They can add in a New K. Rool Mode to capitalize on his Smash popularity.
I mean, I think he'd work surprisingly well over DK I'm that game.
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I mean, I think he'd work surprisingly well over DK I'm that game.
This particular style can be referred to as Japan Magic Creative™, as coined by DK Vine
Man its friday already? Where are you, Hero?
They mightve wanted to reference what people remember of the DK franchise, or maybe the young blood there wasnt in EPD when they made Jungle Beat, so its not "their" baby.I think Donkey Kong Jungle Beat had a similar problem with its enemies/characters all being really fucking weird looking
Which I guess makes sense, considering a lot of the same team that worked on Sunshine also worked on Jungle Beat.
You know, it's kind of strange that EAD/EPD doesn't reference JB more considering it's their baby. Odyssey had a whole bunch of references to DK characters in New Donk City and yet they were all shout outs to Rare's characters.
I really hope the next DKC features K Rool. Maybe not as the main villain, but as a secret unlockable character or something. Like he's old and retired in the swamps of DK Island, and after you find him, he comically rips off his old man beard, stands up straight and now you can play as K Rool.
Or go the other direction and retcon DKC:R and DK:TF to have K Rool be the true mastermind behind those two games' villains in his longest con ever.
If Nintendo does another reboot of the DK series with a brand new aesthetic I think people are going to get fed up with Nintendo's creative control on that IP.
DK has such an identity crisis on what its' main look even is. The Returns style was "the" look of the franchise for the past 9 years and influenced how DKC was presented in outside appearances like MK8, Smash 4, and now Super Nintendo World. Then we have Smash Ultimate clearly sticking to the Rare games for the majority of the DKC representation.
Ideally whoever the next developer is on the series will unify the two styles. Take the environments of the Returns series and combine it with the character cast of the Rare series.
DK has such an identity crisis on what its' main look even is. The Returns style was "the" look of the franchise for the past 9 years and influenced how DKC was presented in outside appearances like MK8, Smash 4, and now Super Nintendo World. Then we have Smash Ultimate clearly sticking to the Rare games for the majority of the DKC representation.
Ideally whoever the next developer is on the series will unify the two styles. Take the environments of the Returns series and combine it with the character cast of the Rare series.
Considering what it was originally developed for, we have to include Twilight Princess in this list.
Because holy shit Twilight Princess has some weird stuff.
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Naw. I don't really mind the waiting between the updates since I would able to focus on finish the backlog.
I think I'm almost done with Dragon Quest (again I think). I decided to take a looks at the arts. I was blown away with the fact that DQ1 MC is a blonde! I always thought he had black hairs.
Sometimes, Sakurai/Smash kind of march to the beat of their own drums. See: Kirby
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Please. We all know DK Jr is the true mastermind behind everything. That's why the final levels in both games feature his music!
Ultimate's redesign of Kongo Falls is kinda sorta a marrying of the two styles as it took a level loosely based in Rare's designs from Melee and redesigned the trees to look like they do in Returns.
Kinda?
(interestingly the tree design in Jungle Japes was left alone)
Id take a new DKC with King K. Rool as the villian. Would be a good way to close out the reboot trilogy (if it even is one).
Naw. I don't really mind the waiting between the updates since I would able to focus on finish the backlog.
I think I'm almost done with Dragon Quest (again I think). I decided to take a looks at the arts. I was blown away with the fact that DQ1 MC is a blonde! I always thought he had black hairs.
I'm pretty sure they gave him blonde hair in those arcade games to make him look different from Erdrick when he isn't wearing a helmet. He clearly has black eyebrows in old artwork.
Visually there's something I love about the SNES trilogy visually that not a single DK game since has been able to recapture.
Probably because Kongo Falls is mostly a generic "Donkey Kong Country" stage not really tied to a specific location or game, but Jungle Japes is a DK64 stage, specifically
So the trees more closely resemble the ones found in Donkey Kong 64
I think Jungle Japes in Smash is the closest its managed to get.
I actually really hate pre-rendered graphics
I think the only game it really works well for is Mario RPG.
There's something off putting and dingy about them.
I kind of disagree, I think they should ditch the environments from the Retro games too. They should go full on OG SNES DKC style, trying to recreate the darkness of the original games, but with the dynamism of the Retro games. But the art style should lean hard on the SNES DKCs.
The only thing Jungle Japes really takes from the DK64 stage is Cranky having lab equipment in his house and the name, I always thought it was weird that they named it as such. It always looked to me more like a GCN reimagining of the the sunset jungle design used in Kongo Jungle 64, which was based on a specific stage from the original Donkey Kong Country (which wasn't actually in Kongo Jungle?).Probably because Kongo Falls is mostly a generic "Donkey Kong Country" stage not really tied to a specific location or game, but Jungle Japes is a DK64 stage, specifically
So the trees more closely resemble the ones found in Donkey Kong 64
As much as I like the aesthetic of the newly remodeled Melee DK stages in Ultimate I always thought it was weak that it took until 4 to get a DK stage that actually looked like a place from an actual post Donkey Kong Country game.
Still have no idea what Rumble Falls was supposed to be.
I hope one day we get a game that looks closer to the concept art in TP. I think it still holds up. TP, the game itself, is a little harder to look at. Maybe it was just too hard to translate given the technology at the time. And maybe it's too expensive now.
This seemed like such an obvious alt Erdrick color to go for that I'm surprised it didn't happen.Naw. I don't really mind the waiting between the updates since I would able to focus on finish the backlog.
I think I'm almost done with Dragon Quest (again I think). I decided to take a looks at the arts. I was blown away with the fact that DQ1 MC is a blonde! I always thought he had black hairs.
On the surface, Jungle Japes doesn't seem to relate to DK64 at all, but it does follow the more abstract "this stage is from this game and this location but it's not exactly" style Melee used for a number of its stages.
Rainbow Cruise is only sorta based on Rainbow Ride/Cruise
Pokemon Stadium is a vague interpretation of Pokemon Stadium
Temple isn't really a specific area in Zelda II
Big Blue is very loosely based on Big Blue from F-Zero X
It was a thing with Melee stages. Jungle Japes is clearly loosely based on the same stage from DK64, just with many liberties taken and no specific set pieces from DK64, besides Cranky's Shack, which grounds the stage firmly as a DK64 stage
Temple is meant to be an amalgamation of some of the palaces in Zelda 2. The colour palette suggests it's meant to be Parapa Palace (it's the only palace with grey tiles), but the circular shape of the stage with the cavernous elements might suggest it's also taking from Grand Palace.
It's kind of like how Planet Zebes/Brinstar is an amalgamation of several Metroid locations.
It's kind of like how Planet Zebes/Brinstar is an amalgamation of several Metroid locations.
As technology has improved, I feel like we lost something going from stages that evoke their source material but aren't specific locations in games to more that are "this stage is basically ripped out of the source game" kinds of stages.
I guess it helped that a bunch of stages in Smash 64 and Melee were based on games that weren't in 3D. There was no 3D model of Saffron City, or the Zelda II Temples, or Brinstar Depths, so it was really cool to see some creative flexes and liberties being taken to make them feel like that's how they'd look if the games had been 3D.
I guess it helped that a bunch of stages in Smash 64 and Melee were based on games that weren't in 3D. There was no 3D model of Saffron City, or the Zelda II Temples, or Brinstar Depths, so it was really cool to see some creative flexes and liberties being taken to make them feel like that's how they'd look if the games had been 3D.
Yea I agree. We sort of at least get that with Dracula's castle, and now also memento's to an extent.
They can still do that "loosely based on the location" thing, but theyd have to do it design now, and not by necessity like in the past.
Brawl was like half in half on that front - stuff like Castle Siege, Lylat Cruise, or Luigi's Mansion were more concepts represented than specific areas from a game, but then there's also things like the retro levels, Delfino and Bridge of Eldin which are pretty clear locations.
Smash 4 has taken the certain locations from game X to 11 though lol.
Smash 4 has taken the certain locations from game X to 11 though lol.
Ah Rumble Falls, no stage in smash has quite managed to miss the mark so hard in both representing the game it comes from whilst also being a crap stage filled with nonsense that feels like sloppy seconds of both SSE and stage builder.
Oh and as far as the talk of pacing goes with character reveals, at least it's not Street Fighter V season...4? season Kage? maybe in August we'll finally know!
Oh and as far as the talk of pacing goes with character reveals, at least it's not Street Fighter V season...4? season Kage? maybe in August we'll finally know!
The lore I needed all these years, so much sense being made right now.Daily reminder that the reason that Sunshine's enemies are all wack as fuck looking is because they're all creations of Bowser Jr.'s paintbrush
This game's enemy characters are created by Bowser Jr.'s scribbling. That is why they are weak to water, and differ slightly in design from the rest of the series. Yoshi also vanishes if he falls in water for the same reason.
I honestly assumed they looked odd because they were just tropical subspecies of the enemies seen in the Mushroom Kingdom
Dracula's Castle is a recreation of the throne room where you fight Dracula at the end of Castlevania.
It is but it's generic enough that it could be from any Castlevania.
I'm convinced that Rumble Falls must've been Brawl's equivalent of that weird Melee debug testing stage with the pub background, but then as they were finishing up development they went "oh shit the only new DK stage we have is 75m" and so they threw DK-ish textures on everything.
I feel like New Pork City gets close, though I guess the point is that NPC is supposed to be a chaotic mess that makes no sense and is painful to deal with.
But floating platforms haphazardly strewn about in front of a nice backdrop doesn't really feel like a city to me.
You can almost get away with New Pork by pointing out that it's supposed to be an illusion of a city, but I also wouldn't want to let the level designers off the hook for that mess.
Still at least it's got the floor door and limo I guess.
Still at least it's got the floor door and limo I guess.
At least Smash 4 3DS still had a bunch of vaguely related to the main area stages. Magicant, Arena Fenox, Tortimer Island, Find Mii and Tomodachi life were more abstract than just porting a location 1:1.
Predicting Banjo to be moved to October just to coincide with Halloween since Gruntilda.
What are some stages for characters you'd like to see as DLC?
Scuttle Town
N. Sanity Beach.
The Ark
Deepsea Metro
Scuttle Town
N. Sanity Beach.
The Ark
Deepsea Metro
My two least favorite methods of stage design:
1. Awkardly directly porting over a stage layout from a different game with completely different mechanics and expecting it to work in Smash (75m, Hanenbow, Mushroomy Kingdom)
2. Just making the stage consist of discrete platforms floating in front of where the action should actually be (New Pork City, Smashville, Midgar)
1. Awkardly directly porting over a stage layout from a different game with completely different mechanics and expecting it to work in Smash (75m, Hanenbow, Mushroomy Kingdom)
2. Just making the stage consist of discrete platforms floating in front of where the action should actually be (New Pork City, Smashville, Midgar)
What are some stages for characters you'd like to see as DLC?
Scuttle Town
N. Sanity Beach.
The Ark
Deepsea Metro
What are some stages for characters you'd like to see as DLC?
Scuttle Town
N. Sanity Beach.
The Ark
Deepsea Metro
Not that I've got many notable third party stage wants for potential DLC but...
Anor Londo from Dark Souls
Monte d'Or from Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask
(remember when Layton was a thing? ahh, the good ol' days)
Anor Londo from Dark Souls
Monte d'Or from Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask
(remember when Layton was a thing? ahh, the good ol' days)
No disagreements here, there's something about floating fight area in front of the actual game area that's sooooo underwhelming
Same, especially in the latter case. It's such a banal approach to level design where you stick a few platforms together in front of a pretty backdrop.
I don't know what happened between Melee and Brawl that made the level design be drained of everything organic and just become barren platforms.
I cant think of any good Halo or DMC stages so ill post a Gravity Rush one instead
Jirga Para Lau from Gravity Rush 2
Basically anywhere would work though, Gravity Rush stages make themselves. Maybe the optimal solution would be to make it travelling.
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