Luigi's Mansion 3 looking fantastic. Could definitely have both his main designs as skins.

 

r_n

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Technically the only playable character in mainline Zelda that isn't Link.
by "main line" i assume you're discounting all handheld titles (Phatnom hourglass has you control a goron kid, Spirit Tracks has Zelda (in the Phantom)) and mind control (Medli & Makar) , but Majora's Mask does let you use Kafaei (now there would be an inexplicable echo)
 

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by "main line" i assume you're discounting all handheld titles (Phatnom hourglass has you control a goron kid, Spirit Tracks has Zelda (in the Phantom)) and mind control (Medli & Makar) , but Majora's Mask does let you use Kafaei (now there would be an inexplicable echo)
Nah I just knew I was forgetting something and someone would correct me if I posted it. Didn't play Spirit Tracks, totally forgot about ghost Zelda.

Let's say she's the last major playable character in Zelda currently not playable in Smash from a mainline title. I think that should cover it.
 
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Obviously it won't happen on this fighters pass, but for the next game (or a second pass focused on first party characters), I really wouldn't mind seeing King Boo get a spot, especially with Luigi's Mansion 3 looking fantastic. Could definitely have both his main designs as skins.

I wonder why the King Boo on the right gets into Mario Kart and stuff while left King Boo never leaves Luigi's Mansion.
 

rayngiraffe

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Ok I got a hypothetical question (the point is not whether its likely or feasible).
What's the equivalent of a DQ reveal for something that is really big in the west, but japan couldn't give 2 hoots about?
 

Benzychenz

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I'm asking as someone out of the loop: what kind of moveset could King Boo have?
Haven't played LM2 yet, so unsure what kind of stuff he does in that, or whatever else they'll do with him in LM3. In LM1
his boss fight just has him inside a Bowser suit.

So, uh, standard boo stuff. Could have a teleporting up-b where he vanishes and reappears, could hide as his down-special as a counter/reflect :p
Could also use other boo minions, as well as licking/biting attacks.
 

BGBW

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A Dragon Quest equivilent would actually require it to have a niche appeal in Japan rather than no appeal in Japan at all.

And by niche I actually mean sells whatever the Japanese equivilent of hitting a million sales is, so not really niche at all.
 

Regulus Tera

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A Dragon Quest equivilent would actually require it to have a niche appeal in Japan rather than no appeal in Japan at all.

And by niche I actually mean sells whatever the Japanese equivilent of hitting a million sales is, so not really niche at all.
Grand Theft Auto almost always hits the 100-200k mark, which puts it around Tales of numbers. I think it's a fair comparison.
 

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Obviously it won't happen on this fighters pass, but for the next game (or a second pass focused on first party characters), I really wouldn't mind seeing King Boo get a spot, especially with Luigi's Mansion 3 looking fantastic. Could definitely have both his main designs as skins.

King Boo doesn't have too much going on in his LM boss fights. In 1, the real boss is the mecha Bowser. In 2 he has body slams and can summon purple lightning with his gem. I guess it depends on what 3 lends to his arsenal.

I think the best thing for King Boo would to make him an amalgam of all the different Boo abilities in the Mario series like with Pirahna Plant.
 

MondoMega

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Some people expected Hero this week?

Uh, why?
Why not? It wasn't that outlandish of a prediction all things considered:
  1. Could've served as a potential tie-in for the release of Dragon Quest Builders 2 this week.
  2. An update for Ultimate game is (possibly) due before July 19th, to add support for the next amiibo wave.
  3. There was a tease for it on the French Nintendo Twitter that was misinterpreted for some time (not being for this week, but for the near future).
  4. The gap between Joker and Hero is already longer than the one between Piranha Plant and Joker, so people are starting to expect a release soon.
 

Gartooth

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Nintendo seasons are pretty literal to the calendar date, so they could make us wait until late September if they wanted. I think Hero won't release for at least another month to put it closer to DQXI S for that marketing synergy.
 

ned_ballad

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I wonder why the King Boo on the right gets into Mario Kart and stuff while left King Boo never leaves Luigi's Mansion.
Because...

In Mario 64 DS, King Boo looked like a giant boo with a goofy crown. This may have been to fit the art style better, or because the "real" King Boo didn't work with the DS' limited graphics.

From there, Mario Kart DS came out, and King Boo's Mario 64 DS model was repurposed for a mission mode fight.

Mario Kart DS borrowed heavily from Mario 64 DS, and then going forward, ALL Mario Spin Offs (and future Mario games, even) would adapt Mario 64 DS's designs as the "canon" designs for enemies, with a couple minor tweaks here or there as graphics improved.

So King Boo is stuck in spin offs being a Big Boo with a crown because of an early 2000s DS remake of Mario 64 that somehow became the basis for the art style for Mario spin offs for the next 15 years and beyond.
 

Zippo

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Why not? It wasn't that outlandish of a prediction all things considered:
  1. Could've served as a potential tie-in for the release of Dragon Quest Builders 2 this week.
  2. An update for Ultimate game is (possibly) due before July 19th, to add support for the next amiibo wave.
  3. There was a tease for it on the French Nintendo Twitter that was misinterpreted for some time (not being for this week, but for the near future).
  4. The gap between Joker and Hero is already longer than the one between Piranha Plant and Joker, so people are starting to expect a release soon.
Eh, I want it like, now, obviously, but there's not anything super concrete pointing to his release, at least not that I've seen anywhere, at least not yet. Summer just started, so who knows. Hopefully not much longer.
 

Zippo

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Based on what we have to go on though, I'm still going to guess that they're not going to meet their February deadline, at this point. Banjo won't be out until September at the very earliest, and we won't be hearing about fighter number four for a good long while.

The "one character every two months" theory is already busted. I just think they underestimated how long the characters and stages would take to develop.
 

cmChimera

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Eh, I want it like, now, obviously, but there's not anything super concrete pointing to his release, at least not that I've seen anywhere, at least not yet. Summer just started, so who knows. Hopefully not much longer.
Also people are hoping for his inclusion at EVO, which requires him to be released by the 17th.
 

MondoMega

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I mean hey, if my amiibo update theory proves to be fruitful, we all benefit by getting Hero next week.

Really hope someone just gets their hands on the next wave a bit early to prove me wrong (so I don't need to get my hopes up).

They're probably not going to. It's July and we have a single character released.
3/4 of Smash 4's unique DLC newcomers released within two months of each-other.

Smash DLC release schedules are all weird.
 

DecoReturns

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They can release 2 characters same day like Smash 4.

Nothing is stopping that. Especially when the last major event to reveal is the Game Awards. September direct for character 4 and Game Awards Character 5. February release?

I could see that.
 

Zippo

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Maybe Feburary wasn't a hard deadline, but instead a goal they had in mind at the beginning of development of the DLC, who knows.

We know it takes a good while to develop characters, Sakurai hss said that time and again.
 

TheDinoman

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I will say their releases/reveal schedule for the DLC has been excruciatingly poorly paced.
The reveal schedule for Ultimate in general has been poorly paced

Sure did love waiting months on end to get any new info with absolutely nothing inbetween Directs (outside of new music tracks)
 
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MondoMega

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They can release 2 characters same day like Smash 4.

Nothing is stopping that. Especially when the last major event to reveal is the Game Awards. September direct for character 4 and Game Awards Character 5. February release?

I could see that.
You know, they'll have run out of seasons to base the updates around by Character #5 (3.0 was advertised as the Spring update, Hero is set for Summer and Banjo is set for Fall), so in a weird way I can see this playing out.
 

Gartooth

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Characters taking longer to make with a larger roster could be a culprit. At least they told us who's coming so we aren't stuck in Banjo vs. Steve speculation.
 

TheDinoman

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Remember when they literally revealed every single stage in the game in August?

They could of held back on some returning stages for the final Direct.
 
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