Leaked Smash Ballot Reveals Waluigi Top-Requested Character
Yeah, I know they wouldn't give away who top-requested character was in the headline.
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 3 | Seeking Answers to the Un-Bear-able Quest-ions!
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we get the Ballot results, but it's the raw result; a mess with many repeats and entries with typos and grammar errors; so we'd be a month or so cleaning everything up to really understand the amount of votes each character got.
Like let's even put aside someone like bayonetta let's just look at, like, K Rool. Imagine seeing the results and seeing who was passed over for him, imagine the people he might've outranekd and imagine the ("reliazable") people he didn't. Or seeing what his notable placement actually meant!
I have to know how many people voted for Cat Mario purely because they saw it suggested in the direct.
I bet it wasn't entirely insignificant
You know, i've never checked. Did they use Neko Mario as the example in the Japanese Direct?
I do honestly wonder how well Isaac did in the ballot. He clearly did well enough to get both a much-improved Assist Trophy and model, as well as his Mii costume, and in fan polls generally wasn't too far behind big fan favorite K. Rool.
I don't know if it was here, but I saw someone hypothesize once that Isaac might have had a harder uphill battle due to being from a franchise new to Smash, and would have therefore necessitated a new stages, a full musical work up, and more, whereas K. Rool and Ridley didn't have to considering they came from existing series with a lot of the work already done.
It makes a lot of sense on paper as to why all of that new content being required might have stonewalled Isaac, but that sort of falls apart when you look at Castlevania, which got all of that and more, but also which I wouldn't have pegged as being more popular than Isaac ballot-wise. Makes you think.
I don't know if it was here, but I saw someone hypothesize once that Isaac might have had a harder uphill battle due to being from a franchise new to Smash, and would have therefore necessitated a new stages, a full musical work up, and more, whereas K. Rool and Ridley didn't have to considering they came from existing series with a lot of the work already done.
It makes a lot of sense on paper as to why all of that new content being required might have stonewalled Isaac, but that sort of falls apart when you look at Castlevania, which got all of that and more, but also which I wouldn't have pegged as being more popular than Isaac ballot-wise. Makes you think.
One also has to consider that Castlevania at its prime was (& in many ways, still is) bigger than Golden Sun could ever hope to be, to the point of defining an entire genre. They aren't even in the same league.
Oh it certainly is a bigger franchise, but it definitely wasn't at it's prime during the ballot era, and it wasn't considered a realistic option either due to Snake being AWOL. Yet Sakurai clearly stated in one of his columns that Castlevania was a ballot pick. It'd be interesting to see where the two series ended up in relation to each other, at the very least.
That's a fair point, true. I guess there really wasn't a lot of other characters people would have voted for aside from Isaac for Golden Sun (maybe a few Felix and Matthew diehards), but Castlevania would have had Simon, Dracula, Alucard, and plenty more to pool together.
I tried to check but it seems like the direct is just gone on the japanese side of things?
To be fair, you are really understating things when you say Dixie did better than Dark Samus in polls. Dixie actually charted. And it could be partly because of bias because fans make up rules over which characters are allowed to be considered. But I would just say that's part of the rodeo. The fan ecosystem favored Dixie and that's one reason I think Dixie also did way better.
I think I'm rating Dark Samus appropriately -- less than Dixie. I think Dark Samus and other echoes were rated on a different and more forgiving scale. I think in general, Metroid fans overestimate their #s.
Like I said, Castlevania at its prime was huge, whereas Golden Sun only saw decent amounts of success. Even now, Castlevania is still getting ports & Netflix animated shows. As I said earlier, the two aren't even remotely comparable. If people still voted for Snake despite everything, then you can bet that there were a ton of Castlevania votes.
Huh, yeah, I can't find an upload of it. Even going to an archive of the Japanese page for the Direct didn't bear any fruit.
EDIT: Wait nevermind, I found a reupload (and yes, they used Cat Mario as the example here too):
how weird, i guess Nintendo Japan just starts culling old directs after a while?
i wonder how many angry people are going to flood french nintendo twitter when they upload their next video
I mean, we don't really know how well Dark Samus did in polls, as most of them likely discarded her votes due to her being an AT. I agree, though, that Dark Samus likely didn't chart as well as Dixie did overall. Dixie's definitely the more popular character overall and didn't have AT status holding her back.
It's just such a weird situation though. Dark Samus got to be playable, whereas Dixie just got a Mii hat. Maybe he does consider Dixie above echo status, but at the same time, I find it odd that he'd leave her out of the roster entirely when making her an echo was a viable option considering how little of Diddy's moveset clashes with hers.
Speaking of Castlevania, I wonder what the breakdown actually was in the results. Was it for a generic "Castlevania" rep? Did random Belmonts do well? Or was most of it for Simon? How well did Alucard do? How well did Soma do? How well did Shanoa do?
Simon and Alucard probably performed notably well (esepcially the former), with other characters adding up to a total vote count they couldn't ignore.
I'd bet that Alucard had a bunch, followed by Simon (& Richter?), and then some other CV characters probably did highly in their own right. So as a whole CV was high, with those 1 in particular, and they went with Simon because it's castlevania and you gotta have the vampire killer.
Richter could've been the third (or second, or w/e) but I could see him just generally ranking highly but his moveset and aesthetics leant themselves better to the echo slot than like Trevor or Julius or whoever other belmont
I still find it somewhat strange that Richter is about 3-4 characters above Simon in the game's character select database. Every other base fighter is directly followed by their echo. I guess they figured Richter had the better moveset, so once they got him right, they could apply it to Simon just because he's the og.
considering there was a spot for explaining reasoning behind the pick, I'd imagine the development team would be aware of which characters were "I like this dude, they're cool" and which were "this franchise needs reps"
Choosing just one would be far too hard for me, lol.
And Waluigi would unfortunately win anyway, so it'd be in vain.
I just don't think Sakurai's ever really thought highly of Isaac or GS in general.
Brawl's roster was planned in 2005, only a few years after The Lost Ages, and Isaac only got an assist trophy. Meanwhile, Smash 4's roster was planned in early 2012, only a little over a year since Dark Dawn's release, and he didn't even bother to bring back Isaac's AT. And even with the ballot, he was only able to get the return of his AT and a Mii costume.
People keep talking about timing and relevancy, but honestly I just think it's because Sakurai doesn't think Golden Sun is notable enough in general to warrant a playable character in Smash.
I think the crazy Sonic fanbase would challenge that hard for Shadow.
I can see the top 3 being Waluigi, Shadow, and Zero.
Only if Waluigi is either A. already in or B. barred from the vote.
He'd almost certainly dominate that vote otherwise.
Color-TV Game 15 should get the meme vote, but I fear it'd be split between it, Ghosts, and Flies & Hand
4chan will be of no help because they'll vote for all the cute girls
4chan will be of no help because they'll vote for all the cute girls
Blame? You'd be heralded as a hero if you helped Knuckles make it in.
I'd see it that way at least, because I legitimately want Knuckles.
If this was a real poll, i'm sure they would remove the option to vote for the unrealistic additions that wouldn't work as fighters, like Color TV Game 15, Flies and Hand, Klaptrap and Waluigi.
Chain Chomp and Hammer Bro are still allowed though.
Chain Chomp and Hammer Bro are still allowed though.
Does she need it though? Before the August Direct, weren't people saying that she already had enough merits to make it in?
Well I mean, I guess she would need it for Ultimate, but I saw this hypothetical as a next Smash thing.
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