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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 4 | Holding Out For A Hero
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I still get giddy when I run into K.Rools online.
My fat crocodile son is back.
clearly remaining first parties are mostly evil and thus prejudice is justified \z
I did end up buying every bit of Smash DLC on Wii U, since I have a bit of... unhealthy obsession with the poor thing. But now I'm not so sure about those character-specific Mii Costumes, since they're not too fun to make Miis for. Maybe I should throw in some zeds for platformer characters and such in case they treat it as a paid poll.
Clearly what we all here want, but how do you "sell" it to the devs and Ninty?
That's a really good nugget of info though, thanks for digging it up.
Still though, doesn't take away from my main point. :P
This stuff was being worked on towards the tail end of development which makes sense, you want to start as "soon" as possible.
Also, hope for Jill lives? lol
What if (and hear me out for a second here) the reason the Geno costume isn't back is because it didn't sell enough to merit the licencing for the costume?
Yup, definitely possible. Sakurai may have overestimated Geno's popularity in Smash For.
That's kind of been my assumption as well. They seem to be slimming down on third party costumes.
Shame, because the K. Rool and Geno costumes were the only ones I bought.
I look forward to the people doing a 180 and talking about how obvious Geno was as an inclusion if he gets in.
I feel like that's a really dumb metric to measure fans by honestly. A lot of people don't buy Mii costumes period even if they are of characters that they are otherwise fans of for a variety of reasons such as not playing Mii's, not supporting cosmetic DLC, or just being downright bothered by their appearance (some of the Smash 4 costumes looked real bad TBH).
Like I would get it to some degree, but I'd argue that would be setting up basically any character to fail...
I don't think Geno will ever get that kind of reaction. You'll get a lot of "well now let's do Goku!" kind of stuff.
Eh, putting out feelers for reception isn't that unheard of. They want to see if Geno really has any kind of appeal as a playable character, or alternatively it was just Sakurai fulfilling a desire to include a character he missed out on in Brawl.
This but unironically.
I've seen this brought up before, but like, they got the license to get that rando staff girl from DQ as a costume. I find it hard to believe they'd pony up for that character of all things but leave known fan-favorite Geno out in the dust. Especially when we saw characters specifically given costumes in the prior game as "consolation prizes". To me, there's two options: either Square Enix blocked the costume from returning (very possible considering how anal they've proven to be), or there's something bigger going on with Geno.
You know, it's also possible Hero was a package deal. Not necessarily having to pay extra to get those Mii Costumes.
I honestly don't think the Geno costume did well. Well, I would say a lot of Mii Costumes didn't do well.
Square Enix had no issue with Geno being in base game as a Spirit (alongside Mallow, making up 1/2 of the Square Enix Spirits in base game) and they seemed to have no issue with the initial Mii costume existing in Smash 4, so I'm not really sure it's Square Enix that would be blocking a Geno Mii costume. I'm sure they'll gladly take money from Nintendo for something so inconsequential... I would think it would be Nintendo that might not be willing to pay if anything (Dragon Quest is a huge deal and was a Fighter Pack, so I suspect they just licensed all the content out in one big deal for that stuff).
The reality is we don't know how easy or difficult Geno is, and if he's even a big enough priority to get a costume this time around or if Nintendo is like, "We gave you Banjo & Kazooie, Ridley, and King K. Rool; get off our backs."
In my defense I only thought Dragon Quest would prove an insurmountable hurdle for the guy who brought together Cloud, Joker, Snake, Banjo-Kazooie, Simon and Richter, Ryu and Ken, Mega Man, Bayonetta, and Sonic the Hedgehog in one game!
I support Geno fans. You can't help but root for characters whose exact facial features are hard to discern from their sprite and official render. And the fanbase. They've held on for so long. Here's hoping you Geno fans have your wish come true.
I'm inclined to think that from a business perspective, investing in a playable Geno as DLC would be seen as largely redundant with Banjo-Kazooie in the game; both basically hit the same demographics of old school Nintendo fans, but once has a much broader appeal and mindshare in the general gaming community. If I'm an executive that has to be convinced to give Square money for this character, I would wonder who we would be reaching out to that wasn't already satisfied with Banjo.
But that's just me as a forum poster roleplaying as a Nintendo employee.
Also those DQ costumes might sell well in Japan!
But that's just me as a forum poster roleplaying as a Nintendo employee.
Also those DQ costumes might sell well in Japan!
So Mii costumes didn't sell well enough to bring back.
Let's add two characters with even less Nintendo presence.
Let's add two characters with even less Nintendo presence.
Even then I could think it's possible that the costume just didn't sell well enough.
Perhaps it'll be with a first party Nintendo character in the pass?
TBH a lot of valid points have been brought up about why Geno wouldn't be in and I think they make a lot of sense. BUT I think it's weird how they were able to include a Geno spirit, but somehow a mini costume was too much effort. Like, I get the legal rights issues, but when you already have Geno in the game in some form, not to mention the fact that you were able to get permission to put his mii costume in a previous game, it seems like, "Geno was just not worth the work to put in" is kind of a weird argument. You could almost literally copy-paste the mii costume in and still make some money off of it.
He replayed SMRPG and now realizes he doesn't like him.
Or Square licensing is expensive and Nintendo is like "nah"
Or the Sonic Costumes did bad cause no one wants to re-buy the same DLC again? I know that was super annoying to me when I saw it in the Joker Direct.
The Knuckles and Tails costumes came back as DLC for Joker.
The idea that Square jacked the price up for the Geno costume makes most sense to me in the event that there's no Geno in the game.
Who is everyone's dark horse candidates for the final two of the Fighter's Pass?
Mine have been Ryu Hayabusa and Lloyd Irving. Koei Tecmo has had so much to do with Nintendo in recent years (Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Fire Emblem Warriors, and 2 more editions of Hyrule Warriors just to name a few), but I still don't feel like Ryu Hayabusa comes up hardly enough for that close of a relationship and being a NES character. And Lloyd always manages to come back around with surprising popularity in certain polls with the only real slights against him being that he's another JRPG Swordsman and maybe that it has been a while since Symphonia was relevant.
Mine have been Ryu Hayabusa and Lloyd Irving. Koei Tecmo has had so much to do with Nintendo in recent years (Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Fire Emblem Warriors, and 2 more editions of Hyrule Warriors just to name a few), but I still don't feel like Ryu Hayabusa comes up hardly enough for that close of a relationship and being a NES character. And Lloyd always manages to come back around with surprising popularity in certain polls with the only real slights against him being that he's another JRPG Swordsman and maybe that it has been a while since Symphonia was relevant.
You know, sometimes...shit happens.
Like, look at Saki, Sakurai specifically said it was because of fan demand that led to his inclusion as an assist trophy in Brawl, and yet for some reason he didn't bother to bring it back for Ultimate, even though they went ahead and made a Mii Gunner outfit for him.
Like, look at Saki, Sakurai specifically said it was because of fan demand that led to his inclusion as an assist trophy in Brawl, and yet for some reason he didn't bother to bring it back for Ultimate, even though they went ahead and made a Mii Gunner outfit for him.
Travis Touchdown is another good one that I always feel like could easily surprise us with how connected Travis has been with the Switch so far. I'd love another Xenoblade character... but I think when they distinctly passed on Rex/Pyra like they did, that ship might have sailed (as sad as that is for Elma too...)
I dunno who my dark horse would be. I feel like all characters viable for smash have been discussed a lot and not discussed enough simultaneously. I'm hoping the next characters are completely out of right field, but I don't know who to expect anyway.
Besides Geno of course. :p
They passed on Rex, no mention of Elma. These are dark horse picks so can we please drop the gatekeeping?
It's a win win dude. Either you win the bet and it's 5 characters or you win by getting more than 5 characters.
If Travis got in, would he still jerk off to charge his sword?
Didn't mean it as a gatekeeping, you're more than welcome to think whatever you want. I was also just giving my input on the matter and I say that as someone who would much prefer Elma over Rex/Pyra. I don't know, it just seemed really odd when Rex/Pyra were arguably one of the hardest deconfirms of a character considering Rex was labeled as the one Mii costume to come with the Fighter's Pass despite XC2's big success around the time DLC was being chosen and that hasn't made me super optimistic about any Xenoblade characters' chances.
To be fair, I could totally see an interpretation of that as better for Elma since they went hard against XC2 and didn't include music from XCX in Ultimate to begin with. I genuinely meant no harm and was just giving my own input.
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