Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 3 | Seeking Answers to the Un-Bear-able Quest-ions!

Ryce

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I'm not sure if anyone cares, but I found out that the DQXI stage is localized as Yggdrasil's Altar in the English translation of the game, so that's probably what it'll be called in Smash.
 

KtotheRoc

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This song is too iconic and awesome! Of course I want it in Smash!


Even its official remix is badass!


And it even got another official remix that is also badass!
 

Lumi

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Yeah. Kinda defeats the purpose of Mother Brain when her brain is normal size.
That's fair. I would accept a smaller body like a spider or octopus mech. I still want her monstrous maw from Super though. She can drool acid and spew poison. Her drool can be a very subtle damaging idle animation.
 
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Apopheniac

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of course, SmashWiki still doesn't even have a page on the stage

they could've just went with "Altar of the Sky" if they didn't know the English name, since that's confirmed in Japanese materials
 

jaggies

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I just think Resident Evil and Tekken are really unsurprising picks, and talking about them for months on end seems really dull. They're going to dominate discussion because they're the biggest Japanese created IPs not yet in Smash. And filling the roster in that way when smaller series have already gotten representation seems really boring.

They're just here because they're the biggest. Not because they make for the coolest roster additions.
Agreed.

Here’s something I always think of, when I think of what characters are “iconic.”

I go to the movies a lot, and so I saw the trailer for Ready Player One a bunch of times. Now, in the trailer, there is a very quick shot of Tracer. And, because nerds just love Recognizing Things That They Know (see: Ready Player One*), without fail every time that shot was displayed at least one person in the audience would say “Tracer!” completely uncompelled.

I think about that a lot.

If the same trailer had a quick shot of Heihachi instead, do you think there would always be a guy in the audience who said “Heihachi”? I really don’t. I think there’s a difference between being from a popular game and being an iconic character in the larger culture.

We already have the archetypical fighting game characters in Smash, and that’s Ken and Ryu. Those are the characters that are in the pop culture, even if recent installments of Tekken technically sell better than recent installments of Street Fighter. When the producers ofWreck-It Ralph wanted some fighting game characters, they went to Street Fighter, not Tekken, because that’s sort of the archetypical fighting game that’s in the culture. We all know who Heihachi is, but Smash casts a very wide net and I think some of the people in this thread would be surprised at how many Smash players might not be familiar with him. I think to a lot of people Heihachi would read as Some Fighting Game Guy whereas Ken and Ryu read as Ken and Ryu.

That’s not to say that Sakurai never includes characters that aren’t pop culture icons; of course he does. But I think when he does he’s looking for characters that are interesting, like Ice Climbers or Mr. Game & Watch, and honestly the thought of playing as Heihachi in Smash doesn’t pique my interest at all. I don’t think he would be particularly interesting from a gameplay perspective and I don’t think he would be interesting from an aesthetic perspective.

I think we’re only talking about Heihachi because he’s from a big Japanese game series and so he’s sort of an obvious target. But I don’t think Nintendo and Sakurai think that way. It sort of shows a lack of imagination, I think.

I don’t at all think Nintendo views Smash as any sort of fighting game crossover, where they want to get characters from Tekken and Virtua Fighter and KoF and SamSho and Soul Calibur. I don’t think that’s their intention at all.

*) Or better yet, don’t. Heyo!
 

Mekanos

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Agreed.

Here’s something I always think of, when I think of what characters are “iconic.”

I go to the movies a lot, and so I saw the trailer for Ready Player One a bunch of times. Now, in the trailer, there is a very quick shot of Tracer. And, because nerds just love Recognizing Things That They Know (see: Ready Player One*), without fail every time that shot was displayed at least one person in the audience would say “Tracer!” completely uncompelled.

I think about that a lot.

If the same trailer had a quick shot of Heihachi instead, do you think there would always be a guy in the audience who said “Heihachi”? I really don’t. I think there’s a difference between being from a popular game and being an iconic character in the larger culture.

We already have the archetypical fighting game characters in Smash, and that’s Ken and Ryu. Those are the characters that are in the pop culture, even if recent installments of Tekken technically sell better than recent installments of Street Fighter. When the producers ofWreck-It Ralph wanted some fighting game characters, they went to Street Fighter, not Tekken, because that’s sort of the archetypical fighting game that’s in the culture. We all know who Heihachi is, but Smash casts a very wide net and I think some of the people in this thread would be surprised at how many Smash players might not be familiar with him. I think to a lot of people Heihachi would read as Some Fighting Game Guy whereas Ken and Ryu read as Ken and Ryu.

That’s not to say that Sakurai never includes characters that aren’t pop culture icons; of course he does. But I think when he does he’s looking for characters that are interesting, like Ice Climbers or Mr. Game & Watch, and honestly the thought of playing as Heihachi in Smash doesn’t pique my interest at all. I don’t think he would be particularly interesting from a gameplay perspective and I don’t think he would be interesting from an aesthetic perspective.

I think we’re only talking about Heihachi because he’s from a big Japanese game series and so he’s sort of an obvious target. But I don’t think Nintendo and Sakurai think that way. It sort of shows a lack of imagination, I think.

I don’t at all think Nintendo views Smash as any sort of fighting game crossover, where they want to get characters from Tekken and Virtua Fighter and KoF and SamSho and Soul Calibur. I don’t think that’s their intention at all.

*) Or better yet, don’t. Heyo!
You say Sakurai doesn’t think that way yet we know he considered adding Heihachi to Smash 4.
 

Toxi

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I edited it into my previous post, but she could drool acid for a subtle damaging idle animation. Maybe it could happen while she's grabbed too!
I’d love that. Kinda like how Link’s idle animation blocks projectiles.

I see Mother Brain as a very projectile focused character, being able to throw up turrets, rinka rings, acid pools, mouth bombs, those weird wave lasers she shoots from her arms, etc. Fighting her would be a nightmare of just getting in.
 

KtotheRoc

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You say Sakurai doesn’t think that way yet we know he considered adding Heihachi to Smash 4.
Think it might still be too hard to implement Heihachi's moveset into Smash?


Interviewer: Between Bandai and Namco, were there any other strong candidates for inclusion as a fighter?

Sakurai: There were none. We basically thought of all the characters at the start of development. We decided on characters we knew we could make. However, there were a few in consideration, such as Heihachi from “Tekken.”

Interviewer: Heihachi!

Sakurai: That’s right. However, implementing Heihachi’s movement in Smash would be difficult…
 

TheDinoman

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Oct 25, 2017
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Think it might still be too hard to implement Heihachi's moveset into Smash?

Well, he said it was "difficult". Not impossible.

Ol' Ridley seemed worser off in that regard.

Nintendo Power: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?
Sakurai: I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]
 

MondoMega

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Think it might still be too hard to implement Heihachi's moveset into Smash?

Difficult is better than what he said about Ridley, so sure, he could make a Tekken moveset work in Smash.
 

HockeyBird

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Oct 27, 2017
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Now that we are in a post Banjo world, we are just left with discussion about Heihachi. Maybe we would have appreciated the journey more if we knew the destination was so boring.
 

MoonGirard

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Nov 4, 2017
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Medusa is extremely unlikely... but the female villain I want is even more unlikely!
Yea but I want to still hold out hope she might happen as an Echo.

Meh, I love Kid Icarus but there's not much of a reason for a third unique character now. The series hasn't had a new installment since 2012 and there's no significant fan demand for Medusa or any additional KI rep.
But that's if we apply logic I'd liked to think at some point a female villain(or another depening on what Dark Samus is considered) will be added. So Medusa has more going for her then someone like Captain Syrup though i guess Dr Coyle would have more going for her then Medusa if Arms has a future.

Alright let’s have some speculation fun!

After these 5 DLC characters, the CSS will still not be a complete rectangle (leaving 3 spaces from a final perfect row)

People have pointed out that when it’s “echoes stacked” it’ll be a perfect rectangle, so how do we solve this?

3 MORE ECHO FIGHTERS!

So Era, what are your 3 Echo fighters?

I’ll start:

1. Midna (Twili) / Zelda
2. Medusa / Palutena
3. Octoling / Inkling
If we are counting DLC characters
1 Heroines / Heroes (Dragon Quest)
2 Medusa / Palutena
3 Malos or Zanza / Shulk

if DLC characters aren't include
Hilda / Zelda or Impa / Sheik

There's her dinosaur-like form in Super Metroid though!
I still unironically want MB, darn it!
True ... but uh Metroid just go two reps this game and Mother Brain is an AT so Medusa first.
 

Bluewind098

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Honestly I'm not sure Heihachi is that much of a safe bet. Sure Tekken is big but there's not much of a demand for it to be in. Sakurai doesn't seem to be all into Tekken and him being a huge Street Fighter fan is a bulk of the reason we got Ryu and Ken, and there's not really anything big Tekken related on the Switch or even coming to the Switch.

Like the only reason to put in Heihachi is the idea we need another Bamco rep or whatever but I don't think Sakurai thinks that linearly when it comes to Guest characters.
 

Wondergal

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Oct 25, 2017
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This song is too iconic and awesome! Of course I want it in Smash!


Even its official remix is badass!


And it even got another official remix that is also badass!
These are all great and I love Ninja Gaiden 1-3 (NES). Great games, amazing music, cool badass protagonist. How could I say no to Ryu making an appearance in Smash? Tbh I'd prefer him as the Koei-Tecmo rep over an additional Bamco character for one of the final two slots. I just don't find their remaining choices for representation that appealing personally.
 

Wondergal

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Bless fellow Banjo-Kazooie fans and the developers for making their appearance happen. Still so damn happy about it well over 28 hours later.
 

Hailinel

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Is Banjo the first character to be included in a fighting game because of Twitter?
Actually, no?

Back during the Injustice 1 days, Ed Boon held Twitter polls with various popular character requests they got a lot on which character should be added as DLC. Zatanna won the vote and she was later announced as DLC for the game.
 

Xwing

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Nov 11, 2017
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If the Ape Escape franchise wasn't currently super dead, I'd be campaigning hardcore for Spike.

Here's hoping we get a trilogy re-release on Switch at some point.
 

Zan

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You know if Agumon gets in, it'd open up so many arguments among the casual crowd.

Most of them being "iF AgUmOn cAn GeT In WhY CaNt gOku?" Hell, i doubt many of Smash's fanbase doesnt even know about the virtual pet origins. In most of the world, Digimon is an anime first, virtual pet second.