Then why didn't they add Dixie as an echo when they had the chance with Ultimate?
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Then why didn't they add Dixie as an echo when they had the chance with Ultimate?
The size of the hair could be a bit of a pain if it indeed takes up a sizable amount of her body. How was she handled in Tropical Freeze?
Maybe a lack of time/lower priority/popularity? Or the hair may have been a bit of a pain due to body size...
Maybe a lack of time/lower priority/popularity? Or the hair may have been a bit of a pain due to body size...
Occam's Razor would indicate that Dixie is not Echo Fighter material. They added Dark Samus but not Dixie. I can think of no other explanation for this.
(People wanted Ridley. They didn't care about another possible Metroid rep.)
Dixie is not a character, original or not, not because she's not worthy of either category, but because DK fans fully backed K Rool over her all this time.
Are you talking about this?
Pretty sure he's saying they'll talk about how they utilize gameplay footage in the trailers in general in like two weeks.
you can use the Monkey Suit outfit for Swordfighters with it
For some reference on how long there can be, Joker was revealed on December 7th but the famitsu column about the reveal was on December 26th
Meanwhile 3.0 was released on April 17th but his column was almost a full month later (translation was on the 18th so Famitsu should've come out around the 15th).
This isn't entirely fair.
You have to remember, at the time the ballot was considered a Smash 4-exclusive concept, and that meant that a lot of fans considered Ridley to be ineligible due to the whole Pyrosphere thing. As a result of this, Metroid fans ended up being split on their votes. Many stuck to their guns and voted Ridley anyways, but a sizable amount of them took to voting for Dark Samus instead, as she was rightfully next in line after the big guy. It's probably because things seemed so dire for Ridley back then that we have Dark Samus now.
Dixie unfortunately didn't have a similar situation to benefit from. The K. Rool train was full steam going into Smash DLC, and didn't stop until the Mii Costume, which was after the ballot closed. As a result, Dixie didn't end up getting the vote split like Dark Samus did, and probably didn't end up doing as strongly on the polls.
I strongly disagree. I don't think it's true at all that Ridley ever "split" the vote with Dark Samus to any degree. Ridley was always THE one, THE choice of the Metroid fanbase by far, even as Ridley fans were beaten down by Sakurai and other Smash fans' words. The story of Ridley is a story of a fanbase's resilience -- a pizza that wouldn't cook no matter how much the chef yelled. A toilet that wouldn't flush no matter how much the plumber plunged.
Ridley was overtaken by K. Rool in the ballot -- and many other characters -- but Ridley still held on. Dark Samus was always a far off dream.
Dark Samus got her butt kicked by Dixie Kong in the ballot. You can look up the polls from that period and Dark Samus doesn't even register. Dixie does, even if notably below K. Rool. That still put her ahead of a lot of characters, including Dark Samus. In fact, the furor over K. Rool helped Dixie relative to other characters because it kept her around in people's minds. She was often floated as a "realistic" alternative to K. Rool. The conflict fed the Dixie machine.
Because people running fan polls almost always removed people's votes if they voted for an "impossible" character like Chrom or Dark Samus who were already used in the game in some capacity.
I think the echoes are being rated on a curve when it comes to "getting a lot of requests".
Except Daisy, who is a mega popular character but who makes a lot of sense as an echo.
Except Daisy, who is a mega popular character but who makes a lot of sense as an echo.
True. And I would say that those omissions themselves shaped how people voted. Some choices were simply defined out of existence. Dixie had way more backing in the ballot than Dark Samus ever did, thanks to bias like the one you mentioned.
You'd think, but we know she did well. I think fan polls were too hasty in disregarding Assist Trophies/Ridley/Chrom votes.
Especially since the Japanese ballot even mentioned future games (I think?)
Gotta remember some people considered Ridley out of the running for the Ballot. Some fans just wanted some kind of new Metroid character. I totally see why Dark Samus was highly requested.
I can confirm that literally nobody wanted Chrom. I've done the research.
This is why I believe Dark Samus must have did pretty well. She was the "well, if we can't have Ridley, she's the next best thing"
I know that's part of the reason I supported her.
Yeah, the Japanese site said that "it will be a reference for future software production".
One of these days you people are just gonna have to accept the fact that there are in fact people who like Chrom.
Oh trust me, I know. I've been waving Ridley's flag ever since the Melee intro 18 years ago and I was actually moved to tears by his reveal trailer. But I think people forget how battered the Ridley fandom was after Smash 4. It was pretty clear that the whole Pyrosphere shadow situation took the wind out of their sails. I still remember the very somber sign-off thread on Smashboards after his disconfirmation with a number of people saying it was their last rodeo because they were exhausted after how much of a rollercoaster the whole Pyrosphere situation ended up being.
The ballot was just rubbing salt in the wound because everyone correctly assumed that an existing notable role in the game was a damning mark against them. As someone who frequented a lot of Ridley threads across the net, I saw plenty of people saying that they were going to move on to Dark Samus or at least throw her a vote alongside Ridley. That plus the fact that Sakurai outright said Dark Samus and Chrom were added to the game for popularity reasons has me thinking that, ironically, Ridley's deconfirmation for Smash 4 resulted in us getting an additional Metroid character in the end.
As for the Dixie situation, yes, she was presented as the realistic alternative to K. Rool, but that was mostly before the full game released, and certainly before the ballot came up. Because of Tropical Freeze being recent and no one knowing when the cutoff was at the time, most figured Dixie had a great shot due to recency whereas old Mario Sluggers-only K. Rool was constantly given the "irrelevant" brush-off. Once the ballot appeared and the idea of a character getting into Smash on popularity alone became a feasible concept, the K. Rool squad went into overdrive with the Kremling Kampaign and left Dixie in the dust.
As for the fan polls, I'll admit that Dixie did chart better on those than Dark Samus, but as I mentioned earlier, many of the Metroid fans had lost hope and probably moved on from where the polls were happening. After all, Ridley himself didn't chart on a lot of these polls. I just think you're underselling Dark Samus's (confirmed) popularity and overselling Dixie's at the time. She's definitely going to become an enormous force now that K. Rool's in, but it's a similar situation to the competition between Diddy and K. Rool in Brawl: one only really takes off after the other is already in.
Yea, looking at the direct again (sad seeing Iwata), he especially emphasizes that it's for future games.
Wait, aren't we forgetting that Dark Samus was already an assist trophy in Smash 4, essentially putting her in the same pit with Ridley at the time?
I think we underestimate and overestimate a lot of characters while trying to assume what Sakurai would do looking at the list of choices.
I honestly think Goku, Spongebob and Iron Man were likely highly voted on as he's mentioned them. But how many people mention the latter two in these fan polls? It's also so arbitrary for what he picks- Dark Samus may have been 89th on the list but Sakurai thought all the others would be unique characters or impossible with their time limit for development.
It's one reason I'd love to see a BTS book about the whole process.
I honestly think Goku, Spongebob and Iron Man were likely highly voted on as he's mentioned them. But how many people mention the latter two in these fan polls? It's also so arbitrary for what he picks- Dark Samus may have been 89th on the list but Sakurai thought all the others would be unique characters or impossible with their time limit for development.
It's one reason I'd love to see a BTS book about the whole process.
The difference was that people thought ridley was just done in general from sakurai's stance.
Goku, Spongebob, and the like definitely did way better than characters who did end up in the game like Banjo.
And even with all of that writing, I completely forgot that Dark Samus was an assist in Smash 4. Fudge.
Even then though, getting boss'd twice in a row felt like finality to a lot of people for Ridley. Dark Samus probably felt a lot more achievable than him at the time, and probably helped her rally enough extra votes to get her where she is now.
Dark Samus isn't as popular as Chrom technically. Chrom's game outsold Dark Samus's games. So he has a bigger group of fans by that alone.
Plus another aspect that affects a tiny group of people like me is that Samus in Smash Ultimate isn't fun to play. Dark Samus has cool animations but her moveset sucks. Rather she had a unique moveset.
I wouldn't doubt if someone told me the top 5 were non-video game characters. I may even believe top 10+.
Honestly Dark Samus comes off to me as a character that probably did well enough on the ballot to be noticed but probably not enough to really be pushed into playable territory, like Black Knight or something.
With a unique moveset, that is. They were able to cut corners and include her as a quick clone of Samus with some new animations and minimal balance changes. It was either that, or just keeping her as an assist trophy.
With a unique moveset, that is. They were able to cut corners and include her as a quick clone of Samus with some new animations and minimal balance changes. It was either that, or just keeping her as an assist trophy.
I can't imagine the reaction to this when it's revealed that Bayonetta only got 10 votes.
there is no possible universe where people aren't mad at the results. Every angle would be covered.
Knowing the actual ballot results would destroy smash communities across the web as a whole. Legitimately I think the current Pokemon controversy would pale in comparison to finding out the actual ballot rankings and how many characters ended up getting passed over.
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